UFO kidnap an Photographer who took a pic of "UFO" ship

[Anttaru]

may I inquire as to exactly where we have acquired the exact descriptions and names, social patterns, and such of these E.T.s?

Where does one manage to come across this info? did like, one come down and speak to us in public, describe it's life, and I missed the video broadcast of it or something?

If not, there is no credit to the descriptions of these E.T.s.

Very good question.

As you know there are people around the world that claim to have been abducted. They all describe the Aliens in the same way. Doesn't matter if the abducted is from Mexico or Africa. They all describe the experience the same.

There are people around the world that claim to have seen UFO's. Even in the masses. This year alone we've had a lot of coverage. This happened quite a number of times. Many of them refuse to be interviewed. But the witnesses that are interviewed, all say the same thing.

Looking at Ancient civilizations. They knew things they would have absolutly no way of knowing. The Sumerians knew about DNA and depicted the Double Helix in the form of twin snakes, they believed the Serpent God created Adam. Still up to this day the snake is a symbol of medical care. Why is that ?

The Mayan calendars accuracy. If it were recorded without a computer, it would have taken over 5,000 years to record the positioning of the heavens. The Mayans knew of all the bodies in the solar system including Pluto. One doesn't just look up into the sky and Pluto and Charon is visible. The Sumerians even depicted Sedna. A body we discovered beyond Plutos orbit in 2003.

Astronomers are blown away by the accuracy of the Mesoamerican calendar which evolved into the Mayan calendar. These ancient civilizations are said to have been in contact with Aliens. Their temples are filled with illustrations that depict the galaxy, and even up to now how correct they always were as we unfold the mysteries with space telescopes is staggering.

A description of our heliocentric solar system

How did the Sumerian's acquire this data ?


Government Officials from around the world came out to support the claim that there is indeed a phenomenon that needs to be acknowledged.

UFO COnference 2007


One cannot just pose as someone with such stature and meaning to a country on national television and get away with it. It can cause an international uproar and the impersonator will face some harsh penalties. This is not the first time CNN covered this topic.

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On a personal note I believe this, and i also believe what has been passed down to me all my life, is a lie which will eventually be staged by E.T's.. Every now and then I go to church with my God daughter. I contemplate pulling her out of the religion, but then there will be conflict with the God Mother and other family. That is a little off topic, but i can understand the effect of falsehoods and ignorance better than anyone here... The thing is, with all the evidence, i don't see any reason not to believe in the fingerprints these E.T.'s left behind.

The Andromedians on the other hand are known through a type of person known as a "Contactee" All of which describe the Andromedians to be the same, and even deliver the same messages. It's pretty much because of the Andromedians we know of the Reptoids and their partnership with the Grey's. Actually the Greys are on the Reptoids nut sacks, and everything the Greys do to us is for the Reptiles. Anyone who came accross a Grey will tell you about a foul stench that resonates from them.

If the Andromedians were to assist us, it will effect their reality and our growth of evolution. We need to raise consciousness on our own in order to achieve enlightenment. Independence is key to evolution. The reason why the consider us royalty is because they claim we have 22 genes of Lyrian DNA inside of us. Andromedians suggest the Reptiles are bad ass. They have no friends and have no intentions of making any. Andromedians also suggest the Reptiods were banished from their original Universe.

I believe in all this, and much of what we were taught are really lies of the Reptiod Extra terrestrials. There really are a lot of details that collide with history and the even the Bible. For one to know more about this type of stuff. All you need to do is look.

 

[Anttaru]

I'm not so sure about scientologists I don't think I would admire them so much. I remember hearing the creator of the religion being quoted for something like "The best way to make money is to start your own religion." or something along the lines of that. But hey don't get me wrong anything is possible it's just improbable at times.

There is much truth in that. It's not pretty, but if one were to make their own religion, or pull a Benny Hinn or something, That person will have some sweet doe in their bank account.

Like it or not we shouldn't try to bury truth because it's upsetting.

 

[Anttaru]

Ant, you need to stop turning threads into your opinionated arguments with all these damn tl;dr posts. It just kills the threads man.

Not forcing anyone into anything here. Even though i don't believe the video in the OP, I'm bound to open my mouth in threads like these.

