Firestreak said:
C) When I say that I have evidence, I have evidence. Was Arcien, not Jolin though and I've already posted it.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/Rednibia2/fafnirbs1.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/Rednibia2/fafnirbs2.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/Rednibia2/fafnirbs3.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/Rednibia2/fafnirbs4.jpg
Which it isn't my point that he's obviously guilty. Certainly seems that way to me, but my point is that the same group of people who declare that because of an MSN conversation with a person nicknamed Chrono we can conclude that Chronicles is a botter - will turn around and say those screenshots somehow don't prove anything.
And it isn't my point that I'm pissed off that in the process I got MPKed as well, cause I'm over that. The point is only that it's something declared 'wrong.'
Sorry if you as well misinterprete posting these as another attack. Rather, it's you calling me a liar and me showing that I'm not.
These screenshots... they're hardly any evidence. Fygla blaming a Kaizen member for getting MPKed means absolute shit. It's exactly what I would have expected JDA to do at that time. In fact, and I'm sure that I've pointed this out in the other thread orginally concerning this matter, but I really felt they probably MPKed themselves to blame us for it, though who knows... maybe it was yet another LS!!!!
As courtney pointed out, several people had access to that character. No, not several Kaizen people. Now, I didn't know Halflife at all, nor was I aware that anyone in our LS had access to that account. What I did know was that that several people did in fact have access to that character. From what I knew at that time, that even included people who were currently in JDA.
now for a history lesson...
I don't really care to go back and read all the pointless drivel throughout this thread, but someone had mentioned being one of the first groups to go up against the "evil JP." If by "evil JP", you mean linkshells such as JDA or HNMPT or Genesis Union, then I should point out that Kaizen was pretty much founded by NA players who were sick and tired of being treated unfairly in such LSs (players such as Nasya). As the first NA HNM LS on our server, our goal was to recruit skilled players approaching level 75 who wanted a chance at the gear and the gil that could only be earned through camping HNMs, without having to put up with the discrimination and favoritism present in the predominantly JP endgame LSs of that time. Nasya wanted us all to have the same chance as all the other LSs without having to be treated differently for not knowing Japanese. If you were around about 2 and a half to 3 years ago, you'll know that this was a big issue for NA players seeking endgame shells at that time.
Not all JP LSs were "evil." When Kaizen came around and first started camping HNMs, some Japanese LSs literally welcomed us to camps and went out of their way to tell us that they were happy to finally see an English-speaking LS at an HNM camp, and that they welcomed the competition. From this point on, we had expected only healthy competition. But It still took us months to even attempt camping fafnir.
The three biggest JP LSs back at that time considered each other allies. They would rotate camps, between Nidhogg, Aspidochelone, and King Behemoth. They would also borrow members as needed for each camp. I only recall one other LS, also JP, that countered this triple-LS alliance at all. The week we first tried to camp Fafnir, there really wasn't much competition for it. Countering the "evil JP" that first time around did not last long though. At that time we only really perceived one JP LS to be assholes, and it wasn't the JDA alliance. After a few camps that week, we were asked to join the JP alliance, as allies instead of countercamping them. For a short while we did just that, because it was how the King HNMs were treated back then. We camped Fafnir alongside JDA, and fought with them for weeks. Yes... I'm ashamed to admit this now. But as I said, it seemed like the right thing to do at that time, being that the only shells present at those camps during most of the week, were the ones who were a part of this alliance. After a while we also noticed that a new NA LS (OH), was now also starting to camp Fafnir.
After a few weeks of this arrangement, we felt really weren't being treated by the alliance as they had agreed at all. They would also constantly change the rules for us to conitnue as a part of that alliance as they saw fit. Anyway, we came to the conclusion (or at least I did!) that JDA, or at least their officers were racist pigs and also had no sense of fairness that did not solely benefit them. So the alliance between us was broken and we set out to do stuff on our own. We had to endure plenty of taunting and harassment on the part of JDA towards us; the usual "NA TOO WEAK!" nonsense of that time. JDA said we'd not be able to kill Fafnir on our own. For a short while we did not come back to Fafnir though, instead we we tried for Tiamat, which only JDA had killed. It was a quite a task and took us several tries back then, we really did not have the manpower or tools available to JDA, or LS on other servers. Kisada pretty much came up with a new strategy for killing it which made it much easier for us to do so with what we had. As opposed having everyone crowd around Tiamat as if it were Fafnir, PLD tank it with Aerial Armor, and rely on Chainspell Stun and two hours to kill it, which is what all LSs across all servers did at that time. Once we were comfortable with this strategy we pretty much monopolized Tiamat, since we could kill it before JDA ever even got wind of it being up, and we returned to Dragon's Aery and showed them we were perfectly capable of fighting wyrms on our own, despite their taunting. I personally feel that this is the source of bitterness that people such as Fygla had for us, and they made it clear.
