The Dynamis Show

[Zylia]

It was kinda just bad timing from what I've read (skimmed, haven't read it from the start so I apologize if I missed anything). If that Briault had dropped then next week the shell decided to reform, the only thing running though your head probably would've been "Goddamn I'm lucky to have got my Briault" and you probably would've declared a new main with Encore just like the people 5/5 that you're accusing of lot changing in the new shell.

It's just a run of bad luck and bad timing. It happens though. Hopefully Encores rules will be more accomadating of new and old. Don't be afraid of revisions when a problem is found. Whenever we had a problem we took all leaders and brainstormed a fix, drafted it, voted on it among the leaders, presented it to the shell, let them talk about it and eventually change it or alter the decided fix to the shells problems and move from there.

It is seriously hard to please all members of a Dynamis shell. If you cater to the long time members, you use the new members as a means to benefit the old members, ultimately screwing them over. The rules you make have to take into consideration all tiers of lotting. Give the new members some, give the old members some, but don't try to outcast the new members in favor of old. While old members are deserving of their piece for their time put into the shell, the new members support that piece even dropping. To outcast them from a chance at lotting it is a bit selfish. If what Willian said earlier is true and after 20 runs in TDS you still couldn't lot a piece in a town, then there is a serious flaw in the system and a rennovation was probably way overdue.

 

[Lavi]

It's just a run of bad luck and bad timing. It happens though. Hopefully Encores rules will be more accomadating of new and old. Don't be afraid of revisions when a problem is found. Whenever we had a problem we took all leaders and brainstormed a fix, drafted it, voted on it among the leaders, presented it to the shell, let them talk about it and eventually change it or alter the decided fix to the shells problems and move from there.

That's the thing, the problem was known and nothing was done about it. I had no warning I was wasting my time and had I known the shell was so fickle, I wouldn't have wasted 3 hours twice a week for a shell that was crumbling. I spent my time hoping to earn something the shell knew full well they weren't going to give me.

Reya, good bye. You act like as innocent as you want, but the truth is you still logged out when it didn't serve you to come. You walked away and didn't bother once to think about helping anyone else out because it was just an inconvenience to you. And yet I stayed knowing full well I didn't benefit at all by going. This is the kind of behavior I have come to know as common behavior, I worked hard to earn it while players like you get what you want and come and go as you please. After you got your briault, you came less than 50% and meanwhile, I worked my ass off for nothing. Tell me the fairness in that? Tell me how it was fair of the shell to piss away 11 months and just leave me hanging? Join Encore they said. So I can watch another eleven months pass me by while the same leadership which was supposed to be working for me with TDS forgets I exist and lets players like you who only come when it serves their interest walk all over me? No fucking thanks.

 

[Audino]

Cash cow? Is that what you think Lavi? Please, enlighten me why I would openly welcome Damita and Doumoon into my shell. Two people also after sandy coins that are even sponsering before I sponser a single run. And what makes you think that I couldn't have gotten into any one of the several other NA shells that allow sponsering for runs?

I will never regret the time I spent with TDS like you do. I never achieved all the goals I wanted to with that group of people but I'm not going to point any fingers and blame individual people. I was basically forced into taking a role of leadership which I admit I may have not been ready for, but I sure as fucking hell didn't see YOU or anyone else step up and say "Hey, do you guys need a hand?" I can say a LOT more than most of you can, and that is I tried. I could go into further detail, but its not stuff you deserve to know after this display. Encore is around because basically we are sick of people like you. Not the "you" that we knew, the "you" that made this post. "GL in the future with new recruits" eh? Thanks for the best wishes. Its hilarious that you are so concerned with our problems down the road, mostly because of the fact here on out you're non-existent to me.

Just so you know, thanks to you starting this thread, even more people are asking me if we're recruiting. Its true I guess, there's no such thing as bad publicity. I owe you Lavi. Hah. See what I did there? Go ahead, say we'll fail, say we all fucked you over, post the same things again.

Saying that TDS was my cash cow was probably the most retarded thing I have ever seen you say. You know that others sponsered more than I did and I hardly got enough coins to even dent the 4000 coins that I have gotten on my own so far. All the people that matter know what kind of person I am, so anything you might have to say, feel free. The worst case scenario a couple forum junkies might actually believe I'm evil and unfair but I've taken bigger chances.