My intentions are not to argue with anyone either. Questions came my way and i answered them. Now there is a heap of things to talk about. It's not my doing.

 

[Excalibur]

And just how exactly do you know all this?

 

[masterorion]

There is much truth in that. It's not pretty, but if one were to make their own religion, or pull a Benny Hinn or something, That person will have some sweet doe in their bank account.

Like it or not we shouldn't try to bury truth because it's upsetting.

this does happen. not as much anymore. myself, im an apistolic luthern. i totally denounce what they practice because i find it to be total bs. anywho... luthernism was started by martin luther. nothing but a normal guy that wanted to put a twist into christianity by adding a few rules to what christianity already had. now, apistolic lutherns added on even more. and as time progresses, more and more gets added. apistolics believe that movies and other forms of entertainment are the devils playground, hence making these luxuries, forbidden. they also believe in making a vagina a clown car by making huge families. (family nearby with 23 kids, no lie)
but back on topic, religion will always have spins put on them by people. some may try to create their own. some people call these cults. however, at the same time, who can say that religion as a whole isnt a cult as well. just not the type of cult that is of david coresh(sp?)

 

[Tristam Green]

There is much truth in that. It's not pretty, but if one were to make their own religion, or pull a Benny Hinn or something, That person will have some sweet doe in their bank account.

Like it or not we shouldn't try to bury truth because it's upsetting.

Except that Benny Hinn didn't rewrite the Bible, nor did he write his own Holy Texts and create his own Laws.

The difference like L. Ron Fucking Hubbard and Benny Hinn (a dirtbag in his own right) or any other number of televangelists is that Hubbard distinctly created his own religion (probably for the lulz), and Hinn et al are giving their interpretations of the Bible and are spreading their own style of Christianity. A denomination of an existing faith != a new religion.

Not forcing anyone into anything here. Even though i don't believe the video in the OP, I'm bound to open my mouth in threads like these.

My intentions are not to argue with anyone either. Questions came my way and i answered them. Now there is a heap of things to talk about. It's not my doing.

bullshit. Just like any other thread you go ga-ga for, you shit your mouth off hoping to strongarm anyone else from the conversation, and by picking apart quoted messages, you are looking for a good old argument. I know, because I have done it to many folks in the flameboard.

And just how exactly do you know all this?

There can be only one solution!

Anttaru has been watching entirely too damn much The Last Starfighter.

 

[Anttaru]

Except that Benny Hinn didn't rewrite the Bible, nor did he write his own Holy Texts and create his own Laws.

The difference like L. Ron Fucking Hubbard and Benny Hinn (a dirtbag in his own right) or any other number of televangelists is that Hubbard distinctly created his own religion (probably for the lulz), and Hinn et al are giving their interpretations of the Bible and are spreading their own style of Christianity. A denomination of an existing faith != a new religion.

You think Benny Hinn is a worthy demonstration of faith ? Sorry, He hasn't the power to heal, and he is very rich from tricking Christians. L. Ron Hubbard at least tells it like it is. Benny Hinn is clearly the lesser of the two.

bullshit. Just like any other thread you go ga-ga for, you shit your mouth off hoping to strongarm anyone else from the conversation, and by picking apart quoted messages, you are looking for a good old argument. I know, because I have done it to many folks in the flameboard.

That's your assumption. The truth is i haven't, as you say, strong armed anyone from this conversation. I've replied to everyone who is talking to me.

Picking apart or quoting someone is considerably good conversation. Sure Uzor and i often rough house. We don't always agree with one another which is fine. It's still worth while for me to debate with him cause he's more mature than most of you. But you Tristam. Have this never ending grudge against me.

There can be only one solution!

Anttaru has been watching entirely too damn much The Last Starfighter.

For what it's worth, I've never seen Star fighter. "V" is more like it. Or Star Trek.

Jokes aside. You want to fight me, here's your chance to redeem yourself from whatever I've done to you.

Between 2 friends, one is the head, and the other is the tail. What are you and Stine ? I have my opinions about you both, and being fond of neither of you, I know which of the two of you has a better heart, and should be more dominant in whatever relationship you two have, for the sake of all who surround you.

