This is why teenagers don't run economies

[hellstorm]

honestly the frist mistake you where making was comparing 1 job to anouther. THF and MNk are 2 diffent job need 2 diffent style of fighting
gear is almost completely diffent. I still dont see big deal with 1 str like quitita said wait 3 more lvl and get a commander cape seem like a much better buy and spend that mil toward new rings. Unless you have a endless supply of gill like oden then spend to your heart content you can afford it

yes, but peregrin seems to think everyon with a foragers is a moron.

bc she dont have teh uberz gilz

he does have a point though you spending 1 mil on 1 more str when you can put that 1 mil on another items like new ring,weapon and make better ajustments in other slots. Now with he saying that having 1 is stupid, I belive is stupid thinking, but if he ment that the gil can go to better places and if you have everything you want then buy the 1 extra str that is good thinking. I think this is what he ment by that just his wording is a little off

there aren't many places at that lvl you can add 1 str for a mil.

ruby rings 150k 4 str/flame rings 2.5mil 5 str
minuet earring 1 str/triump earring 5.5mil
amemit mantle+1 1.3mil 2 str/foragers 2.5 mil 3str

i don't think there are other places to upgrade str from what is available. the people buying foragers are usually those set with gil. their craft or whatever is earning them gil is maxed out and they are looking for the extras.

peregrine is very clear that he thinks people with foragers. you don't have to make excuses for his foolishness, your stance is similar, but not closed minded to those that can afford it to go ahead and get the BETTER piece of equipment.

ok lets say you where a mnk you had your amenit plus +1 you hit 70 you have abou 1.2 mil in your bank. now you can sell your amemit +1 get your forgers or you can wait till 72 by this time you would have mad little more gil and would have enough for your flame ring or if you have not got your triump earring yet you can get that. Now this is going for though who have very little money but most you are on your secound or 3rd char so you have the money to spend on forgers. Me im still trying to raise money get my rdm better equipment so this seem alot for such alittle but owell do as you will and you have said what I wanted you to say that this item is for though who can afford it them that have uber money that they dont know what to do with it. :evil: can always send it to me if you dont know what to do with it :wink:

 

[Peregrine]

When people who buy forager's mantles for 2.6 million gil aren't waste of ping.

No where did I say the +1 STR lead to me ownz0ring him like you're causing yourself to believe, but rather that in every single nonskill hit, I did more damage. 80 damage over 1000 fights.

Ahahahahahahaaaaaa...you would pay 1.3 million gil to do 80 more damage over 1000 fights. There you go, ladies and gents. Game. Set. Match. Idiots. All yall are all up in the idiocy. Dude I hope that was a typo, because your jugular is severed if not and you all can go home. This one's over. You know, I wouldn't doubt that the difference between an amemet+1 wearer and a forager's wearer is 80 damage over 1000 fights.

Oh oh but darn. If you threw PEBBLES you'd do more than that over 100 fights! Go amemet!

 

[Acutie]

A mod should just end this now. It's going in circles because Pere isn't even considering anything anyone is saying and it's turning into petty cussing.

 

[meeze]

ok lets say you where a mnk you had your amenit plus +1 you hit 70 you have abou 1.2 mil in your bank. now you can sell your amemit +1 get your forgers or you can wait till 72 by this time you would have mad little more gil and would have enough for your flame ring or if you have not got your triump earring yet you can get that. Now this is going for though who have very little money but most you are on your secound or 3rd char so you have the money to spend on forgers. Me im still trying to raise money get my rdm better equipment so this seem alot for such alittle but owell do as you will and you have said what I wanted you to say that this item is for though who can afford it them that have uber money that they dont know what to do with it. :evil: can always send it to me if you dont know what to do with it :wink:

well, people would upgrade foragers first because it is cheaper to upgrade. 1.2 mil vs the other slots that are over 2mil to upgrade.

and i made a mistake, flames are nq lvl 74 rings, ruby rings' hq is triumph rings which are 4 mil each. either way, for melee other than rng, the foragers is a better piece of equip, not mandatory by any means, just better.

 

[Caerloc]

Ok, i can see he just chosed to ingore anything couldnt defend
with a valid point. Or come with the "you are an idiot reply" and
the "You are a gilbuyer" reply.

