Requiem for a Flameboard

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If you keep going with the pere business you're going to piss sculli off and he's going to say for the tenth time that this isn't about pere versus qcdn. Now yay for all the attention, but seriously. Trying to justify flaming on a board that no longer allows flaming has no ground. None. You want to pound at me trying to convince admin I'm trolling, go ahead. You can't ban flames without banning trolls. Just better be darn sure you're not doing both more than I am. I've quit flaming. Trolling is subjective, and usually boards define it as "solely" intending to offend or annoy. Usually all my posts have content, so solely is rough. Now the one-liners with no content...good luck on keeping that style of post. The less you type the more you troll, but a flame is a flame is a flame no matter what you say before or after it.
 
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Prothall said:
I think bajaratt said it best where it's like a flameboard, but without the meaningless crap in there. What weight do responses like "yeah that really sucks it happened to you" and "You suck balls" actually carry? Those are the type of posts being removed to clean it up a bit.
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Actually, I meant it in a negative connotation. I agree that those kinds of posts ARE pointless, but they could have just stepped up the moderation on the flameboards and accomplished the same thing. The new rules practically stop any kind of dissention, because you could make the case of people are flaming you for saying you're wrong.
 
More like he likes to make his presence felt. Peregrine has a nack for getting on people's nerves. It's sad that he acts as if he is pioneering some good cause while his thread count is pretty high in the FBs. If he felt it was such a negative thing, why did he feel the need to contribute so much to it in the first place? Moreoever why does anyone posting here like the FB was a terrible thing have such high FB post counts say such things? You contributed as much as anyone else to the forum and yet you think it should be locked? Why? It doesn't make any sense to me at all that you can say something is so terrible now, but you made full use of it when it was there. It was used as it was supposed to be used. It did what it was supposed to do and probably more.

I cannot argue that the FB affecting other areas of the boards, but fix that problem and don't remove the FB. Make it clear that any flames outside of the FB will not be tolerated. In the past, the forums were moderated, but it was a weak attempt. Vang made some flame attempt (I think it was in Pere's AH thread if I am not mistaken) and got read only access. He came crawling back and you let him back. He was warned multiple times. Finally, he gets banned after fair warning only to reinstate him not long after. Now, you want to blame the spreading of this mentality on everyone? Maybe if rules had actually been enforced instead of slapping people on the wrist and hoping they would stop when they clearly didn't, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
I can't come up with an explanation of two short sentences as to why I used the flameboard extensively but hate it. I say two sentences, because I've been saying why in a thousand words and it's just confusing everyone.

Here is my last shot at explaining this. The flameboard has always been a joke to me, worth nothing more than making a mockery of. I would like nothing more than to see the flamer's mentality dead. If that means catalyzing the board's descent and hastening the day when admin realizes the whole board is a mistake, I'll do it. I did it. I am not afraid of hypocrisy. I hate irony. I love hypocrisy. And that's what makes so many people utterly furious.

I flamed to make the FB look like it really is. Nothing.

By the way, that quote is and always was a photoshop made by someone I got too far under their skin. You can't honestly believe I would apologize. Mishaela is about the only person I ever gave an apology to, and even then I rather screwed it up.
 
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Sculli said:
Not from where I am looking.
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Who the hell knows where your looking from now.
 
Peregrine said:
I can't come up with an explanation of two short sentences as to why I used the flameboard extensively but hate it. I say two sentences, because I've been saying why in a thousand words and it's just confusing everyone.

Here is my last shot at explaining this. The flameboard has always been a joke to me, worth nothing more than making a mockery of. I would like nothing more than to see the flamer's mentality dead. If that means catalyzing the board's descent and hastening the day when admin realizes the whole board is a mistake, I'll do it. I did it. I am not afraid of hypocrisy. I hate irony. I love hypocrisy. And that's what makes so many people utterly furious.

I flamed to make the FB look like it really is. Nothing.

By the way, that quote is and always was a photoshop made by someone I got too far under their skin. You can't honestly believe I would apologize. Mishaela is about the only person I ever gave an apology to, and even then I rather screwed it up.
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I'm gonna mock the grocery store by buying groceries. Suckers! Little do they know, I'm making fun of them by using the store for its intended purpose...
 
Allow me to clarify, the "you" in my previous post was a generic pronoun. It wasn't intended to single out any one person.

As for the rest, actually yes, I read the very first thread in which Pere got flamed, and watched the same people flame him just about any other time he said something they disagreed with on just about any other forum on the board. Did he use those people to destroy threads? Yes, and I'll admit it amused me to some extent watching the whole drama play out. But that too is behaviour that's going to have to stop.
 
If you think I used the FB for its intended purpose...sheesh. We all just need to stop posting if that's the case. It would always start out as intended, then it would slide slide slide.

That was NOT the intended purpose of the FB...to collect 20 antifanboys who know my name and wear my label in their sigs and titles and quotes, and barroom brawl with them at will in any given topic at the drop of a pin. I own the record for highest-hit thread and highest-post thread in the history of this forum. I mean I can't have abused the FB any more without taking it out back and whipping it with a crowbar. But it wanted to be abused so darn badly.