Good luck to you in the rest of your gaming Lavi. Hopefully you get your way for however much longer you play.

 

[Audino]

Btw, thanks to all the people that I don't know that left kind and supportive words here. (Don't see it often on the FB) Its nice to know some people look at things from all sides and can even relate to a situation at times. Cheers to you.

 

[Kerowynn]

I worked my ass off for nothing.

You didn't get anything from the shell in 11 months? Just clarifying because I wasn't in TDS long enough to know. If you got 4/5 whm af and a 100c or more in 11 months I'd say that's pretty damn good though.

 

[Sabia]

Even if TDS had stuck around and changed their rules to accomidate what sounds like a never ending loss of new recruits I don't think you would of been satisfied. I'm getting the feeling that had you got your AF that you wanted and the next person in line got fucked you would of never made this post. Your trying to point the finger at Encore and call them selfish when really you're the only selfish person in this thread. 4/5 AF2, that's pretty fuckin good I'd think - be thankful for what you got and what these people helped you get rather than telling them to fuck off for the ONE thing you didn't get. It's like a kid at christmas getting 20 gifts but not appreciating any of them because he didn't get the one he wanted.

 

[Lavi]

You didn't get anything from the shell in 11 months? Just clarifying because I wasn't in TDS long enough to know. If you got 4/5 whm af and a 100c or more in 11 months I'd say that's pretty damn good though.

My goal within the shell was to get full WHM relic. That's what I went for and that's what I wanted. Its sort of an all or nothing goal.

Audino, you left the shell about a month ago. How are you supposed to earn coins if you no longer run with the shell? Here's an idea, start up a new one and take all the old members so you continue doing so. Like I already said, I don't care much anymore. You all got what you could out of me. You used me for all I was worth and tossed me aside like nothing. Instead of doing the job as a leader, you let the shell fall into ruin. You could have done anything, something, even something drastic that could have ruined the shell for all I care, but you didn't care enough to save it. Instead, just watched it die without a care for the hard work anyone put into it. Yes, I am mentioning my hard work quite often because for all intents and purposes, thats really all that matters to me now that the shell is gone. Dead to you? I was dead to you a long time ago when my time wasn't worth repaying.

 

[Lavi]

Even if TDS had stuck around and changed their rules to accomidate what sounds like a never ending loss of new recruits I don't think you would of been satisfied. I'm getting the feeling that had you got your AF that you wanted and the next person in line got fucked you would of never made this post. Your trying to point the finger at Encore and call them selfish when really you're the only selfish person in this thread. 4/5 AF2, that's pretty fuckin good I'd think - be thankful for what you got and what these people helped you get rather than telling them to fuck off for the ONE thing you didn't get. It's like a kid at christmas getting 20 gifts but not appreciating any of them because he didn't get the one he wanted.

What I wanted was for them to fix a failing system. Not ignore it and move on. You're right, I wouldn't have made this thread if I had obtained the briault, but I would still be angry with the leadership for allowing the shell to break. And I certainly wouldn't have joined the new shell Encore.

 

[Sabia]

What I wanted was for them to fix a failing system. Not ignore it and move on. You're right, I wouldn't have made this thread if I had obtained the briault, but I would still be angry with the leadership for allowing the shell to break. And I certainly wouldn't have joined the new shell Encore.

Thing is Lavi, the only way to fix a never ending loss of new recruits is to not do the "longest time members get dibs on shit" rule. Once long time members get their loot they'll play for a while but take off when they realize they're wasting money and time, plus you end up with new recruits quitting because they're never going to get what they want either, combine these two factors and you're going to kill your shell because there isn't going to be enough people showing up to do a proper run. Had TDS changed it's rules to accomidate this problem you would of gotten fucked either way. It sounds like Encore's new rules have breathed new life into a dying shell - I don't know why you can't be happy that your friends are enjoying themselves again. Once again I'll say you got 4/5 AF and some 100cs, then you turn around and tell the people that helped you get it to fuck off. Very Very selfish.

