Thanks for staying batshit insane, Nintendo.

[Gatttsu]

Looks interesting, and I've always been a Nintendo faithful gamer, even though I love all my consoles equally, they(Nintendo) have yet to disappoint me ^^

and for no reason at all....

'tis my favorite t-shirt logo

 

[meeze]

does it matter what the controller looks like?

they are still going to have a short list of shitty games, with that one game that the hardcore nintendo nuts are going to say "X game makes this all worth it"

 

[Carth]

does it matter what the controller looks like?

they are still going to have a short list of shitty games, with that one game that the hardcore nintendo nuts are going to say "X game makes this all worth it"

what are you

 

[Rones]

What is new, inovative, and revolutionary about a tv remote design from over 20 years ago? Built in light gun abilities are very cool, but anyone playing a shooter would usually prefer a gun shape.

 

[CubsWoo]

I don't know why the hell you're complaining Cubs, w/o nintendo's drive to change the industry you'd still be playing with a joystick. :roll:

And I'd be controlling my Rad Racer games with the Power Glove. And using R.O.B. to play all my strategy games. And hunching over into a table to play my Virtual Boy. Just because Nintendo has been quality and innovative in the past doesn't mean Miyamoto can shit in a box and call it quality and I'll still run to EB and preorder it. The only ways I've heard fanboys tell me I can play any decent fighting game and/or Madden on that thing has been "well... you can plug in a Gamecube controller." That's not good enough. But then again, Nintendo doesn't give a shit about third parties anyway, they'll just make their Mario/Zelda/etc games for it and make do with the 'virtual console' stuff.

Japan sales figures

Japan is also Nintendo's portable juggernaut, I won't argue with you there. But look at the US numbers:

DS's sold: 1.95 million
Months on the market: 9

PSP's sold: 1.71 million
Months on the market: 5

And that's without the PSP having a true killer app and the DS having Nintendogs. PSP will probably catch/eclipse the DS with Liberty City Stories or a price drop.

Also look at Europe. DS on launch sold 87k systems in the first weekend. PSP sold 185k systems in the same timespan.

I never said the DS would 'fail,' I just feel that gimmickry doesn't hold up over time, and the US and UK markets are proving that

Also, consider the GB Micro. Nintendo is oversaturating their best market with something that looks like an inferior product to the SP - and it costs more.

Um, what?

At the N64's launch we said we were 'playing Nintendo' and by the end of that generation's lifecycle we said we were 'playing Playstation.' I'd consider that a failure.

 

[Mishaela]

Looks like the controls to a vi....back massager. :?

I sorta dunno if I'll get the Revolution or PS3. I like how they're making new systems, but I'd preferr a more thought-out/long game as opposed to one that looks like real life and is only 14h long (if not shorter)

If it's too realistic, it doesn't feel like a game anymore, then it just blah to me.

 

[Rappa]

Here's the way I look at it. So far the jumps between generations have been really noticeable. Nowadays when I'm playing the newest PS2 or whatever game and then looking at screenshots of the next gen console games, they just aren't doing anything for me anymore. As it's related to my profession I'll probably end up getting all of the consoles anyway, but if I were a regular consumer I want to pay for something different and something tangible. I don't care if your new system can process 50 billion Teraflops, I want to know why I need your system and why my PS2 isn't good enough anymore.

The DS came in and changed up the way people looked at handhelds while the psp just threw raw processing power at the problem. This is the same way I currently see the Revolution vs PS3 vs X360 battle going. It's all a big numbers game. Now Nintendo is throwing out the big trump card and once again showing innovation. I see this controller and I think to myself "I can't do that with my PS2". That in and of itself gets me excited. I don't want a virtual likeness of John Madden's fat wiggling on his face in Madden 2009, I want to swing the shit out of my controller to kill slimes in an adventure game. Then again, this is coming from someone who owns everything from IIDX dj controllers to Samba de Amigo maracas.

 

[CubsWoo]

The problem is that it feels like innovation just to be innovative and different instead of a progressive, useful innovation. I don't want to have to point at a reciever, hit a button, draw his hot route, hold two more buttons, and pull the controller back just to snap the ball in Madden, I want to hit three buttons.