Sorry to ask such a question, but i figured you wanted to scrap with me, with all this shit I'm hearing from you, plus the endless provoking and what not.

 

[Anttaru]

this does happen. not as much anymore. myself, im an apistolic luthern. i totally denounce what they practice because i find it to be total bs. anywho... luthernism was started by martin luther. nothing but a normal guy that wanted to put a twist into christianity by adding a few rules to what christianity already had. now, apistolic lutherns added on even more. and as time progresses, more and more gets added. apistolics believe that movies and other forms of entertainment are the devils playground, hence making these luxuries, forbidden. they also believe in making a vagina a clown car by making huge families. (family nearby with 23 kids, no lie)
but back on topic, religion will always have spins put on them by people. some may try to create their own. some people call these cults. however, at the same time, who can say that religion as a whole isnt a cult as well. just not the type of cult that is of david coresh(sp?)

Can't say I'm familiar with that religion. Wouldn't it be interesting to see how the people who run this Apostolic Lutheran live ?

My guess is they want more power but for what reason do they encourage their followers to make a ton of Babies ?

 

[Skaw]

Still up to this day the snake is a symbol of medical care. Why is that ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_of_Asclepius

tl;dr version: Symbol of the Greek God of Medicine.

Astronomers are blown away by the accuracy of the Mesoamerican calendar which evolved into the Mayan calendar. These ancient civilizations are said to have been in contact with Aliens. Their temples are filled with illustrations that depict the galaxy, and even up to now how correct they always were as we unfold the mysteries with space telescopes is staggering.

A description of our heliocentric solar system
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omg how accurate! 11 Planets/11 Satellites! Wait. There are a lot more than 11 bodies in our solar system. Not2Accurate.

I guess the Aliens put them there after they told the Sumerians that there were only 11, huh? It's an elaborate plot to cover their tracks that they visited the Sumerians!

[img]http://skaw.cantstoptherock.com/Austin Laugh.gif

In regards to accurate predictions - many people today still can't discern accuracy from encompassing vagueness. Or that for one statement to hit true, hundreds fall false. Monkeys and Shakespeare in action.

 

[Tristam Green]

You think Benny Hinn is a worthy demonstration of faith ? Sorry, He hasn't the power to heal, and he is very rich from tricking Christians. L. Ron Hubbard at least tells it like it is. Benny Hinn is clearly the lesser of the two.

Man, you really can't read, huh?

I said Benny Hinn is a dirt bag. How does that equate to me saying "woo he's a demonstrator of faith"?

Likewise, wtf are you smoking? You say directly that Hinn is a bad person, then saying "lesser of the two"? I think, by your own standards, you got the adage mixed.

Jokes aside. You want to fight me, here's your chance to redeem yourself from whatever I've done to you.

Protip: If you have done something to me, you'd be the one needing 'redemption', not me.

Between 2 friends, one is the head, and the other is the tail. What are you and Stine ? I have my opinions about you both, and being fond of neither of you, I know which of the two of you has a better heart, and should be more dominant in whatever relationship you two have, for the sake of all who surround you.

Sorry to ask such a question, but i figured you wanted to scrap with me, with all this shit I'm hearing from you, plus the endless provoking and what not.

Between friends, possibly. We're married, which is a bit more than friends. There is no head/tail relationship, and I don't much like the analogy. She and I are equal parts of a whole. We bring diversity to our relationship with our own opinions, thought processes, and beliefs on certain matters. The underlying tones are what we share, and that makes us stronger.

I didn't drag your family into this, you fucking piece of shit. Keep mine out of it.

 

[Uzor]

Still, look up "Stan Meyer" Water Fuel cell. Plans on how to make this technology is all over the internet and there are people who successfully emulated this technology. Water is a richer fuel source than oil.

Sweden are making it. There's actually a website in Swedish that sell current technology of water cells. They sell things like calculators, mini-cars (you know, toys), and a combination of solar-wind-and water energy/cells in order run some of the things in your house.

Believe it or not, healthy environmental practices are world wide.

Of course, Europe as a whole is rather obsessed with it. However, Sweden is ahead of the other countries even here. Due to Sweden's huge success with it, EU have asked that we pick up the slack for the other countries., by becoming even better at it.

