Tiny Gripe 2.0

Khajit said:
Drk on average do only 10%ish damage in a party so far during my exp/merit sessions. only 3 samples so far but I didnt see any of em in omg retard gear. Unless the drk is a very good one and not an average one chances are they will do shit damage vs cannon jobs in a cannon pt.
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I know on my DRK I can usually keep up with most WARs, usually trailing by a few percent. Now I don't have any God gear, so those DRK must be very bad.
 
Shyrra said:
Some people like to think DRG, DRK, and SAM are high output DD jobs... lol.
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Perhaps you should parse my damage some time in a TP burn party before making such general statements. I merit as SAM/NIN and eat meat dishes, and get invited to cannons all the time. Parses don't lie. I run even damagewise with the WAR's, NIN's, MNK's, and parse ahead of some of them. Last cannon I was even dmg with the NIN after 4 hrs, 1% dmg behind the WAR, and 2% dmg behind a MNK, getting 20K an hr. That's pretty equal to me.(MNK did use 2 hr) I have capped SAM merits, 112 merits invested overall in my SAM alone. Oh and the line up was BRD WHM NIN SAM WAR MNK
 
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phishn said:
Perhaps you should parse my damage some time in a TP burn party before making such general statements. I merit as SAM/NIN and eat meat dishes, and get invited to cannons all the time. Parses don't lie. I run even damagewise with the WAR's, NIN's, MNK's, and parse ahead of some of them. Last cannon I was even dmg with the NIN after 4 hrs, 1% dmg behind the WAR, and 2% dmg behind a MNK, getting 20K an hr. That's pretty equal to me.(MNK did use 2 hr) I have capped SAM merits, 112 merits invested overall in my SAM alone. Oh and the line up was BRD WHM NIN SAM WAR MNK
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qft. Unless every SAM and DRK that person have partied with just sucks, he can't know anything about the job.

Either that or he never bothered even trying to exp with those jobs before because of the "lolSAM, emoDRK" thingy that all bandwagoners jump on.
 
I'm tired of all these jobs with pets saying they are soloing.
 
Uzor said:
am I the only one who loves good SAM's and DRK's?
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I R DRK main, so I love drk, but I know their limitations due to the FFXI user base

Edit: Oh ya, and to some other posters, the onry reason I have found that WAR's outdamage me (I dont mean just by a few variating %) is if they have Juggernaut & KC, or Juggy alone in itself with another axe. The reason most war's will outdamage DRK in your pt's is that the DRK doesnt use Souleater effectively. We all gotta remember: A drk that doesnt use souleater is just a war without those many buffs. A drk that does use souleater is the king melee DD in the pt. idk about you, but I believe drk is the only job that can score critical hits for more than what some of the PT's WS's do.
 
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Khajit said:
Let's not even get into Zaus and his thf mainhanding the brigandish blade knife at 75.
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I know you just said let's not, but just wtf??!
 
Uzor said:
am I the only one who loves good SAM's and DRK's?
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nope /raises hand
 
The reason cannon jobs are favored is because they don't need much more than weapons to be effective. This means you dont have to use the idiot factor when selecting jobs for a pt.

When you don't know the people seeking, the safest bet is cannon jobs since 9/10 you're going to end up with idiots anyway, might as well be idiots that have idiot-proof jobs.
 
meeze said:
The reason cannon jobs are favored is because they don't need much more than weapons to be effective. This means you dont have to use the idiot factor when selecting jobs for a pt.

When you don't know the people seeking, the safest bet is cannon jobs since 9/10 you're going to end up with idiots anyway, might as well be idiots that have idiot-proof jobs.
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you'll be surprised how many idiots can screw up idiot-proof jobs.
 
Meximan said:
Oh yeah and dont forget to include drk in that cannon pt set up, if your atleast above average you can match most of the wars out there in many of the cannon pts if you know what your doing.
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Maybe the gimp wars, but if you want to come close to the damage of a good war or mnk, you're going to be subbing war or sam, and becoming a MP sponge, on top of that souleater MP sponge action. When you start draining healer MP, that's less hastes that get cast, slowing everyone down.

A fully merited drk/drg/sam/thf/whatever melee will outdamage a new to 75 war/mnk/nin, but that's not a fair comparison. Compare yourself to the fully merited and well geared if you want to draw a comparison, and you'll come up short.
 
