Thf/RNG merits

XGrayswanderX said:
milage, bullshit. Str doesnt do shit for a Thf, not for WS dmg, not for melee dmg. You'd be "far" better off stacking attack/haste/acc+ gear on TP build. and then DEX and CHR w/e on your WS macro. The amount of STR it takes to gain even 1 attack is a lot, So meriting STR as a thf solely for a few more attack and "No" WS dmg increase just seems retarded to me.
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This is you, on record, saying STR does nothing for WS....................


Even with CHR modding DE (and Shadowstitch btw, FUCK YEAH!), how many THFs you ever met that macro in CHR gear for it? I've seen people try it, and go back to STR and DEX bonuses, because guess what? They are more effective. STR and DEX will affect THF WS the most. DEX is a mod and will offer occasional spikes. STR will raise your potential as well as offer better averages, as well as help out your lackluster melee swings.

Ever hear of attack food? You will hit the attack cap pretty quick without pumping up STR.


Stacking on all the DEX you can handle is good for early on and mid-levels. Beyond that, you still want DEX (nobody said you didn't), but you ALSO want STR. The more the merrier. Forget the little WS modifier cutsie shit you are reading and using as a crutch. It is leading you very stray.
 
XGrayswanderX said:
Thief is a special case however, as DD equations go, and to someone who plans on only lvling thief as their DD job, I recommend DEX.
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It has been said before, and now again...Even for THF, this is not the best choice, regardless of race. It will help, sure. The little formulas say so, right?! But it is not the best choice, even if you are a career THFonry4life.

Considering capped attribute merits are a total of 360k XP, if you are thinking about STR vs. DEX and are THF, listen to experience, not speculation. STR merits will give you the milage you are looking for as a career THF.
 
decidence said:
5 STR only makes a difference of what 0.5-1.5 extra damage per hit during melee?
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What food are you eating?

What MOB are you fighting?



Also consider that STR will shine all the more when you look at fighting anything outside of soloing and XP.
 
Like I said, I'd only recommend DEX merits for a pure THF. DEX helps a small amount with overall accuracy on normal melee hits, Just like 5/5 Str adds 0.5-1.5 extra damage per hit. It's accuracy vs attack there. But as to Weaponskill damage and Sneak attack damage? You're just wrong if you're stacking Str gear as a THF on those.

As to a thiefs direct DOT, in a merit party situation, I see thieves that are TAing their WSs and normal SAing out parse Thieves who do the opposite. And guess what, Dex directly effects SA damage, just like Agi effects TA.



Sneakypants said:
It has been said before, and now again...Even for THF, this is not the best choice, regardless of race. It will help, sure. The little formulas say so, right?! But it is not the best choice, even if you are a career THFonry4life.

Considering capped attribute merits are a total of 360k XP, if you are thinking about STR vs. DEX and are THF, listen to experience, not speculation. STR merits will give you the milage you are looking for as a career THF.
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You actually think +3 attack from +5 Str merits is > +3acc, increased SA damage, and increased weaponskill damage from +5 Dex, for a thief? Gtfo of here. You may want to do some more research before spouting stuff from "your own experience."
 
Is Luna Subligar any good for THF on Full Moon, or is it more or less only good for BST use?

*edit* Grays, you're forgetting that STR increases WS damage whether it's a modifier or not. STR effects weapon damage in it's entirety. So even if it's not a mod, STR WILL = better WSes.
 
XGrayswanderX said:
Like I said, I'd only recommend DEX merits for a pure THF. DEX helps a small amount with overall accuracy on normal melee hits, Just like 5/5 Str adds 0.5-1.5 extra damage per hit. It's accuracy vs attack there. But as to Weaponskill damage and Sneak attack damage? You're just wrong if you're stacking Str gear as a THF on those.

As to a thiefs direct DOT, in a merit party situation, I see thieves that are TAing their WSs and normal SAing out parse Thieves who do the opposite. And guess what, Dex directly effects SA damage, just like Agi effects TA.





You actually think +3 attack from +5 Str merits is > +3acc, increased SA damage, and increased weaponskill damage from +5 Dex, for a thief? Gtfo of here. You may want to do some more research before spouting stuff from "your own experience."
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Ok dude. You can continue spouting off the crap everyone knows while you hack the game to pieces.

And yeah....You think I need to do more research. All I have given a shit about for years is THF. I've done my reasearch just fine. You obviously have not. I don't know how many more ways you can invalidate yourself.

