Tiny Gripe 2.0

[Ruffyreborn]

/shrug.

Can't blame someone for wanting to maximize efficiency.

ya, I know.. Just many pt configurations cant get that 10-15k/hr exp, so gotta exp in old places that we all remember

 

[meeze]

Yeah.. because people would rather go back to the 6k/hr average in the days before ToAU... than building a proper cannon in a ToAU zone and getting 15k/hr+? That makes sense.

6k an hour was a very good party pre ToAU. 4k-5k was the norm. I got 8k in 1/2 an hour once in bibikibay, and several 10k-15k parties as DRK leeching on cannon set ups. RNG prepatch netted about 6-10k/hr on average.

2-4k/hr parties were what tons of parties without great set ups were doing.

 

[Blazeoffury]

6k an hour was a very good party pre ToAU. 4k-5k was the norm. I got 8k in 1/2 an hour once in bibikibay, and several 10k-15k parties as DRK leeching on cannon set ups. RNG prepatch netted about 6-10k/hr on average.

2-4k/hr parties were what tons of parties without great set ups were doing.

Remember the good o' Deco cannons

 

[Blancho]

Miss post.

 

[Shyrra]

6k an hour was a very good party pre ToAU. 4k-5k was the norm. I got 8k in 1/2 an hour once in bibikibay, and several 10k-15k parties as DRK leeching on cannon set ups. RNG prepatch netted about 6-10k/hr on average.

2-4k/hr parties were what tons of parties without great set ups were doing.

Well, when I built my parties, 6k was the norm... I always waited for a decent setup, not crap parties.

Deco cannons were the shit... 10k/hr in Sky was pretty impressive back in the day...

 

[meeze]

Well, when I built my parties, 6k was the norm... I always waited for a decent setup, not crap parties.

Parties I made rarely sucked, but just go read the elitist ranger threads and count how many people used to be happy with 2.5k an hour.

People didn't aggree with leaving a 3.5k an hour PT because it was good. Well on RNG and NIN it wasn't worth it because I could do better, but on other jobs like SAM or DRK i would settle sometimes getting invited to a 3k an hour party.

5-6k was a great set up, anything above that was pretty much cannon style.

 

[meeze]

Remember the good o' Deco cannons

Man, did a deco party like 2 months ago, I'm never XPing in that shithole every again.

 

[Blazeoffury]

Man, did a deco party like 2 months ago, I'm never XPing in that shithole every again.

I still love decos, but they do suck horrendously unless pulled right.

 

[Meximan]

deco's are still fun, but only if you have some good stunners for it other wise its crap getting AoE'd every 5-8sec.

Oh yeah and dont forget to include drk in that cannon pt set up, if your atleast above average you can match most of the wars out there in many of the cannon pts if you know what your doing.

 

[Neolink]

Good thing I "DC"d.

lol coward

 

[meeze]

lol coward

I've told plenty of parties they sucked, not always in the mood to tell noobs like it is.

 

[Ruffyreborn]

deco's are still fun, but only if you have some good stunners for it other wise its crap getting AoE'd every 5-8sec.

Oh yeah and dont forget to include drk in that cannon pt set up, if your atleast above average you can match most of the wars out there in many of the cannon pts if you know what your doing.

only thing drk gotta do to match a wars damage is use their abilities at the right time

 

[Mishaela]

Totally agree with the OP, but to add on more...I hate when the party's not only not a cannon, but they party tries to behave like a cannon regardless. It annoys the crap out of me how often people just throw out their WSes without looking at whats going on, it's like every other fight a WS is going to totally miss because a Puk throws out it's AOE Flash, or the NIN closes Detonation after I go and the WS becomes more or less wasted all the same. Alot of the time people full buff and throw out WSes when they mobs below 10%, or even funnier, not even by them anymore. =/

It's really worrysome. If it's not a cannon then they need some kindof tactical setup. If they can't manage that much, how can they succeed later on during things that need seriously strategizing? Very rarely does "just throw melee at it" work well, y'know?

 

[Westyle]

My absence is causing a decrease in XP party efficiency.... I can not let this continue... Yet, I must complete my college work.... and Final Fantasy 12... and whatever Wii games come out in this down time.