Uzor said:
you'll be surprised how many idiots can screw up idiot-proof jobs.
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Main point is that you're just as likely to get an idiot sam/drk/drg as you are an idiot war. the idiot war will more often than not outparse the idiot sam/drk/drgs.
 
Idiot war/nins can (but won't) voke adds and stuff. Idiot (othermelee)/nins can't.
 
Stouter said:
Maybe the gimp wars, but if you want to come close to the damage of a good war or mnk, you're going to be subbing war or sam, and becoming a MP sponge, on top of that souleater MP sponge action. When you start draining healer MP, that's less hastes that get cast, slowing everyone down.

A fully merited drk/drg/sam/thf/whatever melee will outdamage a new to 75 war/mnk/nin, but that's not a fair comparison. Compare yourself to the fully merited and well geared if you want to draw a comparison, and you'll come up short.
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qft

also don't you just hate monks who want to sub war in cannon just so they get epeen++ for doing more dmg than other melees

I hate them so much, they end up being mp sponge in most areas (except like something mires where most of the dmg comes from AOE anyways)
 
meeze said:
The reason cannon jobs are favored is because they don't need much more than weapons to be effective. This means you dont have to use the idiot factor when selecting jobs for a pt.

When you don't know the people seeking, the safest bet is cannon jobs since 9/10 you're going to end up with idiots anyway, might as well be idiots that have idiot-proof jobs.
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QFT
The fact one woud have to be incredibly stupid to mess up at war/nin/mnk means you can easily guage how well that job will just from a casual glance at thier gear as gear is really one of the only factors in war/mk/ddnin output vs others that require skill.
There are no alternate sata/jump/meditate/ect macros to consider for how decently they perform vs what you first see em in. The ws gear on a war/nin/mnk is also very close to thier tp gear so you wont have trouble mistaking a war in decent tp gear for having decent ws gear as well.
More imortantly like meeze said the chances of a stupid cannon job screwing up your exp is less than that of a thf that cant sata or a drk that can't manage hate.

Thers also the factor where jobs that dont get invites fast lv a cannon job and as a result already have pimped gear for the cannon job. (thf with hecat dusk ect going as a war as an example)
 
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phishn said:
Perhaps you should parse my damage some time in a TP burn party before making such general statements. I merit as SAM/NIN and eat meat dishes, and get invited to cannons all the time. Parses don't lie. I run even damagewise with the WAR's, NIN's, MNK's, and parse ahead of some of them. Last cannon I was even dmg with the NIN after 4 hrs, 1% dmg behind the WAR, and 2% dmg behind a MNK, getting 20K an hr. That's pretty equal to me.(MNK did use 2 hr) I have capped SAM merits, 112 merits invested overall in my SAM alone. Oh and the line up was BRD WHM NIN SAM WAR MNK
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You're not the norm.

An extremely pimp ***(insert melee DD) can outdamage -most- WARs, MNKs, and NINs.. because -most- of them think just because they're the cannon jobs, they can cruise. Honestly, they're right. A SAM will not outdamage a decked out WAR 99% of the time. I don't know what the 1% is.. but I'm sure it's happened.
 
Uzor said:
you'll be surprised how many idiots can screw up idiot-proof jobs.
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Khajit said:
QFT
The fact one woud have to be incredibly stupid to mess up at war/nin/mnk means you can easily guage how well that job will just from a casual glance at thier gear as gear is really one of the only factors in war/mk/ddnin output vs others that require skill.
There are no alternate sata/jump/meditate/ect macros to consider for how decently they perform vs what you first see em in. The ws gear on a war/nin/mnk is also very close to thier tp gear so you wont have trouble mistaking a war in decent tp gear for having decent ws gear as well.
More imortantly like meeze said the chances of a stupid cannon job screwing up your exp is less than that of a thf that cant sata or a drk that can't manage hate.

Thers also the factor where jobs that dont get invites fast lv a cannon job and as a result already have pimped gear for the cannon job. (thf with hecat dusk ect going as a war as an example)
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that was probably the most ignorant thing I have ever heard said about cannon melees
 
Rappa said:
Idiot war/nins can (but won't) voke adds and stuff. Idiot (othermelee)/nins can't.
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Dunno, seems equally idiotic to voke the add and wait for the moron RDM and/or BLM to toss out a sleep only once
a. You drop into the red
b. You die
c. Healer drops into the red from curebombing you
d. Healer dies
e. You/the party scream at them multiple times to sleep the add
f. Any combination of the above.
 
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