Ungrateful shits...

I never said noone in my ls didnt fuck up I was just pointing out that there alot of factors that cause things to go so bad. From what Ive been told from ppl there were sevral ppl there that was new to doing ohat runs encluding some ppl from my ls. I dont know how many of my ls memebrs was there but I know quiet a few was farley new to doing ohat runs. Well maybe I was alittle off with the whm meleein and her reasons why but im sure there some other better things she could have done just like sevral other ppl there
 
reddogneo said:
Well maybe I was alittle off with the whm meleein and her reasons why but im sure there some other better things she could have done just like sevral other ppl there
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Who and what? No one is answering that. If you can say something better could be done, some kind of example has to be given.

The only thing I could possibly imagine would have been the ue of drinks or other pricey meds, which would be unrealistic as she was just helping random people that she had nothing to gain from. Other than that, I saw nothing that could have been done better on her behalf. If there is something, someone should say it, but remember that resting wasn't an option, and shouldn't have even been needed to begin with.
 
Im not a HL whm so frankly idk what shes could have done better im just lookin at it like everyone can always do there job better weather there 1337 or not. there always better/different ways todo things but im still placing blame for all the mishaps on more than one person
 
Dude if you weren't there stop talking. Someone who was there should be here talking.

you can't pick out a man in a line up if your blind.
 
reddogneo said:
Im not a HL whm so frankly idk what shes could have done better im just lookin at it like everyone can always do there job better weather there 1337 or not. there always better/different ways todo things but im still placing blame for all the mishaps on more than one person
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Yeah, I understand you aren't blaming any one person, and the only reason I am comming down hard on this at all is actually because I feel that what she did should have been met with praise instead of scorn. All too often a WHM will forget they have WSs that can recover some of their lost MP. Because she remembered, and had the skill levels needed to hit the mobs, I found it a pretty impressive use of skill.

Had I not felt that she might have been the most resourcefull person there, making use of all things available to her and covering the slack of others without much in the way of support from the 2 RDMs and BRD that were there, I wouldn't be so bullheaded about this. I feel that not only should she have not been talked shit to/about, but that she should have been praised! It is so rare to find someone that can take full advantage of all avenues before them.

I'm sure I am far more involved that I should be, but I also hate to see talent go unnoticed.
 
you bring up a very good point bigboy I also hate to see good talent go unnoticed. I dont fuck with staffs that offen so the fact that there a WS that restores mp sorta slipped my mind. Nice to see respectible post here. But my ls mates is all but ungratful all you other ppl dont act like you never forgot to say TY to someone for helpin out. The mishaps put alot of my lsmates in a very bad mood and caused them to over look some facts.

Idk how much mp that staff WS acually restores or how much ish was actually curing or how much curing was acually needed let alone the other mages mp. One think I do know is resting would had prob gave ish more mp rather then meleeing waiting to get tp up, but for all I know the situation might have called for her actions.

Not that I havent noticed anybody involved with this situation posting anymore im just gonna let the flame die (hopefully) with hopes anyone else that wasnt involved just stay out of it
 
As someone who was at those runs, I would like to add my 2 cents.

We had scheduled that o-hat run, but the lack of adequate HLs that showed up, we were considering cancelling the run(s). So we resorted to asking to help from other to complement our run. We managed to get enough help (including Ishela) and the first few runs went ok, imo.

However, as the runs went on and on, ppl had to go including our add helpers, a nin, and a few melee. Eventually by the last 2-3 runs, we were scraping by, when we were getting hit w/ firagas. And yes, we probably would've wiped if not for weaponslayer handling the adds. We only had 3 for a stun order (rdm/drk rdm/drk and a blm). i'll admit there was some missed/overlapped stuns, but i will attribute to tiredness because it was very late when we finished

As for Ishaela's performance, I didn't watch her mp like a hawk, but like everyone else at that run, i assumed everyone was doing their job. I do remember her popping a bene after we got hit w/ a firaga, if that says something about her.

i didn't know jeiger asked you to help. i thought you knew someone who was going. that being said, it means that you're more than deserving of thanks regardless of how well you did in there. So i guess i'll be the first from the ungrateful LS to say thank you for your help ishaela and all the others that jeiger asked to come

P.S. I liked your Raise macro =)
 
This is a nice little flame against my LS. Well I'm one of the HL WHMs/BLMs of this "ungrateful LS" that didnt go. While they were setting up I was duoing bombs with another SMN in Ifrit's Cauldron (we both died more than twice but otherwise it was ok. Full Moon perhaps?) I logged believing it was cancelled and went off to run some last minute errands.