 

[Rappa]

Well I wasn't intending on posting anymore. But this retarded flaw in your logic really needs to be addressed.

No one in Final Fantasy XI is EVER "entitled" to ANYTHING just by showing up.

That's all there is to it. I've camped Fafnir for near on two years now. I'm there 99% of the time when my shell goes. I do my job really well when we kill it. Does that entitle me to a Ridill? People who have been doing Limbus since day one. Are they entitled to having full homam and nashira gear?

The drop system of Final Fantasy XI is RANDOM. You can NEVER be 100% "entitled" to an item that drops RANDOMLY.

You have MORE chances than almost any other white mage in TheDynamisShow at getting a Cleric's Briault. You were at more runs than most because you were in the shell longer. It didn't drop.

TheDynamisShow did NOT screw you out of a drop. TheDynamisShow has NO CONTROL over what items fall in the zones they go to.

Is it clear yet? Is anything sinking into that impressively thick skull of yours yet? Showing up doesn't make an item drop. It's no one's fault that the item didn't drop before the shell ended. If just attendance was the sole factor in Final Fantasy XI, everyone would be walking around with Ridills and every other good piece of gear in the game. Without randomness and chance, this game would fucking suck, much like your pathetic attitude does. Unless you have a GameShark or something we don't know about, TheDynamisShow did everything it was responsible for doing by going to Beaucedine and giving the Briault a chance at dropping. Asking that a shell supply you a random item or else they are greedy fuckholes is just stupid. Go play some offline game with your GameShark, you don't belong here.

 

[Reya]

Oh damn I forgot Dynamis doesn't pay my bills. Since you seem to know so much about me did you search the other runs I missed to see if I was online doing something else? I can count a total time of about 2 or 3 at most in 11 months. I posted on the site to let everyone know what was going on irl. I was going through a hard financial time and going to college full time. My weekends were shot and Tuesdays I had class. What does it matter? I don't have to prove anything to you. You won't listen to anything other than what you want to hear. TDS knew what was up, I talked to Quiz and Orestes about it when I had the chance too. Once again jumping to conclusions Lavi-pants.

You should be greatful of getting what you got before the LS broke. You have most of your AF2 and 100 coin plus maybe a few pieces of overflow AF I think. You made out really well compared to some people.

 

[Raesvelg]

Ask Shuichi I think it was about how greedy Reya is... BLM AF2 hat passed, 'nuff said.

 

[Mirewen]

You didn't get a jacket you feel you earned. There are more than one person in the same boat. But flaming an entire LS because of it? Doesn't that seem kind of childish to you Lavi? Maybe you now feel you shouldn't have passed on the jacket when you did because you'd be 5/5 now. Yes, that must suck knowing that you could have it now if you hadn't passed, but you've been called a nice person who gave it up because you were being thoughtful. Don't ruin the memory of your thoughtfulness now.

 

[Lavi]

Thing is Lavi, the only way to fix a never ending loss of new recruits is to not do the "longest time members get dibs on shit" rule. Once long time members get their loot they'll play for a while but take off when they realize they're wasting money and time, plus you end up with new recruits quitting because they're never going to get what they want either, combine these two factors and you're going to kill your shell because there isn't going to be enough people showing up to do a proper run. Had TDS changed it's rules to accomidate this problem you would of gotten fucked either way. It sounds like Encore's new rules have breathed new life into a dying shell - I don't know why you can't be happy that your friends are enjoying themselves again. Once again I'll say you got 4/5 AF and some 100cs, then you turn around and tell the people that helped you get it to fuck off. Very Very selfish.

I worked 11 months to get to where I was. Then it was abruptly taken away from me. Was there a way to counter it? I really don't know the answer. They could have reset attendance. That would make new recruits happy while upsetting older members. Or they could do a tier system allowing older members priority over new. Either way is an attempt to fix a failing system, but none of that nor anything else was even attempted. Instead, they just tossed it all away for a new shell. What's worse is the new shell goes against everything I believe in as fairness in lotting would go. I could agree with maybe any of the above systems if it somehow rewarded me for effort or compensated for the terrible drops. Instead, it's a system where no matter how hard I work, how often I attend, I am still at the bottom. I was double fucked. Not only do I lose out on the last piece I truly desired, I can't even join a shell which for all intents and purposes is TDS reformed. Where does that leave me? To find a new shell which is almost guaranteed to take another 11 months to obtain the piece that TDS was supposed to get me? What if they break before that happems (it seems that's a repetitive problem for me)? I just can't do it anymore. I just can't put my faith into anymore groups when everytime I get to where I want to be, they disappear or worse.

