Regarding some Xarc fun yesterday night

[jyakotsu]

I am in no way trying to flame anyone here, just wanted to get something straightened out because of all the mass tells I received last night.

These tells ranged from members in AP, to friends of mine, to japanese dynamis members in Xarc last night, to some members in ragnarok(sp)

My understanding was that a JPN shell and a NA shell(supposedly Ragnarok) were trying to get into dynamis Xarc at the same time last night, the JPN shell got in and accidently traded a glass to someone in ragnarok that was spam trading a member from said JPN shell. After that Ragnarok members entered the JPN shell's run and proceeded to kill shit and lot everything while basically ruining their run. I don't have screenshots because I was not there. However, if this was the case in issue that is extremely fucked up on said shell's part.

If this did not happen please remove this thread, and again this is "through the grapevine" so in no way am I calling anyone out. I just heard it and had friends actually log disgusted by the issue.

These allegations seem a bit more true now however, since Grndpheonix(sp) is making a comment in the support section of this page.

Anyways, have a great day and hope when I get back from work I will be able to see a more detailed thread

 

[endoplatypus]

After that Ragnarok members entered the JPN shell's run and proceeded to kill shit and lot everything while basically ruining their run.

Pretty much correct until this part. Those people from Ragnarok that entered ended up participating in the run just like everyone else, and were allowed to lot a called job if it dropped.

How everything went down as far as planning and entering the runs, and what was said between shells, I dunno.

 

[Tristam Green]

edit: re-opened after a second look.

Why call this a "non-flame" when there is clearly an accusatory nature to the OP

After that Ragnarok members entered the JPN shell's run and proceeded to kill shit and lot everything while basically ruining their run.

that's really kinda unsupported

I don't have screenshots because I was not there. However, if this was the case in issue that is extremely fucked up on said shell's part.

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Oh, okay. You wanted to grab your popcorn, without really saying it.

Anyways, have a great day and hope when I get back from work I will be able to see a more detailed thread

Cute.

 

[twisted]

We could have discussed this in another section of the board but since you decided to place it here lets run with it.

Who the fuck are you to accuse Ragnarok. As you stated you were not there. I'm a member of Ragnarok and I was part of the "incident" last night.

With that being said Ragnarok had dynamis-xarcabard scheduled last night on QCDN.org. When we gathered at the zone there was already 30 members of a Japanese linkshell gathered to enter. A discussion between Grandphnx and their leader resulted in them saying "QCDN.org not official" and they wanted the 2 leaders to random for the zone.

It was put to a vote in linkshell and the majority voted to try and claim the zone. We knew people inside the zone and we knew the exact time that they were scheduled to exit so we figured we had a good shot of claiming the zone. Our efforts were unsuccessful.

We then started asking in linkshell who had dreamlands access and what zone to attempt. When a member said "I GOT A GLASS" (not gonna put his name out here cause I still don't think what he did was wrong) so he promptly traded me and i started making glasses and handing them out.

At this point there was a lot of debate in linkshell about the repercussions of what we were about to do. Now almost all of their members had entered at this point there was less then a party standing outside telling us that they were calling a GM and that we would go to jail if we entered. LOL

So they had looked at QCDN and seen that we had reserved the zone for that night and didn't care why should I care if they fucked up and gave someone not in their LS a glass?

Some members of Ragnarok began to enter at that point until the zone capped out at 64. Needless to say the Japanese were not very happy and proceeded to stand at the beginning and whine about calling a GM. So the 14-15 people of Ragnarok who managed to enter killed the first time extension and started working on the second time extension. When all of a sudden the 50 Japanese show up and we agreed to only lot our #1 lots.

There was 1 wipe I would blame on a member of Ragnarok early when we first started working together. After that there was another partial wipe caused by a Japanese player. But for the most part we worked together very well and cleared a large chunk of the zone.

As far as drops go no member of Ragnarok lotted a single coin and unless gear was called "Liberty" we did not lot outside our #1's. I think 1 person ended up with a SAM head.

Not all members of Ragnarok agreed with what happened and not all participated.

I can only assume the GM showed up and told the Japanese "Hey this is your own fuck up, you deal with it" They knew we had scheduled the zone and they didn't care. We could have lotted everything once we entered the zone but we didn't we worked together and had a decent run.

