Relic Weapons just aren't that great...

Uzor said:
I'd say PUP would be up there with 500 too.

And Spharai is good. It might not increase effectiveness of other jobs such as Mandau or Apocalypse do. But MNK and Destroyers i nthemselves are very powerfull, so making Spharai as powerfull as most other weapons, would make MNK and even ebtter DD then they already are.
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It's not good. If Saphari was good, then Guttler, Mjollnir and Claustrum are good, for the exact same reason; they do more damage than the best non-relic weapon out there. Only Saphari aren't nearly as good as those weapons, since the difference isn't as great between relic and non-relic. That makes them not as good as the other relics, which aren't good already(except dagger, GK, shield, horn); so therefore Saphari are some of the "least good" relics out there.
 
Bajaratt said:
It's not good. If Saphari was good, then Guttler, Mjollnir and Claustrum are good, for the exact same reason; they do more damage than the best non-relic weapon out there. Only Saphari aren't nearly as good as those weapons, since the difference isn't as great between relic and non-relic. That makes them not as good as the other relics, which aren't good already(except dagger, GK, shield, horn); so therefore Saphari are some of the "least good" relics out there.
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Guttler is the best axe for BST, and the weaponskill gives a hidden effect of a high increae in intimidation rate. The weaponskill is also as effective as Rampage.


It is BST only, though, sadly

Claustrum is a piece of crap, true.

Mjollnir is about as usefull as the other melee clubs. Its for playing around and playing solo mainly.

Spharai is better then all of those. True, it doesn't enhance MNK as much as Mandau or Apocalypse enhance THF and DRK, but it doesn't have to.
 
The point Baj and others are getting at here is the concept of relative value. An Aegis is incredibly good, because no other shield even comes close. Gjallarhorn has similarly unique effects.

Spharai, Mjollnir, and other similar weapons offer an increase in total damage output over the alternatives, yes, but relatively speaking that increase is either mild (Spharai) or irrelevant (Mjollnir). Ergo, their relative value is poor.
 
Yep, the very unique items are worth spending all that amount of time getting. Others, you don't even bother with... almost why nobody has finished/started Mjolnir (even thou I thinks its great because WHM gets 1 extra MP tick).
 
I never said they are worth the price tag. As a matter of fact, they are deffinently NOT worth their price tag, and I mentioned that earlier. And I know the point Baj is trying to make.

I just said that Spharai in itself is relatively useful compared to other jobs. No, it doesn't give the same boost that Apocalypse give to DRK, but it doesn't have to in order to be usefull due to MNK's nature. Baj (or someone) mentioned that Spharai fails due to Spharai not having 6% critical hit chance increase. But Spharai have something better, a 5% tripple damage hidden effect, which can procc for both fists. Spharai in itself is more useful then a lot of relics, such as Mjollnir and Claustrum that are extremely situational. It doesn't boost MNK as much as Mandau boosts THF, but once again, it doesn't have to.

No, it doesn't come close to Gjallhorn or Aegis, but those are, like you said, unique. It do however hold its own against Mandau, Apocalypse etc. And guess what? they are completely different weapons. Imagine that, different weapons for different jobs giving different boosts, such as the Perdu weapons.

Gjallhorn is utterly useless when looking at casting Minuet, Madrigal etc. since it gives a +2 per song, just like most other instruments do. The only thing it matters for us Ballad really, which is why it shines. The only other reason it shines is because of the +5 sing/wins skill, and the fact that you can finally sell your other instruments.
 
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how bout the bow? tell me thats not one of the best damage weapons out there

*borrowed from BG*

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FFXI has by far the worst achievements in any 360 game. I bought Pacman Championship Edition for shits and giggles last night and got my 200 points for that in about an hour. That's equivalent to 6 lvl 75 jobs and beating Ultima in limbus.
 
Relic Weapons should be game breaking. Why? because they are so hard to get that even after 4 years we barely see one...
 
toqabowl said:
how bout the bow? tell me thats not one of the best damage weapons out there

*borrowed from BG*

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The bow is about as useful as most other weapons. I'm guessing triple damage procced on that Barrage, which indeed is sexy. The gun do the same though ;P And also removes all hate when using the WS. The bows WS is just hate less :P
 
Rappa said:
FFXI has by far the worst achievements in any 360 game. I bought Pacman Championship Edition for shits and giggles last night and got my 200 points for that in about an hour. That's equivalent to 6 lvl 75 jobs and beating Ultima in limbus.
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LOL I get chat invites/messages daily from people asking me how I have 200+ Achievement Points in FFXI. I always start the reply with "Well, I started playing in 2004..."
 
Negorissimo said:
LOL I get chat invites/messages daily from people asking me how I have 200+ Achievement Points in FFXI. I always start the reply with "Well, I started playing in 2004..."
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Hehe. I haven't booted up ffxi on my 360 in a long time, and now that I had to replace my 360 I don't look forward to having to reinstall. Maybe I'll do that after the upcoming update because I have about 200 points in achievements I'm sitting on that I need to claim!
 
Legomyeggo said:
lol, I'm still 10k away from my boots :/
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Wut boots?


Also, what can you get with 360 achievement points? Is it just a bragging rights type thing or can you cash em in for a kewl t-shirt? Never owned a 360 so I have no clue about the aforementioned "achievement points."
 
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I agree that the Relic Weapons (spare one or two) are definitely not worth their pricetags. However, that all comes down to personal goals/achievements when it is certainly something out of the norm (ie. Claustrum, Mjollnir - neither of which I've seen on this server yet). I have seen two Excalibur (C'mon, what 'Knight in Shining Armor' wouldn't LOVE to have the Sword of Swords) and four Aegis. I think they're all worth it in their own right. Again, just comes down to personal preference, goals and achievements.

I r want an Aegis 2 >.>;
 
Acheavment points sounds like the most childish thing 360 could do. and stuped. Perhaps the people assigning points don't even play the games.

How do you compair the dmg between relic and best non-relic?

have to add:
base dmg range from both
damage from WS
damage from light/dark chain (relic dose 1.5x light/drk chain when done on a light/dark chain)
the 5% damage increase from magic bursts. (every consecutive light/dark chain adds 5% magic damage on magic burst).

Add everything in, and relic are somewhat better, if not quite a bit better when you count everything to gether
 
Mariox said:
Acheavment points sounds like the most childish thing 360 could do. and stuped.
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Not really stupid, its done for the people who want to have high score to try and be better than others. That aspect may be dumb, but its done so people will buy more games. Some people do play games just to unlock them.

Also, they can be used to see how far someone is in a game and what they have accomplished.
 
I think the relics are in a way very limiting as they form the figurative ceiling of FFXI weaponry. SE cannot feasibly introduce weapons that match or even exceed them, as this would get many current relic owners all hot and bothered. So yeah, they pretty much stunted end-game weapon development.
 
btw, there's a lot of JP people that stopped coming as that job, or even "forget" their Relics in their MH.

There's a JP player on another server with Aegis that is rarely actually seen with his Aegis anymore. when asked where it is, he say "((Mog House))"
 
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