On a side note, as a member of this newly branded "ungrateful linkshell", I do thank Ishaela for her consistent help with my Fenrir run. She could have left but she didnt. Thanks Ishy ^^.


When the run was getting together; It "sounded like" from what I reading in LS chat: that they had a lack of mages, namely BLMs and DRKs that would have made the Stunning time easier. I believe that turns on Stuns could have helped the Firaga IIIs. I've done runs before so maybe that would have helped more. I dont know if they had a Stun-turn-cycle. Like 90% (rough estimate, if you flame me over that percentage you have no life) of ppl posting here: I was not there and I can only go on what I'm reading. I'm still amazed at how people are really so quick to call names and wish death threats when they werent there either (Yoshindor -_-; some of that was just uncalled for no matter how angry it makes you. What goes around comes around you say? You dont want ppl wishing death on you either). Much less over something in a online game. Not all runs will go perfect even with the best setup because no in this game can say there are best at their main because there is always a flaw in how someone plays (Too much dmg, not enough dmg, etc.) Sometimes you have bad luck. Like with my Fenrir run, I died 3 times on WHM giving R3's after I took R1s. We switched startegies and got it right.

Based on my first run with HKTK a while back. I think things would have been better if they had enough mages to fill in the gaps in healing, refreshing, stunning, whichever.

I re-itterate (sp?) I WAS NOT THERE AND I DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED LIKE 90% OF EVERYONE POSTING. I'm going by what I have read and what else I know. (The caps aren't a shout, they are just added emphasis on my sentence).

I apologize to my LS for not being able to help them when the needed me. ; ;
 
anyone mind telling me what the big fucking deal with a mage meleeing is? don't give me that it gives the mob TP bullshit either, because if you really believed that damage/tp given raitio crap you wouldn't have all these fuckers exping with kraken clubs. you people act like a mage can't do anything else while meleeing, its fucking auto attack and takes no thought, all other duties are easily performed
 
Tankt said:
anyone mind telling me what the big fucking deal with a mage meleeing is? don't give me that it gives the mob TP bullshit either, because if you really believed that damage/tp given raitio crap you wouldn't have all these fuckers exping with kraken clubs. you people act like a mage can't do anything else while meleeing, its fucking auto attack and takes no thought, all other duties are easily performed
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Do you understand the concept of being on Paralyna duty?
If so, do you understand the importance of casting Paralyna on a NIN so that he can recast his shadows, after he's been hit by an AoE Paralyse?
If so, do you understand that having to first Paralyna yourself, when paralysed (which can take 2-3 goes) before you can even cast on the NIN is very likely to get the NIN badly damaged or dead.

And all this is avoided if you stand out of AoE range...
 
Athera said:
i didn't know jeiger asked you to help. i thought you knew someone who was going. that being said, it means that you're more than deserving of thanks regardless of how well you did in there. So i guess i'll be the first from the ungrateful LS to say thank you for your help ishaela and all the others that jeiger asked to come

P.S. I liked your Raise macro =)
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Sorry trip you lose : :
 
Blowy said:
Do you understand the concept of being on Paralyna duty?
If so, do you understand the importance of casting Paralyna on a NIN so that he can recast his shadows, after he's been hit by an AoE Paralyse?
If so, do you understand that having to first Paralyna yourself, when paralysed (which can take 2-3 goes) before you can even cast on the NIN is very likely to get the NIN badly damaged or dead.

And all this is avoided if you stand out of AoE range...
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Do you understand the idea of DIRECTIONAL aoe?

It's easy as hell to melee a Hecteyes without being in range of Hex Eye.. you just have to stand at its rear half (either to one side or behind it).

Ish was doing her job quite well by getting TP for Spirit Taker.

And only having three Stunners is NOT an excuse, IMO. When I got my Hat it was with UnderworldNA social LS and we had three stunners, no bard, and only one "real" tank. Achelois 75NIN was the main tank, and he was double boxing as Ascar RDM/DRK, along with two BLMs to Stun - Hronorigger and Kyora. We did have Tidy ~70NIN as a backup tank but he had a lot of trouble staying up the one time Ach fell out of six pops. The whole night, Firaga III went off one time - Ach had just got shadows back up and didn't have time to make Ascar stun before Firaga 3. lol.