The large industry (Namely big oil) does control the world. They remain unmatched in this field. Ever see the documentary "Who killed the Electric Car" ? They were made by General Motors, they were very fast, and cheap to run. Even Mel Gibson loved his. He said he felt like Batman when he accelerated his. The point is, everyone who had one loved them. They do devalue oil. Not completely, but by a whole lot, considering they ran on battery charges.

Why were these cars recalled and scraped without any given reason ? I don't see where i made it seem like everyone wants to keep oil and fossil fuel, when i flat out said Free Energy machines would have us progress much better. Feel free to quote me and show my where i made it seem like everyone wants to hold onto oil. According to the documentary i just mentioned. I'd say General Motors WANTED to be more green with the Electric car, but obviously Big Oil had a hissy fit.

Of course oil companies have rather large influence in the world. However, I have no clue why you say the electric car were ever killed. Sure, some companies may or may not have deliberatively destroyed some of their cars to make it appear like they are bad. However, they are very much still being produced and sold. A lot of Sweden's parking lots have places you can plug in your car to recharge the batteries on your electric car. Most people think its annoying having to plug it in all the time to recharge the batteries, so most people stick to hybrid cars instead of electric cars.

I was born into the Catholic religion. I believed in it in it's manner for mostly all of my life. Like you Uzor I've studied all religions, but unlike you I've actually practiced them.

I believe there is a highest. I believe what religion sees as God, is compreised of 2 different E.T.s I come to the conclusion that ET's do exist because of our own History. What ancient civilizations know and have known before we did. They knew about the solar system before we did. We need some serious high tech gear to be able to all that shit out there. much of it is believing what is heard. That cannot be helped.

I will come to this later

Oh really ? So Science believes in God then ?

As much as I hate to admit it, in a way, yes. Religion and science are both built upon the same fundamentals. I will come to this later.

Science only involves what is, and what we understand. Theories are just out the door with science. When something is proven, it becomes a part of what we call science.

Like many thing, or all technology rather. You're computer is not just a theory. It's working it's magic right in front of you and it's very real. This is science.

This is, once again, not true. EVERYTHING in science is theories. The Big Bang theory, theory of gravity, etc. They can not ever be directly proved to be true in the way that scientists believe it is (key word being believe). That is why science is an endless strugle to disprove a theory. Not prove it, as proving a theory is pointless as it only proves it is correct under those conditions, and not universal. The moment a theory is disproved, it means the theory is wrong, as it doesn't always hold true.

Religion is based on the same fundamentals. Humans are curios. They need answers for everything. Science is a result of our curiosity. Religion is too. Religion is the answer to what humans were unable to find an answer for in our earlier days. In a way, science is a religion, as science is nothing but theories, which religion is too. However, the reason I chose to believe in science over religion, is that science is ever changing.

Your alien thing, too, is a religion in the very same way science is a religion. "Religion", science and aliens all have something in common. They are all a theoretical explanation of what mankind can't understand.

And no, computers are not science. They are technology.

Now I need to go to work. I'll respond again later.

 

[Skaw]

This is, once again, not true. EVERYTHING in science is theories. The Big Bang theory, theory of gravity, etc. They can not ever be directly proved to be true in the way that scientists believe it is (key word being believe). That is why science is an endless strugle to disprove a theory. Not prove it, as proving a theory is pointless as it only proves it is correct under those conditions, and not universal. The moment a theory is disproved, it means the theory is wrong, as it doesn't always hold true.

Not everything in science is theory. There are plenty of facts proven through scientific method. Theories are logical explianations that cannot be proven as fact, for one reason or another(i.e. we're missing something, or are physically unable to recreate or observe it.)

 

[Anttaru]

omg how accurate! 11 Planets/11 Satellites! Wait. There are a lot more than 11 bodies in our solar system. Not2Accurate.

The 6 other bodies are said to be resident to the Oort cloud.

The ancient depiction of the solar system is of 12 Planetary bodies. Theory suggests it's out there and they are looking for it.

I guess the Aliens put them there after they told the Sumerians that there were only 11, huh? It's an elaborate plot to cover their tracks that they visited the Sumerians!