 

[Vilurum]

It's sad but true that everyone who wants to do a *lot* of meriting (not just 21 merits to max out a weapon or so, but like 100+, 150+, 200+ to really max out lots of stuff) would probably be better off levelling a merit cannon princess job to 75 to earn merits for their first job. Well, unless the first job was already a merit cannon princess job (which does cover a third of the jobs - 6/18, BRD RDM WHM WAR MNK NIN - so this isn't terribly unlikely).

Plus you get job diversity this way, especially if the princess job of choice had a different party role than the previous job. (Tangential comment: There's more to be said of job diversity about someone who has, say, BLM PLD MNK WHM COR levelled, than about someone who has DRK DRG THF MNK WAR RNG SAM levelled, for example.)

Of course, there's nothing wrong with wanting to get the merits on the non-cannon jobs either, but it *is* foolish to expect similar exp/hr (or invite) rates. And if you're *not* interested in the merit cannon princess job in its own right, then levelling it to 75 is kind of a waste of time if the *only* reason is to earn merits.

 

[Artem]

now days most people have one of those 6 jobs leveled, they are the most popular among jobs

what I don't like is when you are invited to a cannon pt with 3 wars 1 nin rdm brd, but the melees just hit 75 and well they just plain suck for now :\ that's not cannon either

People will always strive for more efficient method of obtaining merits, b/c there's a lot more exp involved with merits than actually getting a job to 75... and yeah 9-10k in cannon style is rather pathetic nowdays lol I guess that was okay on deco's before toau

 

[Neolink]

[-:=--=__The Official Thread Created Strictly to Worship Meeze]////

Moved and made as a new thread.

 

[Khajit]

Plus you get job diversity this way, especially if the princess job of choice had a different party role than the previous job. (Tangential comment: There's more to be said of job diversity about someone who has, say, BLM PLD MNK WHM COR levelled, than about someone who has DRK DRG THF MNK WAR RNG SAM levelled, for example.)

Drk on average do only 10%ish damage in a party so far during my exp/merit sessions. only 3 samples so far but I didnt see any of em in omg retard gear. Unless the drk is a very good one and not an average one chances are they will do shit damage vs cannon jobs in a cannon pt.

THF:
How shall I put this.....over the course of leveling ninja to 75 and meriting on ninja 90% or higher of all THF SUCK ASS.
Since lv 60 I have seen 3 THF actually use /equip macros. Others have lv 54 nq rings on from lv 72 where you can get an cheap upgrade to your dex and agi values before the lv 74 rings and beyond.
Hume thf have af gloves on and no RSE gloves minimum. I picked the lock for those gloves as a lv 27 NOOB. People do not have them at lv 75.
Unless a thf is known to be able do do thier job right in no way is THF a cannon job. There are just far too many shitty players on that job. Let's not even get into Zaus and his thf mainhanding the brigandish blade knife at 75.

As you may have guessed bad thf is my tiny gripe.

 

[Uzor]

see, this is what I mean. Not everyone in game is one of those 4 jobs, lol, but people seem to think they should be. Lets remove all jobs in FFXI except for NIN, WAR, BRD and WHM. That should be PERFECT. No offense meant to you, but the other jobs have to lv some way

am I the only one who loves good SAM's and DRK's?

Anyway. If you get less then 6k/hr nowadays... the party sucks. On none of my jobs since RDM have I ever been in a party that get less then 6k/hr. On BLU, the very least I'd get (except for one party) was 8k/hr. 6k/hr even in Valkurm is ridiculously easy to get.

Drk on average do only 10%ish damage in a party so far during my exp/merit sessions. only 3 samples so far but I didnt see any of em in omg retard gear. Unless the drk is a very good one and not an average one chances are they will do shit damage vs cannon jobs in a cannon pt.

You must party with some very bad DRK's...

 

[Tim Wakefield]

This thread is ghey. Who said DRG SAM and DRK are cannon jobs?

OP posts
Everyone agrees
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Profit?

Sounds like an ass-kissing extravaganza to me.