So in closing FUCK YOU for flaming people when you have no idea what happened.

 

[twisted]

I wish I had taken more but this is the 1 pic I have from last night.

I hope I did this right.

 

[Acutie]

Clearly not the best way to handle the situation. You decided to try to claim the zone and lost so someone in your LS spam trades the JP to hope he fucks up, and when he does make the mistake you go along and take advantage of it? Immature is what it was.

 

[Morcheeba]

I can see the glass being traded as 'pass GO and collect two hundred dollars", but they were right in saying QCDN is not official. In the sense that it's not the be all and end all of Dynamis scheduling.

 

[Morcheeba]

I can see the glass being traded as 'pass GO and collect two hundred dollars", but they were right in saying QCDN is not official. In the sense that it's not the be all and end all of Dynamis scheduling.

Clearly not the best way to handle the situation. You decided to try to claim the zone and lost so someone in your LS spam trades the JP to hope he fucks up, and when he does make the mistake you go along and take advantage of it? Immature is what it was.

You're assuming that's what happened.

 

[Morcheeba]

heh oops >.>

I meant to add

We then started asking in linkshell who had dreamlands access and what zone to attempt. When a member said "I GOT A GLASS" (not gonna put his name out here cause I still don't think what he did was wrong) so he promptly traded me and i started making glasses and handing them out.

 

[Jojojo]

Jyakotsu did a pretty good job making it clear that what he knew was based off hearsay. Let's give him that.

From what I understand this JP LS has done this before, gathering at places where another LS is clearly intending to enter with the intent to steal the zone, and they did it to us. Fuck that shell, hopefully from now on they'll be more respectful or at least be less retarded with the handing out of their glasses.

 

[Tim Wakefield]

I am in no way trying to flame anyone here,

Flameboard

wat?
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[Acutie]

You're assuming that's what happened.

That's just what I got from reading his post.

 

[Mercator]

They are quick to utilize our flameboard, but conveniently ignore the Dynamis Scheduling section. Sure, their members didn't post but crying to Jyakotsu about it is a sure way to indirectly get it out.

 

[Nicholette]

Did anything good drop?

 

[Grandphoenix]

smnx2 rdmx2 100x2 drg dnc whm war seems like about it

Basically sums it up besides the ruining their run part their fisherman kept wiping the entire area on 2nd time extension (really how do 64 people wipe ??)

As for planning they asked if we wanted to /random for the zone I took a /nominate vote in LS as to whether they would like to /random for the zone they said no.

Was to be our 1st Dynamis-Xarcabard as a linkshell after 5 months of members coming and going we were tired of the shit and were going to do the zone. While they were shouting they asked if anyone is going to be in the area to please tell them and we did but that didn't stop them.

After threatning to get us banned and the failed JP Button >> GM command working we got tired of wasting time and started; After agreeing to 1st lot in /seacom only, giving them all money, and exp pages were free lot.

 

[Wakmidget1]

Look at this from the JP's end, how would you have felt if the shoe was on the other foot? Assume they did to you what you just did to them?

You forced your way into their glass. Not much they could do about it once they were in. That right there is disrespectful enough.

You say what you did was ok, b/c you told them, "Well, we're just gonna lot these pieces if they drop, you can have everything else and all coins." Trying to justify your wrong doing.

QCDN Dynamis Scheduling is a convenience among NA players. Most of the time NA/JP schedules don't conflict because of the time zones. But if they do, unfortunately, you pretty much just have to strike a deal with them, or move somewhere else.

 

[Wakmidget1]

A lot of the times the JP/NA dynamis conflicts come down to first come/first serve. It sucks when that happens, but if it does, suck it up and find another zone, or cancel.

 

[jyakotsu]

Who the fuck are you to accuse Ragnarok. As you stated you were not there. I'm a member of Ragnarok and I was part of the "incident" last night.

With that being said Ragnarok had dynamis-xarcabard scheduled last night on QCDN.org. When we gathered at the zone there was already 30 members of a Japanese linkshell gathered to enter. A discussion between Grandphnx and their leader resulted in them saying "QCDN.org not official" and they wanted the 2 leaders to random for the zone.


We then started asking in linkshell who had dreamlands access and what zone to attempt. When a member said "I GOT A GLASS" (going to say you didn't pay for the run, so in all honesty yes it is wrong) so he promptly traded me and i started making glasses and handing them out.