12 Planets. The Sumerian culture also knew the world wasn't flat, and this was long before Columbus sailed. Knowing this they must have understood there was a force keeping us grounded.

All else aside. How do you suggest they knew about our solar system ? they sure as hell never had computers, nor did they launch any equipment into space to be able to see Trans Neptune planets.

In regards to accurate predictions - many people today still can't discern accuracy from encompassing vagueness. Or that for one statement to hit true, hundreds fall false. Monkeys and Shakespeare in action.

Knowing the planets positions on whatever day comes easy once you know how they are orbiting. Even on our less accurate calendar we know when to expect an eclipse, or how long it will be before Mars will be as close as it'll come to Earth down to the day and hour. This also works for comets and meteors. Hell with the right advancements and processing power we'd be able to foresee the positioning of every fragment in the Kuiper belt will be tomorrow at noon.

 

[Stine]

Oh really ? So Science believes in God then ?

You do realize that there has been and still are Christian, Muslim, and Jewish scientists? I'm sure that other religions are represented in the scientific community as well.

But you Tristam. Have this never ending grudge against me.

Anyone else notice that when someone on QCDN constantly proves someone else wrong that they have a grudge against them?

Jokes aside. You want to fight me, here's your chance to redeem yourself from whatever I've done to you.

Between 2 friends, one is the head, and the other is the tail. What are you and Stine ? I have my opinions about you both, and being fond of neither of you, I know which of the two of you has a better heart, and should be more dominant in whatever relationship you two have, for the sake of all who surround you.

Sorry to ask such a question, but i figured you wanted to scrap with me, with all this shit I'm hearing from you, plus the endless provoking and what not.

Between friends, possibly. We're married, which is a bit more than friends. There is no head/tail relationship, and I don't much like the analogy. She and I are equal parts of a whole. We bring diversity to our relationship with our own opinions, thought processes, and beliefs on certain matters. The underlying tones are what we share, and that makes us stronger.

I didn't drag your family into this, you fucking piece of shit. Keep mine out of it.

Being that the only access to information about us is this forum, you really don't know much about us. We both have our strengths and weaknesses which when have found out during our relationship. We complete each other and try to help improve the other. If you don't like us that's fine. That's your opinion but don't pretend to know us. You apologize for asking such a question so you must have known that it would upset someone.

As for the ongoing conversation, I have been wondering where you got all this information. What books, websites, and/or people have you used? It would make more sense to others if you sited some of these. Right now you link some videos and tell people to search but everyone can search and find different things.

Also, you constantly show that you aren't listening to others and that's why a lot of people get frustrated with you. One example is your use of "your" and "you're" incorrectly. I have seen others site the correct usage of the words for you and you still use them wrong. I'm not the Queen of Grammar and I'm imperfect but you constantly show that you don't care to use the words correctly.

 

[Halifirien]

Like i said, no one will work for free.

That'll come as a great shock to volunteer organizations, I'm sure. Don't tell them.

I must strongly disagree with Uzor's statement that science is a religion, though. They're very different animals. They may arise from the desire to understand our world, but the ways they go about it are diametrically opposed. The scientific method is based, among other things, on observation of the natural world, experimentation and being able to replicate results.

Religion is based on interpretation of "revelations" that may or may not exist entirely in one person's mind and can never be replicated. You just have to trust the person who says they're getting messages from the gods. They could be flying high on LSD or deliberately misleading you about what they experienced.

 

[Anttaru]

You do realize that there has been and still are Christian, Muslim, and Jewish scientists? I'm sure that other religions are represented in the scientific community as well.

I'm aware, but does science teach us of Allah ?

Anyone else notice that when someone on QCDN constantly proves someone else wrong that they have a grudge against them?

I notice your man has a constant grudge against me. Once in awhile he appears in a topic of discussion like an assassin and tried to disable my reputation. Oil has been driving us all this time. Without an alternative energy source. Everything stops. Mass production of everything from electronics to candy will no longer be. There was also a boom in our population from the various luxuries, even today. Tristam begs to differ, which is fine, but i suggest he looks it up.