Anyway. Yeah. Go Ish. O_o
 
Actually as said in my first post, this was generally directed at the people who were trying to pin the lame on me, not the entire LS at all..

reddog - I've already explained three or four times as to why I meleed rather than rested, just so y'know ^^; Spirit Taker restores MP equal to the damage you deal with the WS. In my case, it restored 70 at worst (used it once on Haku, stupid me), about 230 at best during the run, but averaging 130. And yes, this topic will get old, and eventually die, but so do all topics. =P

Also, to Blowy...please don't just skim through posts and make accusations like that =/ I know what I'm doing, if at any time I was fighting Haku instead of a add (which I only did if no adds were about), I fought at the sides so I wouldn't be in SA/TA range nor within line of Hex Eye nomatter which tank Haku was facing.


Athera - I actually knew four people on that run, but none of them are why I helped. I got an auto-translated "please please please help me out!" /tell in need of a healer and it was do that, or farm eyes, or go catch up on reading.

I do feel sortof bad because I got a Vile +1 off the 2nd Haku that I could've used, and I guess in that sense it is sortof my fault for running out of MP and resting instead of using that...but while I try to do what I can to help, I'm not gonna go so far as to pop a 270k potion unless they're REALLY good friends of mine, which a few people on that run were, but most.....were not. "I'm nice, but I'm not a pushover."

...I still don't get that if I was useless, daresay hurtful to the run, why they didn't just Warp or kick me from the alliance. I don't think anyone out there would keep someone in a Haku/Alastor/Shen/whatever alliance if their actions risked a wipe or just made the runs generally tougher.


I'm not blaming any one thing for the ups and downs of the run. One of the NINs got double (triple? I still don't know which Haku does, chat filters..) attack with shadows down, and that did pretty much insta-kill him. Pops could've been timed better if Haku was popped right after the room was cleared. Sometimes Stuns were stacked, sometimes the wrong spells (AM/Fire IV) got stunned. I dunno if the stunners knew what to stun or not or if they had itchy trigger fingers.....but wether it's fluke, lack of communication, or WHATEVER, there were very few deaths and everyone who popped got their hat. I'm hoping they're thankful for least that much.
 
If you had to ask for help, then you shouldn't be complaining about the help you get, regardless of how good it is.

This is in now way saying Ish didn't do her job right, I'm just saying that beggars can't be choosers.
 
I don't think anyone out there would keep someone in a Haku/Alastor/Shen/whatever alliance if their actions risked a wipe or just made the runs generally tougher.
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hint hint 38 executioner antlions in a row

kidding :crazy:
 
Tagrineth said:
Do you understand the idea of DIRECTIONAL aoe?

It's easy as hell to melee a Hecteyes without being in range of Hex Eye.. you just have to stand at its rear half (either to one side or behind it).

Ish was doing her job quite well by getting TP for Spirit Taker.

And only having three Stunners is NOT an excuse, IMO. When I got my Hat it was with UnderworldNA social LS and we had three stunners, no bard, and only one "real" tank. Achelois 75NIN was the main tank, and he was double boxing as Ascar RDM/DRK, along with two BLMs to Stun - Hronorigger and Kyora. We did have Tidy ~70NIN as a backup tank but he had a lot of trouble staying up the one time Ach fell out of six pops. The whole night, Firaga III went off one time - Ach had just got shadows back up and didn't have time to make Ascar stun before Firaga 3. lol.

Anyway. Yeah. Go Ish. O_o
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Ohhh fun times that was..
 
Trippyhippy said:
I still haven't seen anyone say "Thank you for helping us get our O Hats".
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Athera said:
i didn't know jeiger asked you to help. i thought you knew someone who was going. that being said, it means that you're more than deserving of thanks regardless of how well you did in there. So i guess i'll be the first from the ungrateful LS to say thank you for your help ishaela and all the others that jeiger asked to come
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Stoner.
 
Im sorry that this had to happen to anyone, anywhere. And even though I am new to the flameboards, and QCDN for that matter, I think that both sides made some valuable points. Everyone should learn in {Valkurm Dunes} how to party properly. And from what I could read, Ms. Ish did exactly what was called of her at the appropriate time, for the good of the LS and everyone in her {Party}. I commend you Ish, on a job well done, and feel bad that you didnt get the recognition you deserve. What you did took guts, and WHM aren't really known for that. Bravo!

/claps
 
Other said:
Im sorry that this had to happen to anyone, anywhere. And even though I am new to the flameboards, and QCDN for that matter, I think that both sides made some valuable points. Everyone should learn in {Valkurm Dunes} how to party properly. And from what I could read, Ms. Ish did exactly what was called of her at the appropriate time, for the good of the LS and everyone in her {Party}. I commend you Ish, on a job well done, and feel bad that you didnt get the recognition you deserve. What you did took guts, and WHM aren't really known for that. Bravo!

/claps
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How about you tell everyone on QCDN who you really are.
 
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