I had a static party on my first job (WHM) to get everyone to 75. Three members disappeared while I was still 73 (just barely) and all three had reached 75. To this day, Myi, Lucy and that POS NIN never once helped me again on WHM. Lucy even goes as far as blaming me. I joined Affinity my first gods LS and I stayed with the shell until it broke about a year later. Another year gone and back where I started (I wasn't so mad about gear as I was being unable to do anything I had wanted to do). Heck, even Neo comes here telling me I didn't deserve half the stuff I obtained from that shell. After that, I joined Seashell only to be told leadership wants to give a speed belt to the NINs in the shell, but when I asked if I could ever get a Juggernaut, I was told I was greedy. I left. I stayed in FlyingFish for awhile until I realized I was nothing more than a tool for Myi and Lucy. Most of the time, Myi treated me like shit and I just tried to avoid her. I joined TDS and you know the story. I am just so very tired of this shit and I am done with it. I knew full well most shells do not have any lasting power, but I just had more hope that some leaders would do more to prevent a shell from breaking. Ultimately, they never do.

 

[neophytal]

i never said you didnt deserve it *at the end*.. i just said that you didn't deserve it when you got it at that point in time...[in comparison to the other WHMs.] especially when it was *supposed to be sold*.

if you got 4/5 af2, 2 100c, and whatnot, you did perfectly fine. you're making yourself just look worse at this point.

 

[Kerowynn]

My goal within the shell was to get full WHM relic. That's what I went for and that's what I wanted. Its sort of an all or nothing goal.

LOL...okay well if it's an all or nothing goal why don't you go ahead and throw out the other 4 pieces of whm af2 you did recieve. While you're at it why don't you donate the 1cs and 100c(s) you got to others or just drop them since they weren't a part of your goal. Make sure you drop any overflow/secondary relic you received as well, since your goal was all or nothing.

Give me a break. This is basically what you've said in a nutshell, "Poor me! I only got 4/5 relic and coins worth a lot of gil in a relatively short period of time! Waaaa!!!" /stomps foot! /throws tantrum!

You really made yourself look like a selfish, spoiled brat in this thread. You've never struck me as that type of person in game (althought I don't know you well). Take a minute to look at this situation objectively and maybe you'll appreciate the fact that you got a lot from that shell and your reaction to TDS disbanding is purely emotional and definitely should have been left off the boards.

 

[Lavi]

Well I wasn't intending on posting anymore. But this retarded flaw in your logic really needs to be addressed.

No one in Final Fantasy XI is EVER "entitled" to ANYTHING just by showing up.

That's all there is to it. I've camped Fafnir for near on two years now. I'm there 99% of the time when my shell goes. I do my job really well when we kill it. Does that entitle me to a Ridill? People who have been doing Limbus since day one. Are they entitled to having full homam and nashira gear?

The drop system of Final Fantasy XI is RANDOM. You can NEVER be 100% "entitled" to an item that drops RANDOMLY.

You have MORE chances than almost any other white mage in TheDynamisShow at getting a Cleric's Briault. You were at more runs than most because you were in the shell longer. It didn't drop.

TheDynamisShow did NOT screw you out of a drop. TheDynamisShow has NO CONTROL over what items fall in the zones they go to.

Is it clear yet? Is anything sinking into that impressively thick skull of yours yet? Showing up doesn't make an item drop. It's no one's fault that the item didn't drop before the shell ended. If just attendance was the sole factor in Final Fantasy XI, everyone would be walking around with Ridills and every other good piece of gear in the game. Without randomness and chance, this game would fucking suck, much like your pathetic attitude does. Unless you have a GameShark or something we don't know about, TheDynamisShow did everything it was responsible for doing by going to Beaucedine and giving the Briault a chance at dropping. Asking that a shell supply you a random item or else they are greedy fuckholes is just stupid. Go play some offline game with your GameShark, you don't belong here.

