This is why teenagers don't run economies

[TiyaKelth]

Another thing that no one's touched on is the fact that even if the difference individually is small (a mnk with all +1 only doing a little bit more damage than a mnk with all NQ), there's still 5 other members in your party, and for end game 17+ other members in your alliance. So multiply the difference by that number of people, and you start seeing HUGE improvements.

Unfortunately that will never actually happen because of gimps like Pere who won't go all out (or even a little ways out) for their team.

 

[Skaw]

Only 70 damage a punch? WHATTA GIMP GO FARM IGE

I was talking low end, nonberserk punch

 

[CubsWoo]

yeah probably on your stupid skeletons you ruffian

 

[Skaw]

Okay. I was in a Bones Bashing PT with Makzilla and Xion two nights ago.

The difference between me and Makzilla? +1 STR, to the T. 70+30(me) vs. 75+24(Makzilla)

The damage difference over 105 fights? Melee: 8k in my favor.

80 Damage a fight. How the fuck can you say thats insignificant? Thats a free hits worth of damage added. Well, a free hit for a Monk, not necessarily a dinky gimp thief.


I do have these results saved, I just need to figure out how to import them into the parser to come up.

 

[random hero]

what the FUCK are you going to spend your momey on other then to get good gear?? crafting to make more gil? then what ??? lets save this money we got so we can say we have money and get all gimp stuff!!! but at least you will have money

 

[random hero]

edit: money lol

 

[Peregrine]

You then deflected into, "but there are better things for someone to do with 1.3 mil." This is indeed true, but say that this player is entirely well of, has the best they can have other than this, why not splash out another 1.3 mil if you can afford it.
...It's about players that want the best, though of course, the best stats wise is relative to job and race.

I probably have as much if not more assets than half the people in this thread. They're not well off and have nothing better to buy. They're just unoriginal, so they don't see the alternatives.

It's not about players who want the best. It's about players who think they're better. They're really not, but they paid gil regardless, so the only way they can get their money's worth is to claim that they're so much better than everyone else.

 

[hellstorm]

35 a hit? Acid bolt that lowers defense? If I hit on the pull then hit on the incoming when I'm at camp and am too far away to melee, that's 70 damage, regardless of how much acid bolting improves my DPS. So yes. Be sure that those bolts I'm landing are helping my DPS out. And yours, because SOMEONE has to improve it. You're certainly not with your strawman mantle.

OH WOW! 70 damage! So 1 punch in my case. :?

How many dagger hits do you think you score during each fight?

Even if +1 STR only added 1 damage a hit, it'd be close to 70 damage, yet it would still be considered "insignificant" why?

i can see this for a rng or thf or sammy because they use rang attack more then other jobs and +1 str does not make that much a diffence to pay a extra mil for. For a monk i could see going for the +1 str item because you dont use range weapons. The world of FFXI have many diffent choice for gear which give you diffent stats to call someone stupid because the pick a item that is better suited to them is stupid. Your equip you where is based on lot of things ie job, race, stats you trying to raise, and other item you already have.

 

[Peregrine]

Another thing that no one's touched on is the fact that even if the difference individually is small (a mnk with all +1 only doing a little bit more damage than a mnk with all NQ), there's still 5 other members in your party, and for end game 17+ other members in your alliance. So multiply the difference by that number of people, and you start seeing HUGE improvements.

Unfortunately that will never actually happen because of gimps like Pere who won't go all out (or even a little ways out) for their team.

Your party is 1.5% better in total stats. So you can do what? If fights last 60 seconds...so you can take that half of a second gained in each fight and do what with it?

Post how much better you are with it, that's all. Your stats don't add up to jack squat. Gimp parties are made by gimp formations and terrible equipment decisions. It has nothing to do with the quality of their gear so long as it is adequate. Paying 1.3 million more for nothing is simply vain. If you admit it, that's fine. If you think you're better, you're simply an ignorant elitist. So why pay more? Vanity. Admit that you're blowing money on worthlessness.

 

[Skaw]

I probably have as much if not more assets than half the people in this thread. They're not well off and have nothing better to buy. They're just unoriginal, so they don't see the alternatives.

It's not about players who want the best. It's about players who think they're better. They're really not, but they paid gil regardless, so the only way they can get their money's worth is to claim that they're so much better than everyone else.

Since when did quantity > quality in an MMO?