I'm also glad I'm fully healed from my wrist problems from earlier this year, because I'd imagine anyone with:

a) Shaky hands
b) Limited hand/wrist mobility
c) Arthritis/fatigue problems

are going to be pretty much SOL with this controller.

I do agree, though, Nintendo's drawing a line in the sand. They're turning their backs on developers who don't want to change their games to support the controller. If anything proved they want to be the 'second console' maker, this was it. You're going to see fewer Revolution games just like you've seen fewer GC games. A lot of the first/second gen games are likely going to be just like the DS first/second gen games - minigames and prettied-up tech demos. Then Nintendo makes their move, drops the price and introduces a game people want.

The only way I'll give this thing a chance is if it debuts at around $150 and the downloaded games are less than $5 each.

 

[Bajaratt]

does it matter what the controller looks like?

they are still going to have a short list of shitty games, with that one game that the hardcore nintendo nuts are going to say "X game makes this all worth it"

I believe you're thinking of the xbox. They have 3 good xbox-only games and 2 of them start with Halo.

As far as the simplicity of the controller goes, I like it. I think nintendo had the right Idea in maintaining a simple controller so that non-gamers wouldn't be scared shitless to pick a controller up and play. The N64 and the gamecube had less buttons to use than the xbox and the PS2, but that didn't stop the games from being fun. You shouldn't need a full keyboard of buttons to play a game.

I've played several fighting games that were great on the gamecube, and not just Smash Brothers Melee. The controls were fine and easy to use, so I'm sure they'll be the same way on the revolution. If you don't like the style of this controller, I'm sure that there will be other styles released later on with the same functionality that look more like the classic controller.

I agree with Rappa though, the only thing that microsoft and sony seem concerned with are better graphics, which don't make a bad game good. Nintendo seems more interested in the gameplay first, which appeals to me more. Sure, graphics are nice, but I'd rather have a good game with average graphics than a beautiful piece of shit anyday.

 

[ThisIsHamburgler]

aww c'mon cubs... wont you want to play Mario Fishing/swordfighting/midget tossing/basketweaving and its numerous sequels? I mean, I've never wove a basket in a game before, so its innovative and therefore better than a traditional game, right?

Seriously... not that the idea itself isnt cool. I dont think cubs and I would disagree that the concept is pretty cool, but it does feel like a gimmik since it basically forgoes tradtional gaming and might alienate many 3rd parties. But nintendo knows that its fanboys will buy anything they put out, even if it is crap, so they will be making money regardless.

-Ham :shock:

 

[Rappa]

But nintendo knows that its fanboys will buy anything they put out, even if it is crap, so they will be making money regardless.

Oh, the fanboy argument. That works for all consoles though. The Sony fanboys will buy anything Sony puts out, etc. Not everyone wants something different though. I mean, the PS3 will sell through the roof and I'm sure Rachet and Clank 5 with 200 teraflops of power will be a great game. I mean, I plan to get a PS3. I also plan to get a Revolution though and just going by the current information we have right now, I have a feeling that the Revolution is going to get the most playtime. It's not that I have anything against the "let's throw all the power we can at it" approach because it works and I like realistic looking games.

It's just that with modern technology the phrase "next gen" is becoming more and more misleading that I'm desperately seeking any reason to bother upgrading my consoles at all and so far all Sony has shown me is a poor remodel of a good controller design and some pretty pictures. Nintendo has shown me something new and interesting. Who knows, maybe it'll suck. Maybe Sony still has something up their sleeve. You can't count out Microsoft. I just think that this is the first real revelation that makes "next gen" truly fit for these new consoles. I hope to see some interesting counters from Sony and Microsoft.

 

[Mithracat]

does it matter what the controller looks like?

they are still going to have a short list of shitty games, with that one game that the hardcore nintendo nuts are going to say "X game makes this all worth it"

KINDA LIKE XBOX LOLOLOLOL

 

[vang]

Function > Fashion

Too many Nintendo fanboys in this thread. Nintendo has not had a good controller/system since Super NES.