So they had looked at QCDN and seen that we had reserved the zone for that night and didn't care why should I care if they fucked up and gave someone not in their LS a glass? Because I'm sure if someone did the same to you, you'd complain just the same

Some members of Ragnarok began to enter at that point until the zone capped out at 64. Needless to say the Japanese were not very happy and proceeded to stand at the beginning and whine about calling a GM. So the 14-15 people of Ragnarok who managed to enter killed the first time extension and started working on the second time extension. When all of a sudden the 50 Japanese show up and we agreed to only lot our #1 lots.

There was 1 wipe I would blame on a member of Ragnarok early when we first started working together. After that there was another partial wipe caused by a Japanese player. But for the most part we worked together very well and cleared a large chunk of the zone.

As far as drops go no member of Ragnarok lotted a single coin and unless gear was called "Liberty" we did not lot outside our #1's. I think 1 person ended up with a SAM head.

Not all members of Ragnarok agreed with what happened and not all participated.

I can only assume the GM showed up and told the Japanese "Hey this is your own fuck up, you deal with it" They knew we had scheduled the zone and they didn't care. We could have lotted everything once we entered the zone but we didn't we worked together and had a decent run.

So in closing FUCK YOU for flaming people when you have no idea what happened.

Honestly, I dont see where I was all but right except for the tail end of my post. You guys entered a run that wasn't yours, the JPN members were NOT happy that you entered otherwise they wouldn't have bitched. You guys got to enter for free. So fuck me for flaming when I didn't have any idea? I'd like to think I got it pretty close to home. The only difference is they were nice enough to just run with it and make the best out of a situation where they'd lose 500k if they didn't keep going w/ the run.

I can see the glass being traded as 'pass GO and collect two hundred dollars", but they were right in saying QCDN is not official. In the sense that it's not the be all and end all of Dynamis scheduling.

This.

Jyakotsu did a pretty good job making it clear that what he knew was based off hearsay. Let's give him that.

I don't understand what people didn't understand by this. I made it completely off of heresay, albeit from about 15 people but heresay nonetheless. And I don't think this could have gone anywhere else really.

A lot of the times the JP/NA dynamis conflicts come down to first come/first serve. It sucks when that happens, but if it does, suck it up and find another zone, or cancel.

This. Wak said it best. I've had zones stolen before, I didn't spam trade someone trying to get a glass. It is a low blow, and I still think its fucked up, did you all at least pay them 1/2 the glass fee? Probably not, so you all basically got a free run and chance at relic for not even being in their shell. How is that even remotely fair?

Anyways like I said I wanted information rather than anything else. You had some people in your shell log out from disgust, they knew it was wrong twisted... I don't understand why you say "fuck you" to me, its the truth.

 

[Grandphoenix]

Alot of JP shells actually do look I know Pikochi, Asbel, Winslet if not themselves have members who will look at least.

It's not as NA as you think.

 

[smallgod]

This. Wak said it best. I've had zones stolen before, I didn't spam trade someone trying to get a glass. It is a low blow, and I still think its fucked up, did you all at least pay them 1/2 the glass fee? Probably not, so you all basically got a free run and chance at relic for not even being in their shell. How is that even remotely fair?

They didn't get half the coin either, yeah they got a free run but since 99.99999% off all dynamis run being run with 64ish people are going to turn a profit I don't think the JPs did to bad.

And you know what if someone steals a zone from me damn right I am going to try to steal something right back from them. Every version of the story I have heard says GPs shell was there gathered and waiting, the JPs asked if they were there and waiting, and after they told them they were there waiting they still showed up to steal the zone. At that point fuck them, you show me no respect I show you none.

Maybe we don't have a schedule that both NA and JP can access for dynamis but there is still no reason we can't work with each other. They could have let GPs shell know in some way they were planing to do xarc but were going to pick another zone, then next time there was a conflict maybe GPs shell would have moved zones for them.(prolly not cause that GP guy is a huge jerk but w/e the JP prolly don't know that)

This is a video game, if you fuck with people and disrespect them here prepare to face a shit storm in retaliation. The lack of attaching real people and real consequences to any game makes it much easier to pick a fight here then it does in RL.