So what if you have 80 sets of incremented gear? What does that do for you for the remaining majority of the game? What does that do for your EXP parties on THF? What does that do for your alliances taking down uncapped missions? What does that do for your alliances camping HNMs/Gods? Where does it get you in the end? How does it make you stand out? How does it honestly make you "better" for the biggest of the game?

Eat shit, shut the fuck up. You've lost this arguement. "Oh, having the best armor you can doesn't make you the best" isn't a valid arguement on a game mostly influenced by Attribute increases and very little anything else.

 

[random hero]

if you guys piss and cry over 2 items almost alike and which is better plz dont play WoW

 

[hellstorm]

if you guys piss and cry over 2 items almost alike and which is better plz dont play WoW

you quit you dont have a say anymore go play your WoW :twisted:

 

[Skaw]

i can see this for a rng or thf or sammy because they use rang attack more then other jobs and +1 str does not make that much a diffence to pay a extra mil for. For a monk i could see going for the +1 str item because you dont use range weapons. The world of FFXI have many diffent choice for gear which give you diffent stats to call someone stupid because the pick a item that is better suited to them is stupid. Your equip you where is based on lot of things ie job, race, stats you trying to raise, and other item you already have.

If a THF is sitting back and shooting bolts while I'm PT leader, they're getting the fucking boot for not getting up and meleeing to build TP up for the SATA.

 

[Peregrine]

Lol you really are dumber than I thought. K, you boot that thief for hitting an acid bolt on the pull, fleeing back to camp, then hitting another one. Lowering the mob's defense.

Any other FFXI forum would laugh their ass off at your comments. Acid bolts are huge. The hilarity of qcdn is that you all are *just* that sheltered.

 

[random hero]

if you guys piss and cry over 2 items almost alike and which is better plz dont play WoW

you quit you dont have a say anymore go play your WoW :twisted:

ok

 

[Elemmire]

if you guys piss and cry over 2 items almost alike and which is better plz dont play WoW

you quit you dont have a say anymore go play your WoW :twisted:

ok

atleast he'll get something done in WoW :\

 

[Skaw]

Lol you really are dumber than I thought. K, you boot that thief for hitting an acid bolt on the pull, fleeing back to camp, then hitting another one. Lowering the mob's defense.

Any other FFXI forum would laugh their ass off at your comments. Acid bolts are huge. The hilarity of qcdn is that you all are *just* that sheltered.

Did I say that? I wasn't even talk to you. I was referring to a THF taking "full use" of the Amemet+1 to only shoot bolts. The Ranged Attack+ from the Amemet will be severely overshadowed by the +1 STR of the Foragers over time. Exactly how much do you think your Ranged Attack+ is increasing your DPS on bolts? I can guarantee you, since it's a C-Grade skill for thief, it's not much.

 

[hellstorm]

if you guys piss and cry over 2 items almost alike and which is better plz dont play WoW

you quit you dont have a say anymore go play your WoW :twisted:

ok

or even better come back to FF then you can have a say agian 8)

 

[hellstorm]

Lol you really are dumber than I thought. K, you boot that thief for hitting an acid bolt on the pull, fleeing back to camp, then hitting another one. Lowering the mob's defense.

Any other FFXI forum would laugh their ass off at your comments. Acid bolts are huge. The hilarity of qcdn is that you all are *just* that sheltered.

Did I say that? I wasn't even talk to you. I was referring to a THF taking "full use" of the Amemet+1 to only shoot bolts. The Ranged Attack+ from the Amemet will be severely overshadowed by the +1 STR of the Foragers over time. Exactly how much do you think your Ranged Attack+ is increasing your DPS on bolts? I can guarantee you, since it's a C-Grade skill for thief, it's not much.

and did I say that no but ive seen good thf that while they are reposioning for tick attack shoot off a bolt I never said that they only sit back and shoot bolts

 

[Skaw]

and did I say that no but ive seen good thf that while they are reposioning for tick attack shoot off a bolt I never said that they only sit back and shoot bolts

Then why wear an Amemet+1 at all in the first place if they can get the benefit of STR+1(increase in melee and weaponskill damage) so they can add a whole 3 damage to the 1-2 bolts they shoot a fight? It doesn't make any sense. Face it. Amemet+1 is obsolete in any way conceivable, unless you're a Ranger.