Reputation System - Please Respond

[Linhjah]

Its not the reputation system that is a problem, its some of the members of this forum. And its those members of the forum, that administrators and moderators need to do something about.

I agree with many, many sentiments expressed in this thread, but this one more than any others. If a member of my linkshell were to grief my other linkshell members, I would remove that individual from the shell. Rules should not be created or modified to accomodate problem children.

The way I see it, the whole reason we're discussing this is because the site moderation staff is looking for the best way to protect members. I don't think that removing the rep system is the ideal solution; there are plenty of other avenues those aforementioned problem children can utilize to grief members. The best solution IMO is to use a progressive discipline process ultimately leading to the removal of repeat offenders. This is a process we already have in place - lets make more use of it.

I understand it is completely impossible for mods to see everything that goes on. You guys (and gals) deserve to have lives outside of QCDN. It is our responsibility as users to call your attention to problem posts, PMs, VMs, and rate ups/downs. If you don't know its a problem, how can you be expected to fix it? We have a reporting system already in place - lets make more use of it.

 

[Shyrra]

While I agree having a large reputation doesn't mean quite as much, but the people who have red dots are not people who have just pissed one person off, or a few, but pretty much the entire community, and are deserving of the red dot.

 

[pakomen]

I.... don't really care. From what I am hearing, the main problem is that people don't want rep comments to be public. I think that's a very valid issue.

I don't use a rep system on my forum, but I do think that the one on qcdn is a lot of fun. I always get a laugh out of the comments people send me here (Sabs made my day with one word). Somehow less formal than a PM too. Just puts a smile on my face.

Gross, I'm below Shyrra.

 

[Makelith]

I am on the either remove it or moderate it wagon. Its another part of the forum, and if we honestly need an AH and CC mod, then we *really* need a mod to deal only the reputation systems. In the end it still means nothing.

Red dots don't inform you of anything and if they really do, then you need to brush up on your investigating skills. Most people that have red dots, everyone already knows what they do and how they do it. I don't need to see that Pchan has 3 red dots to know that i don't agree in the slightest with what he says. I don't need to see a red dot on Hellstorm to know that he has a hard time typing out his thoughts coherently, and if you can operate the internet you shouldn't either.

On the same tangent, blue dots mean just as little, but for some reason invoke awe? I can't count the number of times i've seen people go completely against values they have posted about before only to quote Rappa and say, "lawl R8^ dood!!!". Weather it is because they want a rate up from overlord rappa or if they think they will be the next qcdn meme if they agree enough.

As of now, it has been fairly proven that the reputation system can't be moderated so it should be removed until that problem can be solved. The ignore feature has seemed to solve the biggest problem of the attacks through comments, but we will have to see how it plays out in the end.

Also, if it is *just* an internet forum and *just* a reputation system, why not get rid of it? After all, its just an internet forum and just a reputation, right? Wrong, and we all know it. This isn't just an internet forum for a lot of the members here. Its been a place to communicate with others for several years.

 

[Skaw]

I don't really care, but if theres no reprimanding for those with awful rep, why have a negative aspect in the first place? The more reds you accumulate should be a flag for mods to watch your activity specifically. But it obviously hasn't been that way.

Plus with the introduction and that thread specifically made for artificial rep inflation diminished green bars. And the high probability of friends rating up friends for the sake of rating up eachother. I can safely say I did neither, as I barely tolerate most of you as is.


So the whole system was pretty skewed and pointless from the get-go.

 

[Makelith]

So the whole system was pretty skewed and pointless from the get-go.

This, however, is something i can't agree with more.

 

[hellstorm]

Again keep the system but if so have it be modded and each rate up/down be worth 1 and not have a scaled system.

 

[Myrrh]

How does one find a post bad enough to be rated down? Is it the preference of the one receiving the rate down or the one giving it. Since a rate down/up is purely subjective then anything anyone says doesn't deserve a rate down.

I may have forgotten what posts of yours I rated down but I hardly rate down for shits and giggles. Since anyone got claim foul play against any rate your entire argument of not deserving rate downs is useless.

If someone rated me down for this post I could bitch and moan saying it's bullshit till it gets removed because I personally don't agree I deserved it. Stop caring so much about a fucking red dot. Use the ignore function and get on with your life.


