Summoner duties

[Grem]

Okay, you're obviously too behind in knowledge to carry a discussion as you instantly resort to pitiful insults and terrible examples.

No shit he has to wear the tank gear. His job is to *GASP* get this.. tank! He has no option so who gives a shit how he'd do if he melee'd? And actually a Rdm in full melee + food vs a Pld in full melee + food with /war on both would be rather close. Pld get shit all for Damage dealing. If you want to push full on that, go ahead but in DD gear my Rdm with /war(boredom ftw) can take hate from a Pld WAR and require a Cover. And that wasa Pld 3 levels higher in good gear. So no, bad example. Rdm carry gear to swap by situation and never worry about which gear to wear when. I don't need Defender, no shit the pld does. Think before you speak please.

And OHMY A VT to a MONK vs an IT to a NINJA because everyone knows a Ninja takes less dmg from things than mnk:crazy:

Main healing: Whm > Smn -always- 1-75
Meleeing Rdm's are not okay, but not for that stupid TP gain shit, simply for MP and attention purposes.

And the whole PLD being a higher sword grade than RDM has no impact on this atall.

Put a PLD and an RDM in the same gear, or with the same stats, an RDM will do alot less damage, the reason for this is because RDM have to take a hit to balance them a bit due to their versitility. PLD can't main heal or nuke or enfeeble, all they know is tank, and maybe DD when geared right.

 

[Skaw]

And the whole PLD being a higher sword grade than RDM has no impact on this atall.

Bingo. Jump off a cliff, Windaria. Equally equipped, equal subjob, Paladin > Red Mage in melee. And yes, it is for TP Gain. Your shitty hits aren't doing anything. While a Paladin in full defense mode isn't doing any better, his hits are adding to his hate. Your hits, are just causing problems for the party. Way to understand how things work, dumbass.

 

[Windy]

And the whole PLD being a higher sword grade than RDM has no impact on this atall.

Put a PLD and an RDM in the same gear, or with the same stats, an RDM will do alot less damage, the reason for this is because RDM have to take a hit to balance them a bit due to their versitility. PLD can't main heal or nuke or enfeeble, all they know is tank, and maybe DD when geared right.

not.. listening..

No one EVER said "in the same gear". You people make a statement then twist the WHOLE point incorrectly. Please, if you say something retarded, stand by it.
The point made WAS: Rdm melee add nothing but TP
My point IS: Rdm melee !!!!!!CAN!!!!!! be just as effective if not moreso than a Pld.
Why? Because the pld HAS TO TANK. The Rdm has NO gear issues if they know how to play.

So Skaw, go jump off a bridge. Keep crying because your points were weak and shown as such. Rdm melee is not worth it, simply because of the OTHER things to do. NOT TP gain. People who hide behind that are too stupid to play the game, so seriously, read sentence one.

 

[Skaw]

It's nice to know you think a Paladins melee is just silly damage giving the mobs TP. How the fuck did you even get to the level you're at now? Buy your character?

 

[Windy]

It's nice to know you think a Paladins melee is just silly damage giving the mobs TP. How the fuck did you even get to the level you're at now? Buy your character?

Now you revert to obviously retarded insults. What's the matter, your pride hurt or are you simply too stupid to figure out anything remotely possible to say? I did not say that's all they do, learn how to read retard.

 

[Skaw]

Maybe if you quit jumping around trying to change your point to make yourself not look like a total idiot, you wouldn't need to be insulted.

 

[Rufus_Shinra]

Well, this thread is now a Windy bitchfest. Can we lock it yet? Or do we have to deal with another good thread turned shit?

Yet another thread derailed/ruined by windy and because skaw couldnt ignore her PMS.

 

[Windy]

Well, this thread is now a Windy bitchfest. Can we lock it yet? Or do we have to deal with another good thread turned shit?

Yet another thread derailed/ruined by windy and because skaw couldnt ignore her PMS.

So you are obviously mentally retarded and cannot see all my point are valid and some idiot asshat jumps on my shit? Get off the bandwagon and learn to read.

 

[Skaw]

So you are obviously mentally retarded and cannot see all my point are valid and some idiot asshat jumps on my shit? Get off the bandwagon and learn to read.

No, seriously. What point. That Red Mage in melee gear is a contender for DD since they can do more net damage than Paladin wearring defense gear, with Defender on? That people don't want them to melee because they give the mobs unnecessary TP, and it's just secret plot to undermine Red Mage melee? That the only reason Red Mage shouldn't melee is because of MP restrictions? Get the fuck over yourself. If it didn't help them hold hate, a Paladin wouldn't melee as well. But guess what? Wha wha whaaaaaaaaaaaaa, it helps them hold hate, at the expense of giving the mobs TP. Where as Red Mage Melee(assume you were given unlimited mp) does nothing but tickle the mob unnecessarily. I have some draino under my sink for you, since it had to actually be spelled out for your densely thick clogged skull. Open wide!

This isn't a bandwagon on your past. This is someone calling you a retarded because of the bullshit "points" you're trying to make to give Red Mage Melee some useful light in a party.

Red Mage melee is not useful at all, aside from gimmicky solo.

 

[Courtney]

Without a weapon skill RDM mellee is completely ineffectual.

Using a weaponskill, a RDM sacrifices a lot of both strength and accuracy on their enfeebles because they have to cast with the sword. Even then, it isn't as effective as a decent PLD mellee, because we don't get to use the Damage swords, and we have a far poorer Weapon rating. We don't even get any of the halfdecent weaponskills that a PLD has access to.