Being that the only access to information about us is this forum, you really don't know much about us. We both have our strengths and weaknesses which when have found out during our relationship. We complete each other and try to help improve the other. If you don't like us that's fine. That's your opinion but don't pretend to know us. You apologize for asking such a question so you must have known that it would upset someone.

I can only go by what i do know about you. Your more pleasant to talk to, he's not. To me you are the better half. No reason for me to think other wise. I'm not fond of either of you, but that doesn't mean i dislike the two of you. I was sure asking that question would have been upsetting. But when being provoked, by Tristan, in here and in several other threads it there comes a time where i need to resort to fixing his ass. He already knows I've already requested for him to knock it off already. As he may enjoy flaming others, I'll do what i can to make sure his nonsense is not enjoyable for him when he brings it to me.

As for the ongoing conversation, I have been wondering where you got all this information. What books, websites, and/or people have you used? It would make more sense to others if you sited some of these. Right now you link some videos and tell people to search but everyone can search and find different things.

Only to those who message me about this do i share these things, looking it up for yourselves you'll most likely come across what I read. Why post what i respect in a place where it'll be thrown in my face. Look what happened with Mr. Stitchen in the Nibiru thread. I can now say go look up "Alex Collier" and be sure to hear him be torn to shreds.

Also, you constantly show that you aren't listening to others and that's why a lot of people get frustrated with you. One example is your use of "your" and "you're" incorrectly. I have seen others site the correct usage of the words for you and you still use them wrong. I'm not the Queen of Grammar and I'm imperfect but you constantly show that you don't care to use the words correctly.

I think you are a perfect shield for Tristam. I have absolutely no motivation to put a scratch on you, your so gentle and soft spoken. You are so damn kind, I should thank you for it. I actually will look into fine turning my grammar.

 

[RaidrX]

Being that the only access to information about us is this forum, you really don't know much about us.

Dont worry stine, ants pretty good at making completely uninformed judgements of character based on like 1-2 posts of someone. /sarcasm.

Not forcing anyone into anything here. Even though i don't believe the video in the OP, I'm bound to open my mouth in threads like these.

My intentions are not to argue with anyone either. Questions came my way and i answered them. Now there is a heap of things to talk about. It's not my doing.

I never said you were forcing people to come here. Infact I pretty much said the opposite in that you are forcing people AWAY from here, more or less by posting a bunch of bull shit information that you, and only you, seem to know as fact, and yet everyone else thinks your fucking crazy. You post things as fact, and yet I don't think i've ever seen you give resources or back up your "facts" other than throwing more roundabout questions at people or taking there statements in the completely wrong direction so it benefits your shitty argument.

And sure your free to post in threads just as everyone else, but fuck man, you don't have to type up 8 paragraph long thesis on the 3 E.T life forms of our galaxy in EVERY post. I open these threads and i'm like "oh shit ant made 7 more tl;dr posts AGAIN, guess ill skip this thread now...

Also I completely disagree w/ you that you don't want to argue. People asked you questions because you come in here and post vauge, random bull shit that of course is gonna make people say "WTF is this guy thinking" and then you come back and post 15 paragraphs about shit. Its completely your doing...

 

[Anttaru]

That'll come as a great shock to volunteer organizations, I'm sure. Don't tell them.

Even Volunteer organizations need funding.

 

[Tristam Green]

I notice your man has a constant grudge against me. Once in awhile he appears in a topic of discussion like an assassin and tried to disable my reputation. Oil has been driving us all this time. Without an alternative energy source. Everything stops. Mass production of everything from electronics to candy will no longer be. There was also a boom in our population from the various luxuries, even today. Tristam begs to differ, which is fine, but i suggest he looks it up.

I only have any kind of grudge against you as you question not just mine, but anyone's beliefs who are any different from your own. You pretend to know people who disagree with you, and feel as if you can speak either on their behalf or about them as if they live next to you.

I have a major problem with it, and I always will.

I can only go by what i do know about you. Your more pleasant to talk to, he's not. To me you are the better half. No reason for me to think other wise. I'm not fond of either of you, but that doesn't mean i dislike the two of you. I was sure asking that question would have been upsetting. But when being provoked, by Tristan, in here and in several other threads it there comes a time where i need to resort to fixing his ass. He already knows I've already requested for him to knock it off already. As he may enjoy flaming others, I'll do what i can to make sure his nonsense is not enjoyable for him when he brings it to me.