In the mean time, I'll keep laughing at the few PMs I've gotten from people laughing at you and Mdk in this post. lol
 
Legomyeggo said:
Does anyone really stack on Chr for Dancing Edge? Sounds a bit ridiculous, lol.
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THFs that read that CHR mods DE will try it out and believe they are leet. Then they'll see that STR and DEX are the only things worth a bother.
Then Grays will tell everyone that it's a lolDEmod, and that STR affects WS in NO way. The noob THFs will flock to his "advice" like sheep...Because he likes to put Xs in him name. That's leet, yo. So is CHR for DE. All the way, bayybeeeeee.
 
Grayswander said:
Ever notice the THF AF2 gloves have Chr+ on them?
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I'm well aware that piece of equipment has Chr, but would anyone really choose to use other Chr gear over Str for Dancing Edge, considering Str revolves around any kind of physical damage.
 
This kinda reminds me of that drk "guide" Ruffy posted a while back where people were talking about loading up on mnd for Guillotine instead of str. Ah, good times.
 
XGrayswanderX said:
Ever notice the THF AF2 gloves have Chr+ on them?
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LOL

More THF equipment than that has CHR on it.
Apparently you never noticed how worthless it is.
CHR is the tits for THF WS. Fuck STR and DEX, let's merit CHR!
 
Mishaela said:
Is Luna Subligar any good for THF on Full Moon, or is it more or less only good for BST use?

*edit* Grays, you're forgetting that STR increases WS damage whether it's a modifier or not. STR effects weapon damage in it's entirety. So even if it's not a mod, STR WILL = better WSes.
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This is true Mishaela^^ And for every job but thief Id agree that STR is the best overall. You're forgetting though that DEX also helps Weaponskill accuracy "including" the chance of mult hit weaponskills to have criticals.

If you have a huge STR+ gear WS set up, but miss 3/5 of your Rampage swings, you're going to do the same amount or less damage than someone who hit 5/5 ramapage swings but has weaker STR gear.
 
XGrayswanderX said:
If you have a huge STR+ gear WS set up, but miss 3/5 of your Rampage swings, you're going to do the same amount or less damage than someone who hit 5/5 ramapage swings but has weaker STR gear.
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DEX isn't going to make up for not using the correct amount of +acc gear in your ws build, sorry to disappoint. The goal in parsing/experimenting with ws gear is to find out how much acc you can peel off to replace with str to optimize your output. And if you're fighting high VT to low IT mobs (ie Thickets) you should be eating sushi anyway. Meat is gimpsauce there.
 
Sneakypants said:
LOL

More THF equipment than that has CHR on it.
Apparently you never noticed how worthless it is.
CHR is the tits for THF WS. Fuck STR and DEX, let's merit CHR!
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You're making such an ass out of yourself. Do I really need to quote myself here?

XGrayswanderX said:
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Dancing Edge has a 30% Dex 40% Chr modifier, Obviously someone meriting Chr for enhanced Dancing Edge damage would be pointless
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Ok then.

What Im saying is that yeah sure, CHR helps the WS damage potential in Dancing Edge some, but it has no effect on Melee DOT. Dex effects accuracy and critical hit rate, Dex effects THF WS damage. You do the math.


Rappa said:
This kinda reminds me of that drk "guide" Ruffy posted a while back where people were talking about loading up on mnd for Guillotine instead of str. Ah, good times.
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For WSs with modifiers like Guillotine the secondary Attribute has to do with the "additional effect accuracy and potency" Rappa. Guillotines MND + is not for damage, it is for the silencing effect.
 
Um...sorry if I sound dumb, but was quite serious about Luna, cause I can't think of anything else THF can use til the L70s range. Is 2dex/2agi/10chr worse than something like AF pants or Feral Trousers overall?
 
The only attributes to merit, ever, are STR or INT. Period.

Also, the ONLY THF WS worth stacking monster DEX onto is Shark Bite, because its A)50% moddifier and B) Its only two hits, with the first being for the most damage.

DE? Some DEX, but more STR to balance out the deficiency you stated. DE is a meager 30% modifier on dex (lolCHR) and the hits aren't added damage hits, they're just normal melee hits. Thus, Attack/STR will net the biggest benifit to you over a monster DEX build.

Do Not Merit DEX. Ever. Just dont think about it. Get the Thunder ring instead.
 
XGrayswanderX said:
For WSs with modifiers like Guillotine the secondary Attribute has to do with the "additional effect accuracy and potency" Rappa. Guillotines MND + is not for damage, it is for the silencing effect.
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Your DRK is lvl 75 isn't it? You realize that TP affects silence on guillotine and not mind, right? mind is a dmg modifier for guillotine.
 
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