Ok then, we arent allowed to buy Foragers.
So lets break it down. Where is it ok to pay 1 mil
for an extra +1 str?

Apparently amemet-mantle +1, we can pay 1,295,000 for the extra
str there. But we cant pay another extra mil for another extra
1str on foragers right? Its better to keep the +15 ratk for my pebbles right?

Victory rings? Can we have those? Those are close to a mil
expensiver then the NQ and gives 1 more str.
(Im not even gonna ask about Flamerings versus ruby rings.
i can already hear you crying.)

Lets see. Can we have enkelados bracers over ogyogos?
(They are about 2 mil expensiver, but adds 2 str so i count
that as a 1mil/str)(And pallas = blasphemy and alkyones = mortal sin.)

Do i dear to ask for triumph earing?
Granted thats 4 mil for +1 extra str, but hey, im gonna toss
it out there.

Please help me out here peregrine. Tell me where its ok to
pay that extra 1,000,000 gil for an extra str.
If you can to, please explain why somethings are ok to pay
an extra 1,000,000 gil on 1 str, and some arent.

Now, if you say i shouldnt pay an extra 1,000,000 gil on 1 extra str on any of these, you do realize i loose out on a grand total of 5 str. Im not even counting the earings. And this is on things that are easy to get.
Without a bother. Think if we actually put some effort in to it and got lets say a pallas bracelet? And a triumph earing? wow. +4 more str.
Now we have +9. But it still doesnt show on a parser right?
And we could keep going you know. We could keep getting that filthy,
useless HQ gear.


Or we can say its stupid.
And stick NQ and have about 15str less then the idiot.
But atleast our saved "Capped events" gear didnt get magically incinerated.

 

[Bajaratt]

When people who buy forager's mantles for 2.6 million gil aren't waste of ping.

No where did I say the +1 STR lead to me ownz0ring him like you're causing yourself to believe, but rather that in every single nonskill hit, I did more damage. 80 damage over 1000 fights.

Ahahahahahahaaaaaa...you would pay 1.3 million gil to do 80 more damage over 1000 fights. There you go, ladies and gents. Game. Set. Match. Idiots. All yall are all up in the idiocy. Dude I hope that was a typo, because your jugular is severed if not and you all can go home. This one's over. You know, I wouldn't doubt that the difference between an amemet+1 wearer and a forager's wearer is 80 damage over 1000 fights.

Oh oh but darn. If you threw PEBBLES you'd do more than that over 100 fights! Go amemet!

If your reading comprehension was up to speed, you'd remember that it was 80 more per fight, and that it was 8k difference over the course of the party. That's also with only 1 STR difference, so having more would increase

Hell, you're basically saying to save up your money and buy one of the rings instead. What everyone has been saying, is that this is the cheapest +1 STR that you can buy at that level. The fact that you can buy something else with the same boost for more money isn't the point.

 

[meeze]

When people who buy forager's mantles for 2.6 million gil aren't waste of ping.

No where did I say the +1 STR lead to me ownz0ring him like you're causing yourself to believe, but rather that in every single nonskill hit, I did more damage. 80 damage over 1000 fights.

Ahahahahahahaaaaaa...you would pay 1.3 million gil to do 80 more damage over 1000 fights. There you go, ladies and gents. Game. Set. Match. Idiots. All yall are all up in the idiocy. Dude I hope that was a typo, because your jugular is severed if not and you all can go home. This one's over. You know, I wouldn't doubt that the difference between an amemet+1 wearer and a forager's wearer is 80 damage over 1000 fights.

Oh oh but darn. If you threw PEBBLES you'd do more than that over 100 fights! Go amemet!

before you run out to your doctor to have some ribs removed so you can suck your own dick think about something. Makzilla and Skaw are two pimped out MNKs. i don't know all their gear, but i would guess flames maybe the str zm earring, triumphs the top notch shit.

i want to see the parser of the gimp peregrine version of a mnk going up against skaw. ruby rings, minuet(if that) etc. gaurantee your gimp version will get its doors blown.

 

[Peregrine]

When people who buy forager's mantles for 2.6 million gil aren't waste of ping.

No where did I say the +1 STR lead to me ownz0ring him like you're causing yourself to believe, but rather that in every single nonskill hit, I did more damage. 80 damage over 1000 fights.