Yes, that behavior has to stop. Did stop. Can't derail or admin will boot me, and I'm friggin close here as it is. Can't flame or it's the same. And I'm no troll. Don't have the energy to keep that kind of post style up, even if all the flamers should turn to trolls. Solely intending to offend or annoy will never be me.
 
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I see people saying they have nowhere to vent about stuff. Well- stuff like how annoying so and so is in game is a post nobody really cares to read. As for venting a bout gas prices and religion and such, i don't see why you couldnt do that on the Reality Sinks In board. I mean as far as the religious discussions go- you just have act civil to each other since it isnt a FB thread.
 
The FB was anything goes. You are supposed to mock others and let out your own problems/agressions. A year and you still can't grasp a simple concept. Mocking the FB is like trying put out a fire with firewood. You're using the wood for it's intended purpose, but still failing at your own intentions.
 
Darklion said:
Who the hell knows where your looking from now.
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I do, and I believe that between my previous posts and the QCDN Community Standards I made it as clear as humanly possible that personal insults are no longer tolerated. Those in violation will be removed, end of story.

To the Peregrine Fanclub:
Look at your posts. Look through the threads were Pere posted. You are following him around, don't you notice? For someone you don't like you surely spend a whole lot of effort to keep up a conversation with him. Why? I don't know. If I would want someone out of my life I would ignore them. You keep thanking each other for your Pere-post-responses, which I suppose is what the thank-you feature is for, perhaps I am just sparse with thank-you ratings, as you don't see me running around giving a thumbs up to everyone who agrees with my opinion.

I look at the thank-you feature as a thanks for a contribution to QCDN (such as the WP thread), not as a thank-you for agreeing with me. But you are of course free to use it as you please.

It was not Pere who turned this thread into a some-QCDN-folks vs. Pere.
Everyone would be best served if they would consider the actual issue, and drop their fascination with a single user.

I am sure a good amount of my 2k+ posts were made on the FB, and most of them likely not in admin capacity as the FB was really barely moderated. Just because I used to love the FB doesn't mean that I still do. Just because someone else was active on the FB doesn't mean that there is no other way for them to post. This thread has turned into a "you will flame"
"no I won't"
"yes you will, it's in your nature"
"no really, I won't"
"you totally will you little @^#%&@"
"I am telling you, I won't"
"NO you will, it's just a matter of time, you will, YOU WILL"
"nope"
"YES YOU WILL!!!"
etc etc pp

It's getting old.
Discuss the QCDN issue if you like, but not even the Psychic Friends Network can predict the way a user will or will not behave. I see no shame in someone changing his or her mind about the way he or she conducted him- or herself on the board. It's those who are unable to change who are doomed.
 
Sculli said:
What does that post have to do with anything in here?
Copyrighted file request has always resulted in the possibility of a ban. The very first rules QCDN had stated "- posts encouraging piracy, directly or indirectly, will not be tolerated", those rules were from Apr 3, 2004.
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Never enforced it much then till now?
 
Dark...dude. What are you doing? No forum tolerates warez and illegals. QCDN has never remotely been a crackhouse.
 
Peregrine said:
Dark...dude. What are you doing? No site tolerates warez and illegals.
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I can post 5 things on this Forum off the bat that can go under that category that never got thouched
 
I can point you to a thousand flames outside the flameboard. I think the 5 can be forgiven, we're not all playing free Doom3 here. Trying to keep it on topic, but that's pushing it. Flames, flameboard, etc.
 
Lavi said:
In the past, the forums were moderated, but it was a weak attempt. Vang made some flame attempt (I think it was in Pere's AH thread if I am not mistaken) and got read only access. He came crawling back and you let him back. He was warned multiple times. Finally, he gets banned after fair warning only to reinstate him not long after. Now, you want to blame the spreading of this mentality on everyone? Maybe if rules had actually been enforced instead of slapping people on the wrist and hoping they would stop when they clearly didn't, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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How bout actually responding to this. I mean instead of enforcing policies, you slapped people on the wrists and made it clear you didn't care posting flames outside FB. You handed out warnings and rarely banned anyone. Why do you think Police hand out speeding tickets instead of warnings? Do you think if the Police only handed out warnings to me, I'd stop speeding? Damn straight I wouldn't. Your own actions lead to the FB overshadowing the forums and instead of actually enforcing rules, you blame the "problem" on the FB, take away the FB the main draw of QCDN and enforce the standard everywhere. Which with the past history of QCDN, the enforcement will probably be the same. I start a flame, I get read only access (my slap on the wrist) and I can come back with a simple, "I'm sorry". A week later, I can repeat the same thing and not have to worry.
 
Darklion said:
I can post 5 things on this Forum off the bat that can go under that category that never got thouched
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Flaming didn't used to be a problem either, things change.
QCDN averages 1,000 new posts every day (pre-FB shutdown), and there were 13 mods and I. Most mods oversaw one of two forums. There was simply no way that few people could possibly look through every single post that was made.

The mod team has changed some, and the goal is to have 3-4 mods per forum to facilitate Community Standard enforcement.

There is also Report Post button. Feel free to report posts that deal with copyright violations and the mods and I will take care of it.
 
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