 

[Windy]

No, seriously. What point. That Red Mage in melee gear is a contender for DD since they can do more net damage than Paladin wearring defense gear, with Defender on? That people don't want them to melee because they give the mobs unnecessary TP, and it's just secret plot to undermine Red Mage melee? That the only reason Red Mage shouldn't melee is because of MP restrictions? Get the fuck over yourself. If it didn't help them hold hate, a Paladin wouldn't melee as well. But guess what? Wha wha whaaaaaaaaaaaaa, it helps them hold hate, at the expense of giving the mobs TP. Where as Red Mage Melee(assume you were given unlimited mp) does nothing but tickle the mob unnecessarily. I have some draino under my sink for you, since it had to actually be spelled out for your densely thick clogged skull. Open wide!

This isn't a bandwagon on your past. This is someone calling you a retarded because of the bullshit "points" you're trying to make to give Red Mage Melee some useful light in a party.

Red Mage melee is not useful at all, aside from gimmicky solo.

I'll be the better person here (like I have to try hard) and apologize for coming off as I did, you are obviously too immature to ever discuss anything when you are wrong or inable to grasp a point.

Simple point, Rdm melee does nothing but restrict them from performing the rest of their job better. It has nothing to do with OMGTPMOVES when you see a mob use three TP moves in a row so please, just shut up and move on. You have no idea what I meant obviously it went over your head. Don't put text ini my posts that isn't there.
RDM melee is a waste of time, not a detriment to the PT in terms of helping the mob.

 

[Acutie]

You do what you have to do and you smile while you're doing it. End of story.

 

[Bigboy]

Not that it changes anything, but after reading Windaria's post, I kinda zoned out and did a little daydreaming: RDM melee TP issues wouldn't be too bad with absorb TP, since they aren't giving TP as fast as other dual weilding melee. And its just more for the DRK to absorb.

I still don't think most RDM can afford to be casting with a sword out on XP mobs, or that the sword WS are worth trying to save TP for at the cost of weakening other aspects, but I was just imagining anyways.

Nothing noteworthy, but I felt like sharing.

 

[Skaw]

You do what you have to do and you smile while you're doing it. End of story.

^^^ What Acute said. Go back to the dunes, Windaria. I've never seen mobs use "3 TP moves in a row" unless they've two houred Meikyo Shisui, or have an alliance beating on them. Yes, an alliance, not a party. For the same 7-8 TP you give a mob with your feeble attempts to prove RDM Melee is useful enough to balance out the TP you give the mobs per strike, a Monk or Ninja can do 4 times what you've done, easily. Thats what it's about. Damge:Mob TP ratio. Get it through that cinder block on those shoulders..

 

[Windy]

^^^ What Acute said. Go back to the dunes, Windaria. I've never seen mobs use "3 TP moves in a row" unless they've two houred Meikyo Shisui, or have an alliance beating on them. Yes, an alliance, not a party.

Says a lolmnk to the Rdm...

Plus, you obviously don't pay very close attention unless the mobs have JA's with no recast, then they TP spam on occasion.

 

[Skaw]

Says a lolmnk to the Rdm...

Plus, you obviously don't pay very close attention unless the mobs have JA's with no recast, then they TP spam on occasion.

You know, I've never, ever come across such mythical things, unless they're unique quest/mission related mobs. And I sure as hell have a lot more experience than you do.

 

[Galaika]

Says a lolmnk to the Rdm...

Plus, you obviously don't pay very close attention unless the mobs have JA's with no recast, then they TP spam on occasion.

The only time they do that Windaria is where one of them is a SPELL not one of their TP moves, or thsyve got an incredible amount of TP (BLUs can give a mob 100% tp in 3 spells). It does happen, stop bitching about it.

The main point here is using a sword to get tp to do WSs (your only source of real damage) = not using a wand or elemental staff = NOT DOING YOUR JOB PROPERLY!

 

[Pasquale]

...aaaaaand I'ma try to take it back. (the thread, not porch-monkey)

Summoners,

So this thread (the first few pages anyways) was about summoner duties, and what to do between Blood Pacts. Have you ever found yourself in a party with say two NIN and a RDM, where you in fact had very little healing to do? I was in a party like that the other day and there were pretty big chunks of time where i couldn't help but feel useless.

 

[Oracle]

What I thought.

I just recently brought SMN to 30 in the last week, and it came to my attention that now that the game has been out for 3-4+ years, EVERYONE has a power leveler that they can get to. As a SMN, all I found myself taking the time to do is pulling out my summon at the beggining of the fight and using thunderspark and then meleeing it till it was dead or doing another thunderspark once it was active again. In all honesty, as a SMN, my dagger does VERY VERY little... and my avatar does about 8-13 damage max.

On parties I didn't have a power leveler. I would find my self using my BP and then unsummoning and becoming the backup WHM... which sadly, wasn't needed most of the time. My cures would often kills the WHMs cures... (I hate that)

 

[Aerdrie]

ahh yes the age old SMN argument:

Its like this we are verstile in exp parties and every party is a lil different do what yuo want to have fun but remember in exp your actions affect 5 other players time and fun as well so you should do what you can to help exp flow.

If you dislik emain healing I suggest either soloing or astralburn cannons or get a static set up so that you dont have to main heal otherwise in pick up EXP parties your best role is the main healer or support healer at higher levels.

As stated before smn has the worst DEF and the weakest melee skill in the game we are support mages not mele fighters. Your avatar will do shit damage on exp mobs and you will waste MP.

By all means I support you playing any way you wish and SMN will allow yuo to try new things just remember that in a stanard EXP party you should be considerate of others and even do roles you may not like to do.

The payoff at the end is that you become a major DD job in endgame especially in HNM and sky ^^

Lastly I suggest talking to higher level smn and pick thier brains if they are not busy. Many of us love to chat and will be happy to answer questions and give advice ^^