Ahahahahahahaaaaaa...you would pay 1.3 million gil to do 80 more damage over 1000 fights. There you go, ladies and gents. Game. Set. Match. Idiots. All yall are all up in the idiocy. Dude I hope that was a typo, because your jugular is severed if not and you all can go home. This one's over. You know, I wouldn't doubt that the difference between an amemet+1 wearer and a forager's wearer is 80 damage over 1000 fights.

Oh oh but darn. If you threw PEBBLES you'd do more than that over 100 fights! Go amemet!

If your reading comprehension was up to speed, you'd remember that it was 80 more per fight, and that it was 8k difference over the course of the party. That's also with only 1 STR difference, so having more would increase

Hell, you're basically saying to save up your money and buy one of the rings instead. What everyone has been saying, is that this is the cheapest +1 STR that you can buy at that level. The fact that you can buy something else with the same boost for more money isn't the point.

And if your neurons were up to speed you could easily tell that his claim was bull****. 80% accuracy versus 90%? What...85 strength versus 84? And you're telling me the dude with 80% accuracy and one more strenght point beat the 90% accuracy meleer with one less?

I hope he was claiming that there was a total difference of 80, because 80 per fight? lol.

 

[Acutie]

God please end this! Someone else bitch about something else! I feel like I'm in a retarded cherrio.

 

[Peregrine]

Man, it's been over. The only thing forager's mantle owners have, other than -1,300,000 gil, is a false sense of superiority and my foot up their asses.

 

[Bajaratt]

Man, it's been over. The only thing forager's mantle owners have, other than -1,300,000 gil, is a false sense of superiority and my foot up their asses.

and the best back piece in the game, but minus the foot.

 

[Skaw]

Ahahahahahahaaaaaa...you would pay 1.3 million gil to do 80 more damage over 1000 fights. There you go, ladies and gents. Game. Set. Match. Idiots. All yall are all up in the idiocy. Dude I hope that was a typo, because your jugular is severed if not and you all can go home. This one's over. You know, I wouldn't doubt that the difference between an amemet+1 wearer and a forager's wearer is 80 damage over 1000 fights.

Oh oh but darn. If you threw PEBBLES you'd do more than that over 100 fights! Go amemet!

It was a typo and you know it, because I was in a rush to get to dinner.


And yes. Let's talk about the Pebbels. With all my haste gear on. I bring my melee delay to roughly the same standard use delay of a pebble. Why do 30 damage with a huge chance of missing when I can do upwards of 860 if I critical 4 hits and a kick?(185 x 4 + 120)

Look, the game is based off Ranges. You cannot bring a hard set of numbers into this arguement. If I do +1 damage every time because of that 1 STR, that adds up, no matter if your damage range before hand was 50-120, or 90-180. It increases your minimum damage regardless. It's not so much that I'm doing 1 more damage than Makzilla in the maximum, as much as it is that he also falls 1 damage behind in the minimum damage as well. That ends up giving me a potential +1, and Makzilla a potential -1.

 

[CubsWoo]

Skaw, check your PM's please.

 

[hellstorm]

When people who buy forager's mantles for 2.6 million gil aren't waste of ping.

No where did I say the +1 STR lead to me ownz0ring him like you're causing yourself to believe, but rather that in every single nonskill hit, I did more damage. 80 damage over 1000 fights.

Ahahahahahahaaaaaa...you would pay 1.3 million gil to do 80 more damage over 1000 fights. There you go, ladies and gents. Game. Set. Match. Idiots. All yall are all up in the idiocy. Dude I hope that was a typo, because your jugular is severed if not and you all can go home. This one's over. You know, I wouldn't doubt that the difference between an amemet+1 wearer and a forager's wearer is 80 damage over 1000 fights.

Oh oh but darn. If you threw PEBBLES you'd do more than that over 100 fights! Go amemet!

If your reading comprehension was up to speed, you'd remember that it was 80 more per fight, and that it was 8k difference over the course of the party. That's also with only 1 STR difference, so having more would increase

Hell, you're basically saying to save up your money and buy one of the rings instead. What everyone has been saying, is that this is the cheapest +1 STR that you can buy at that level. The fact that you can buy something else with the same boost for more money isn't the point.

i beg to differ if you where you buy 2 ruby rings for that mil you would have money left over and 2 extra str then you had.
if you went bought the flame you need more money but for each ring you would make 2 more then you had before.