I'm sure you find Stine more enjoyable to talk with.

Let me one thing straight then. If to you, where a lack of fondness is not equating to an utter dislike, what then does it equate to? Ambivalence? If so, you really have a strange way of showing ambivalence to other people.

I think you are a perfect shield for Tristam. I have absolutely no motivation to put a scratch on you, your so gentle and soft spoken. You are so damn kind, I should thank you for it. I actually will look into fine turning my grammar.

I'll bold this, and enlarge it so it sinks in.

THE PREVIOUS STATEMENT SHOWS EXACTLY HOW LITTLE YOU KNOW ABOUT EITHER MYSELF OR STINE.

Neither of us shield the other; it's a companionship, not a matter of protection. Stine's a big girl, and as such she can and does regularly fight her own battles. Same with me. Nobody keeps anyone in check, so stop acting like you have us figured out.

 

[Stine]

All else aside. How do you suggest they knew about our solar system ? they sure as hell never had computers, nor did they launch any equipment into space to be able to see Trans Neptune planets.

The Mayans studied the Pleiades and the planets in the sky in order to make their calculations. Being that their sky is not full of light pollution like it is now and that we can see them with the naked eye, they probably had a pretty good view of them. One of their findings was their calculation of the time of the Venusian year as 584 days. The Aztec also have made note of the Pleiades in the sky so they weren't the only ones who noticed them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleides
http://www.authenticmaya.com/calendar.htm
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761576077_2/Maya_Civilization.html#p29

Now I can't speak for the Trans Neptune planets. I haven't found anything on them yet. I admit that I was mainly searching for Mayan calendar and astronomy so I didn't use the term "Trans Neptune planets" yet.

I'm aware, but does science teach us of Allah ?

Science might not teach of them but they haven't proven without a doubt that they don't exist. If the scientists can prove that the creation of all cosmic matter wasn't created by a god then they will disprove them.

I notice your man has a constant grudge against me. Once in awhile he appears in a topic of discussion like an assassin and tried to disable my reputation. Oil has been driving us all this time. Without an alternative energy source. Everything stops. Mass production of everything from electronics to candy will no longer be. There was also a boom in our population from the various luxuries, even today. Tristam begs to differ, which is fine, but i suggest he looks it up.

If he does I don't know about it. He usually reads everyone's posts and replies if he sees fit to reply. He has searched for research on alternative energy as far as I know.

I can only go by what i do know about you. Your more pleasant to talk to, he's not. To me you are the better half. No reason for me to think other wise. I'm not fond of either of you, but that doesn't mean i dislike the two of you. I was sure asking that question would have been upsetting. But when being provoked, by Tristan, in here and in several other threads it there comes a time where i need to resort to fixing his ass. He already knows I've already requested for him to knock it off already. As he may enjoy flaming others, I'll do what i can to make sure his nonsense is not enjoyable for him when he brings it to me.

He may enjoy flaming but not even most of it is usually nonsense. He is an educated person who is very curious about how and why things work. Of course I can't prove that to you. I am a more forgiving and patient person than him. I tend to stay out of the flameboard.

Only to those who message me about this do i share these things, looking it up for yourselves you'll most likely come across what I read. Why post what i respect in a place where it'll be thrown in my face. Look what happened with Mr. Stitchen in the Nibiru thread. I can now say go look up "Alex Collier" and be sure to hear him be torn to shreds.

I haven't found what you have yet. I found out some stuff about the Dresden Codex and their heliocentric ideas. I haven't searched Alex Collier yet. I am at work so I will have to worry about that later.

I think you are a perfect shield for Tristam. I have absolutely no motivation to put a scratch on you, your so gentle and soft spoken. You are so damn kind, I should thank you for it. I actually will look into fine turning my grammar.

I thank you for the kind comments but if you quarrel with Tristam that's fine. He's a big boy and can take care of himself. He can't stop how I react and I can't stop how he reacts. I'm not trying to be mean but want to know where you found this stuff and why you believe it.