Edit: I'm referring to normal posts, not the racist ones or something similar.

 

[Darkdante]

Using a popularity contest to remove a popularity contest?

Why bother?

You already know the answer. If the popular thing is always the right thing then why even ask the question when it's plainly obvious what the majority wants?

 

[Diabllos]

I vote it should go. People end up posting just for rep, and arguments start when rate downs are given. I'm sure it was a good concept to begin with, but people abuse it.

 

[Arezael]

The above post signifies everything that needs to be said regarding the rep system.

Despite explicit instructions in the original post, some people will still disregard the rules and do whatever the fuck they want.

 

[Pasquale]

I'm torn. I love reading about how great I am, but everyone seems so anti-negative ratedowns.

I voted to keep them, only because if someone is gonna talk shit about you in a ratedown only you will see, they are a douche and you shouldn't waste your time thinking about it.

I mean, Exc rated me down once because I said I loved Britney Spears, and I barely cried at all.

 

[Stine]

I'd be fine with or without it. Not really a big deal. If people didn't abuse it, it would be fine. It might seem like a popularity contest but usually the people who post good information or people respect get rated up for their posts. Like anything there are always some people who ruin stuff for everyone. Most people know who is well respected whether there is a rep system or not. People will post their comments on everything whether or not they can get rep for it.

 

[Romper]

If you take away the rep system you're giving into Hellstorm again who still used the system even after he was given what he wanted. If you take away the rep system are you going to give back what other people want and ban Hellstorm?

More than likely more and more people will start flamebaiting Hellstorm outside of ratedowns which leads to more moderation that will be needed as more and more people lose their way to vent at Hellstorm.

Although I do see a reasoning as to why taking away the rep system would be beneficial as it takes away Jyakotsu's main vent point which could lead to Jyakotsu leaving the forums. However, Jyakotsu could also go another route and just start necroing threads at random to harass people, or even start harassing people in current threads in or out of the flameboards.

I think I'm done.

 

[Morwen]

No.

I do not believe the reputation system should be suspended because it does do the boards a service. The people who have red dots have them for a reason. Their attitudes can speak for themselves. Either far too abbrasive to take advice or speak normally to or too slow to pick up on the fact that beating a dead horse is not what the general populace wants to hear from you. Some of the people that have red dots even encourage others to rate them down, bringing this 'reputation burden' upon themselves.

In any community there are ways to identify the unreliable. As we are not a pack of wolves, we cannot see the omega trailing behind the rest of the pack. Look at every Red Dotter we have. There are reasons we have them at that status. Not just because 'Whaaaa, the popular kids dont like me', but because what you put out in public of your own personality is not what people want to see/hear/read. I'm not going to sit here and say 'Yeah, no one ever abuses the reputation system' because shit, look at some of the people with top reputation. You know there are rate up circles and on the opposite side of th spectrum, there are rate down circles. The reputation system, in my mind, is a lot better than hundreds of trash posts going 'Zomg you're so right' or 'fuck you, you're a moron' in every single forum on the boards. Think about it, without the reputation system there could be flamebaiting in every single forum on this site.

Keep it in place and let the people who earned their red dots either work to fixing it or get used to the fact that they've put themselves in a bed they made.

 

[Kotsu]

If there was a "I don't give a shit" option, I would pick that.

I use QCDN for information and jokes. Additionally, about 90% of my posts are complete crap and worthless anyway. Look at my rep for being one of the most worthless posters on these boards lol So let's be honest with ourselves now... Why care? It's not going to change my opinion and desire to come to these boards by having the system or not having it.

 

[Lucki]

This:

Most of the people who voted No already covered my points, so I'll just say: No.

but more importantly, this:

I don't think the reputation system needs to be removed.

Its not the reputation system that is a problem, its some of the members of this forum. And its those members of the forum, that administrators and moderators need to do something about.

 

[Myrid]

I never liked the rep system. I'd rather decide if I like a person by their actual actions than by looking at how big their epeen bar is.

Then again, all I do here is lurk. ;p

 

[Urywury]

I don't post much, so I don't care all that much about the rating system. I'd say that if it can be properly moderated, that'd be fine. The problem is when some of the mobs themselves abuse the system.

 

[Miros]

Let this be a reminder. Don't quote someone's post unless you agree with them.