For calling me thick, you're sure pretty slow yourself. Leadership was supposed to look out for the linkshell, supposed to prevent the shell from breaking. They failed. I know full well they can't give it to me on a whim or pop one out their ass. What they could have done is prevent the shell from breaking in the first place. Can you tell me one time in which the leadership did anything in the last six months besides hold regular runs? They actively did nothing to change anything. They knew it was a problem and chose to ignore it. Had they done something to prevent this, then I would have been a whole lot happier and probably been able to obtain my last piece. Lucky for you all, you have a place to move onto, but I simply do not have that luxury. I wouldn't be so angry if I could, but I don't.

 

[Zyndara]

Just a correction to this Zyndara, I was with TDS since their very first run, and my attendance was just as good as Lavi's. However my lotting luck was an entirely different story. Lavi passed on the Briault because the previous week that two whm hands dropped in Xarcabard, I lost my lot against her and it was very obvious that I lost the Briault bid against her as well. She thought it was fair I get a piece finally.

This is why I am still saying that the Lavi starting this flame is not the same kind, fun person I came to know in Dynamis.
I can very much understand her frustration over the situation, but it is out of anyone's hand.

I'm sorry Toboe, for some reason I was thinking Lavi had been in longer, I apologize (as I came in later than both of you - it's probably in my head because I've known Lavi longer). Regardless of how long you were both in the shell though, it isn't right to give up your lot and then later begrudge it because a second opportunity never came. I mean no one gets into a shell thinking its going to disband. But it happens. That's why when your time comes up, you lot. Yes it's random and you take the chance you're going to have a junk lot, but that's the way dynamis and everything else in this game is set up.

I definitely understand her frustration, but I just think it's wrong to paint everyone in Encore with the same brush. I will be doing dynamis with Encore because they are funny, knowledgeable people who I enjoy spending some time with a couple of times a week. I'm not 5/5 on my relic gear and yet that's kind of a by-product and not my motivation for doing dynamis. Yet the way Lavi is lashing out, I must be a greedy, selfish person too by that standard and I think that's kind of messed up.

And Lavi, I do hear you about wishing people could salvage a shell to save what's good, but sometimes you just can't do it. If there were members of the leadership who were already moving on to other things or disinterested, you have a problem because now you have the people who weren't interested in continuing leaving behind all the issues and messes for the few that wanted to improve things to clean up. Frankly, that's a pretty rotten mess to have to sift through, and sometimes it's easier to start over and build back up. Sure there would be new rules and sure things would be different. But don't you think people remember what good you've done for them? I just really don't believe that this group of people you're referring to would have just pretended like nothing you've done was worth anything to them. I think you really do them and yourself a disservice by making that kind of judgement on their character. I would like a briault myself for my whm but personally, I wouldn't lot against you for it because I know you have been waiting for yours much longer. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who would feel that way.

 

[Lavi]

i never said you didnt deserve it *at the end*.. i just said that you didn't deserve it when you got it at that point in time...[in comparison to the other WHMs.] especially when it was *supposed to be sold*.

I never agreed that it should be sold to begin with. I also never agreed with the reasoning they used to change the rules which was basically Payge wanted it so change the system. But to say I didn't deserve it is a lie. I farmed as often if not more so than a majority of the members. The only other WHMs were Sumer and Cherubael. Cherubael got a Tunic the same time I did and Sumer was neglected simply because she and Payge did not get along. Sumer had also left the shell for a short while so I can only assume there was some reservations about loyalty. I more than deserved it. I had been with the shell for around 6+ months and besides an A.Head Abj. (I didn't even need it), I had nothing else from the shell at that time. I didn't even use the linkshell bank to uncurse that either.

 

[Myihta]

Oh to add to Lavi's flame... Don't forget we also invited you to do CoP all the way through with you too. I was mean to you on that one too. Enjoying that ring? Or did we not get you far enough with that one too...

Oh yeah the fishies did so much. We were a social shell and did some events. If I remember correctly with the events that we did with the shell... I obtained zero gear. Oh yeah... I'm in the business of fucking you over and being mean to you.