Store TP vs. Haste

Knightblade

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I found when I used to play, alot of people used to really suck at their priorities. Store TP can be better than haste. A 7 hit build with some extra haste isn't as good as a 6 hit build with no haste.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Samurai:_Ultimate_Guide_by_Gregedor#Store_TP

To achieve a 6 hit build (which is basically the TP from your weapon skill + 5 more hits to reach 100 tp, or 6 hits starting from 0 tp), you need 45 store tp, including the store TP from your traits. Once you have 45 store tp, you can then focus on haste gear.
 
Would be a good idea how to explain how to reach this 45 store TP and what gear would be most viable to utilize this aspect. To start things off =P

This is keeping in mind that you're using Hagun too.
 
24 store TP comes from just being a SAM 75, so you only need another +21 in gear. 10 you can get from merits, so now you're down to +11 in gear.

Usual gear options to get that last +11 Store TP:
Raja's Ring (+5)
Brutal Earring(+1)/Chivalrous Chain (+1)
Usukane Feet(+7)/Hachiman Feet(+5)

The other slots with Store TP require you to sacrifice something more important; for less benefit. Usukane feet are obviously the best option for feet, but they're not easy to get.
 
Putting 5/5 merits into STP means you only need 5 more with a 450 GK.

Can be achieved by using one piece of hachiman (hands preferably, or feet), askar korazin (situationally nice, otherwise not so good) or ideally Usukane Sune-ate, which not only give you the right STP but the Haste too, meaning you can use full haste build with 6-hit.

Aiming for a 5-hit build with GK just isn't worth it.
 
Knightblade said:
I found when I used to play, alot of people used to really suck at their priorities. Store TP can be better than haste. A 7 hit build with some extra haste isn't as good as a 6 hit build with no haste.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Samurai:_Ultimate_Guide_by_Gregedor#Store_TP

To achieve a 6 hit build (which is basically the TP from your weapon skill + 5 more hits to reach 100 tp, or 6 hits starting from 0 tp), you need 45 store tp, including the store TP from your traits. Once you have 45 store tp, you can then focus on haste gear.
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This is not correct. I have already posted elsewhere on this forum exactly how to calculate Store TP and why. With a 450 delay GKT, 45 Store TP is not enough. It has to be 46 or higher.

If you don't reach that number then you have a 7 hit build or lesser, again assuming the delay you are basing the calculation on is 450.
 
Diabllos said:
Putting 5/5 merits into STP means you only need 5 more with a 450 GK.

Can be achieved by using one piece of hachiman (hands preferably, or feet), askar korazin (situationally nice, otherwise not so good) or ideally Usukane Sune-ate, which not only give you the right STP but the Haste too, meaning you can use full haste build with 6-hit.

Aiming for a 5-hit build with GK just isn't worth it.
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Baja's right, you need 11, but i guess you're assuming they're using Rajas/Brutal, should still mention it though so people don't get confused :P.
 
Diabllos said:
Putting 5/5 merits into STP means you only need 5 more with a 450 GK.

Can be achieved by using one piece of hachiman (hands preferably, or feet), askar korazin (situationally nice, otherwise not so good) or ideally Usukane Sune-ate, which not only give you the right STP but the Haste too, meaning you can use full haste build with 6-hit.

Aiming for a 5-hit build with GK just isn't worth it.
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With 5 Store TP merits, you need +11 Store TP to have a 6-hit build with a 450 delay GK.
 
i thought trait gave +25. But anyway there is also askar corrazzin and usukane haramaki.
 
mdkuser said:
i thought trait gave +25. But anyway there is also askar corrazzin and usukane haramaki.
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Askar body is generally not good to be part of your main 6 hit build since you would be giving up a good amount of accuracy and Usu body, for the average player, is more than likely out of reach.
 
I wouldn't wear Usukane body for meleeing anyways, Hauby + usukane feet, which are a much easier to obtain item, is a much better combinaiton.
 
Only way I could see myself wearing the body would be if I had the full set so I'll be sticking with my Hauby+1 and Usu feet combo.
 
will only need 4/5 store TP if you using brutal earring and hachiman hand, unless you have other weapons like polearm for 5 hit build
 
Bajaratt said:
With 5 Store TP merits, you need +11 Store TP to have a 6-hit build with a 450 delay GK.
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Assuming they're using Rajas/Brutal, sorry about that.
 
Usu body is 12 acc 8 dex (= +18 acc) and 8 STR. It's superior to any other body. Body + feet allow you to get rid of rajas in low acc situaion.

Edit: anyway this confirms what i thought, that is that askar is inferior to hauby+1 on SAM. Wonder why so many use it.
 
Eh? Hauby+1 is +16 acc and +16 atk, +6 str and dex. I dont think any sam is that dying for acc, even in a meatbuild.
 
mdkuser said:
Usu body is 12 acc 8 dex (= +18 acc) and 8 STR. It's superior to any other body. Body + feet allow you to get rid of rajas in low acc situaion.

Edit: anyway this confirms what i thought, that is that askar is inferior to hauby+1 on SAM. Wonder why so many use it.
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Accuracy isn't an issue for SAM, so the extra accuracy on Usukane body is meaningless since you're giving up a bunch of attack for it. It's only the superior body if the rest of your gear sucks.

Askar is a better body piece than Hauby during weapon skills, and if your accuracy is high enough, or if you balance it out with accuracy on another piece, then it could be a better body for TPing.
 
Bajaratt said:
I wouldn't wear Usukane body for meleeing anyways, Hauby + usukane feet, which are a much easier to obtain item, is a much better combinaiton.
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Usukane feet is not much easier than body as they both require a full group to get the lv25 piece. The 35 can be trioed in both cases.
 
pchan said:
Usukane feet is not much easier than body as they both require a full group to get the lv25 piece. The 35 can be trioed in both cases.
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My wallet begs to differ.
 
Knightblade said:
No, lol. Unless my memory isn't what it used to be, or they changed it.
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Store TP works in a very fundamental and simplistic manner, and has always worked in the same way.

45% of 11.5 is 5.175, decimals after the first are truncated.

11.5 + 5.1 = 16.6.

16.6 x 6 = 99.6.

16.6 x 7 = 116.2

This is a 7 hit build.

I'm not sure what part of this is difficult to understand, but please don't post misinformation.
 
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