 

[Rappa]

Not seeing many/any fanboys in this topic. Saying a Nintendo console looks interesting != being a fanboy. I didn't buy an N64 and have maybe 3 games for the Gamecube (compared to ~150 PS2 games and like 5 on xbox). I'm just bored with the same old shit. If the PS3 can do something that my PS2 can't, aside from just looking better, I'll be happy to buy one. Until then, all they've done is turn me off with that horrible controller. Too many people are quick to label and judge others rather than comment on the issue at hand.

 

[meeze]

How hard is the PS2 controller that people can't figure it out?

my 8 your old cousin can come and play ps2 without needing any special training, i'm hoping anyone with a high school diploma should be able to figure it out.

btw, xbox has a long list of shitty games with only one game that they all say "this is all worth it"

 

[Sabia]

Function > Fashion

Too many Nintendo fanboys in this thread. Nintendo has not had a good controller/system since Super NES.

Uhm...The PS2 controller is the super nintendo controller with akwardly placed dual analogue and 2 more shoulder buttons.

The Xbox controller had to be completely re-vamped before people would give it the time of day.

And frankly the only complaint I've heard about the Gamecube controller is it's too small. I don't have this problem because I have small hands.

Nintendo's controllers have brought you the D-pad, analogue, shoulder buttons, rumble, wireless....I'm not really seeing how they havn't come out with a "good controller since the super nes."

I'll be getting a PS3 and a revolution. PS3 for their awesome in-house development team and absolutely overwhealming number of games and a Revolution for its' once again incredible in-house development team and for something fresh and new.

I think the people who are complaining that it's a Nintendo controller havn't bothered actually reading the functionality with the motion/distance sensor included. Wired said playing Metroid Prime 2 was incredible with the new controller. Also I dont want to really hear any complaining about Nintendo staying with tried and true franchises on this board, considering it's a board based around a series that has over 15 titles.... :roll:

Fear change all you want, games have been doing the same thing for the last 20 years and it's nice to see someone finally push the boarders of what you can do on a console...low and behold it's nintendo again. Even if this thing fails (which I really don't see happening) at least they had the balls and imagination to try...

 

[Mithracat]

btw, xbox has a long list of shitty games with only one game that they all say "this is all worth it"

Quoted for absolute truthfulness.

 

[CubsWoo]

Nintendo's controllers have brought you the D-pad, analogue, shoulder buttons, rumble, wireless....I'm not really seeing how they havn't come out with a "good controller since the super nes."

This is like saying because Hydrox was the first to put cream between two chocolate cookies we should all stop eating Oreos. Just about every single one of those innovations have been refined and improved on by either Sony or Microsoft (in some cases both.)

Nintendo's also told us that cartridges hold enough data for any game, that playing online isn't something today's gamers want, that big-name RPG developers are unnecessary for the success of a console, that consoles don't need to do anything but play games...

I think the people who are complaining that it's a Nintendo controller havn't bothered actually reading the functionality with the motion/distance sensor included. Wired said playing Metroid Prime 2 was incredible with the new controller.

Yeah... with an ADD-ON. Let's say Metroid Prime 3 (or whatever) has 4-player split screen play. So now I've not only gotta shell out $25-30 for three more controllers, but another $5-10 for the attachment for each of those three. And how many attachments will there be? We can assume if a game needs a new one it could be packed in, but if my multiplayer games cost $50 for the game and $30 for the controller add-on to actually be able to play it with friends, that's not going to sell too many consoles.

Fear change all you want, games have been doing the same thing for the last 20 years and it's nice to see someone finally push the boarders of what you can do on a console...low and behold it's nintendo again. Even if this thing fails (which I really don't see happening) at least they had the balls and imagination to try...

Define 'fail.' Nintendo's shooting for 3rd place again, and it's hard to fail when you're already at the back of the pack.

 

[Sabia]

Define 'fail.' Nintendo's shooting for 3rd place again, and it's hard to fail when you're already at the back of the pack.

3rd place my ass, they may be 3rd place in the console market in NA but worldwide they still hold 2nd and that's without bringing up sales on the GBA and DS. They're still the only company that has never lost money on a system, are stitting on billions of dollars, have the #1 selling system under their belt (GBA), please clarify for me how this is a failure? I'm just not seeing it. Think outside the box a little, the world doesn't end at the United States Border.

 

[Carth]

Tirade of awesome

<3 Sabia