Back at Dragon's Aery, the other JP shell camping fafnir was Genesis Union, who were also notorious MPKers. sometime after we had just returned to DA, JDA got MPKed by GU on nidhogg. All LSs present were completely wiped, except for us because we still had not dropped into the pit. Needless to say, we killed Nidhogg, to the discontent of all the other LSs involved. JDA MPKed us several times when we had Nidhogg. Back then there was no "/blockaid", mobs bound nearby attacked whomever was closest regardless of them not being in the party that held it claimed, and mobs did not despawn when aggro was lost. JDA took advantage of all of these things several times. They would bind spiders and the Malboro mob on us during Nidhogg fights. They would train spiders from both ends of pit and let them aggro us on the way back, they would cure us the entire fight and invincible towards the end and try to kite Nidhogg to cause spike flail. They did whatever shit they could and played as dirty as possible. Eventually we learned to deal with it better, and we managed to kill the HNM while having to deal with whatever shit they dealt us.
Sometime after all of these things is when the whole Halflife thing happened. Now I know I fail at keeping my stories concise, but my point to all of the above is that this explains why Fygla's word means shit. I don't know that other members of my LS feel the same. But I feel that JDA hated us because their leaders were racist asses, and we were the first NA LS to give them a run for their money. JDA would naturally blame us first because they hated the competition we gave them and because they were dishonest foul-playing bags of scum.
As for Prophecy reporting us, saying "only kaizen survived!" as if that was in anyway incriminating, I have a much shorter comment to make on that:
From what I remember Prophecy was a dumbass. So, forgive me if you worshipped him or anything, but that's my perception of him. Surviving an MPK when you're not the one being MPKed isn't that difficult really... I mean... if you know anything about spike flail.. you'd know that.. well.. it hurts! So we got the fuck out when we saw Fafnir going crazy, it doesn't really take much brains to run the hell away or escape, sorry if prophecy didn't think of that though. At this time Fafnir's spike flail still hit outside of alliance, though that has been adjusted since then (note: Nidhogg's spike flail still hits anyone in area as it was never changed!).
Either way, we had no reason to MPK JDA over Fafnir. I would think that if any of my LS mates had chosen this course, that they would have more sense than going through the trouble of MPKing JDA over a stupid fafnir. JDA never MPKed us over Fafnir, they only MPKed us over Nidhoggs. MPKing for Fafnir would have been really dumb since it wouldn't have made us at all even or avenged.
The last thing I'd like to point out regarding those screenshots is that the GM says he knows all of Halflife's characters, which means absolutely shit. To me all it means is that the GM is knows all of the characters in the same account as Halflife's, and Arcien is obviously a seperate account. It's not even a suitable response to prophecy's accusation.
Either way, Fygla's and Prophecy's words are meaningless. What I think you're trying to say though, is that the GM is validating Prophecy, who said, "halflife=arcien." That isn't logical though. There's no way you can honestly say that that's proof, not only because it doesn't make much sense as a response to what prophecy said, but because it came quite a while after. You can see therere's plenty of lines of text between those two lines exchanged between Prophecy and the GM. In fact, there's even more lines you don't even see.
Look at the screenshots of the GM conversation and notice how the last lines of the first screenie, and the first lines of the second don't seem to follow. You can clearly see that there's something missing from the chatlog, because the actions you see don't match. There's obviously stuff in between. Otherwise just look at the slider on the scrollbar of the chat log. Notice how you can put the scroll bars side by side from each of the two screenshots, and they don't follow either, in the way that the second and third screenshots do. There's a block missing between the two screenshots. This also means that there's a gap of text missing from the chatlog. It looks like a full page of text that has been neglected. I wonder if that was done on purpose in order to deceive gullible readers. As I said though, I don't even see how that's relevant because to me it's the GM's line isn't a response to prophecy's accusation anyway.
Either way, I don't know why I bother wasting my time reading, or even worse, writing this long-ass reply. I can't say I have a positive image of active posters of such forums. The reason being, I know there's no sense that can be talked into such people and anything and everything that is said, will always be mangled and turned around to further fuel such flames. It's kind of sad that now even I find myself giving you the time of the day. I mean... why bother arguing with people whose opinions are inconsequential anyhow?
Even if opinions of posters like you mattered, If one doesn't post a reply to accusations made against him, you can just say a response wasn't made because the accused is obviously so guilty he can't talk his way out of it. If that person does make a response you'll just say he immediately lashed out to say something because it "hit a nerve," as any competent troll would do.
I seriously doubt that people actually believe half the dumb shit they post themselves. Maybe I'm being naive for believing that no one can possibly be such an idiot, but I really think people just make things up as they go along because they have way too much free time; that reading and making up such ramble and provoking such squabble is all they have to entertain them.
Either way, to my fellow LS members: forgive me for speaking so freely on an open forum where words are more than just likely to be twisted by numbskulls. I'll try to refrain from doing so in the future. I do hope readers will note I have pointed out that these are my feelings alone and I speak for noone else.