 

[Skaw]

i beg to differ if you where you buy 2 ruby rings for that mil you would have money left over and 2 extra str then you had.
if you went bought the flame you need more money but for each ring you would make 2 more then you had before.

And it would cost you 4 times as much for +2 STR. Thats where this Mantle excels. It saves you gil, despite how much Peregrine disagrees.

 

[Bajaratt]

Once again, you're assuming that I, or anyone else, doesn't already have those ruby rings. What everyone is saying, is that assuming you have those rings, and at least the NQ of the other gear (where applicable), going from amemet +1 >> Forager's is the cheapest upgrade for an additional 1 STR. Yes, buying 2 rings would give you more STR, but that'd cost over twice as much, which isn't the point of the whole thing.

 

[Skaw]

And also, NO WHERE DID I SAY I OUTDAMAGED MAKZILLA IN THE BIG PICTURE. Way to bring up words that were never said, Peregrine. In Melee Damage, you know, punch punch, miss punch? I did 8k more than him.

In weaponskill damage, because he hit more often, he fired off more asuran fists, he outdamaged me there. That did bring him up to a total damage slightly higher than mine. But outside of Weaponskills, I had the upperhand.

You really should learn to read, I did mention this before.

We were realtively tied in overall damage, but had I not had the +1 STR from the Foragers? He would've been much higher than me.

 

[hellstorm]

Once again, you're assuming that I, or anyone else, doesn't already have those ruby rings. What everyone is saying, is that assuming you have those rings, and at least the NQ of the other gear (where applicable), going from amemet +1 >> Forager's is the cheapest upgrade for an additional 1 STR. Yes, buying 2 rings would give you more STR, but that'd cost over twice as much, which isn't the point of the whole thing.

well if I was going to assume that much I might as well say you have 50billion gil. per wrong for saying that this item is worthless<not including rng,thf,sam> but to say that it is the cheapest go for that frist wont be saving you money because you going to have to get the others regardless but getting the one that serve you better first in stats will help better in the long run because you would be doing more dmg you looking at it the other way you saying it would take time to get them money and in the mean time you will not have that 1 str. so really we are on oppsite sides but saying tha same thing

 

[Peregrine]

And also, NO WHERE DID I SAY I OUTDAMAGED MAKZILLA IN THE BIG PICTURE. Way to bring up words that were never said, Peregrine. In Melee Damage, you know, punch punch, miss punch? I did 8k more than him.

No you didn't. It's funny that I know your parse data more than you do, and you're the one that made it. Fatal flaw, kid. He had 90 acc. You had 80. And you claim that 1 strength trumps that. What part of the math do you not get? You are a LIAR.

 

[Skaw]

And also, NO WHERE DID I SAY I OUTDAMAGED MAKZILLA IN THE BIG PICTURE. Way to bring up words that were never said, Peregrine. In Melee Damage, you know, punch punch, miss punch? I did 8k more than him.

No you didn't. It's funny that I know your parse data more than you do, and you're the one that made it. Fatal flaw, kid. He had 90 acc. You had 80. And you claim that 1 strength trumps that. What part of the math do you not get? You are a LIAR.

Yeah.. why do I have a reason to lie about this? It's a game. Everything random there. Biiiiiiiiiiig key word there.

I have no reason to prove any "superiority" over someone like you, Peregrine. Or Makzilla for that matter, I've known him for a long time. There is no lie in these posts, unless the game itself was making up numbers, or Square somehow changed the way logs are written down to where the Parser screwed up what it read.

My results are just that. My results. Because of the way the game is structured, other people might have differing results. I might've got lucky. I might not. Theres no reason to demean +1 STR, just because you don't think it's worth it. Theres aslo the fact that any bonus given, is pretty much doubled in the sense of being a Monk, and any draw back doubled as well. Every two hits of an attack cycle had a chance of giving me +2 more damage than Makzilla, and him -2 damage compared to me.


Your shortsightedness is your downfall in this thread. Why it's degenerated the way it has.

Someone have a situation that shows you're wrong? Call them a liar. Hey's it's easier than fessing up and saying that it works for some, but not others.