UNNERF BST petition

[Lecan]

It's still changing the role of BST from solo to a party character. it would be nice if the tweaked jugs pets to be more powerful, cause right now they suck and always will suck. And the new jugs, which apparently the HQ version are very good are nearly impossible to find(along with panzer gallahad) cause instead of SE having ingredients easy to procure they made them a pain in the ass and such high level synths that HQ's won't be seen very much. This reminds me, I need to start cooking on a mule today.

But The job is fine! I'de rather have all my killer traits than one Attack bonus or accuracy bonus. I don't want this job adjusted for parties.

The fact is no matter what Stouter or SE says, this was designed from day 1 to be a solo job, if not conscously, then subconcously. They walluped a big exp penalty onto having a pet, jug or otherwise. They gave us an ability called "Charm" which is basically worthless if all we are "suppose" to do is exp party and use jug pets. They gave WAR an A- with hand axe(same as us) to ensure we would never out DD a WAR on rampage. They gave us no abilities or traits of value to a party(remember, we didn't have leave at the begining so link control doesn't work as a motivation). And this whole link control thing, how many BST's have tried to charm a VT to IT mob, with full AF and CHR gear landing Charm is horribley low and it will last for about 5 seconds(lol, but with the new mpk system all you got to do is hit leave and the mob will clear hate and disappear) and I've died many many times waiting 12 seconds to try and recharm a VT to save my bacon. I don't think you can justify a party spot simply by calling it link control.

The nerf, I've learned to live with, but what I really resent about is that SE said "no job was intended to solo" as their justification. That's like going out and robbing a bank and saying to the cops, I never intended to rob the bank, just to make a withdrawal. The proof is in the pudding, if you buy SE's line...... whatever

I'll keep soloing until they take away "Charm". i didn't pick this job to quit it cause of a sloppy but copable nerf.

My point was that if SE was going to try to throw us a bone to lower the blow to us and try to usher us towards solo play (which is what they seem to be doing) they should have given us something better than pet food regen and no exp penality from jugs.

Also, I never said to take away the killer traits, I said give us something that is more geared towards party play, such as an accuracy/attack bonus.
The Killer effects are relatively useless anyway, unless you're wearing a lot of gear that enhances them. In addition, with their "no job was meant to solo" mentality, the killer effects give us nothing to bring to the party. BST are not tanks, and the killer effects only proc when the mob is looking at the BST.

Now, if the killer effects kicked in when the BST was facing an enemy (Like I dunno, it works for mobs) it would be infinitely more useful, if not a big reason to invite BST to a party.

Imagine, BST load up on CHR gear and +killer effect gear, assisting the tank by paralyzing the enemy via intimidation.

Or, change the killer effects so that they actualy give us an edge when fighting the mobs they apply to. Allow us to do extra damage against those mobs, or the chance to do more damage (kinda similar to double attack, it will occasionally kick in and give you more damage).

The entire point of what I was saying wasn't that I wanted BST geared towards party play (far from it actually), it's that I realize that's what's happening and I'd appreciate if SE made some changes that reflected that, besides those instituted in the MPK patch. Something that might actually make up for the fact solo play is more difficult now.

 

[Pompidou]

Pleas show me where I said RNG was "TOO POWERFULL" without qoutation indication I was quoting someone and useing sarchasm!

Second the statment of solo only works because of preconcieved notions twoards the "ideal party" and what mele jobs are good and are not if people actually knew what jobs potentials were i.e. DRG MNK DRK ect, your statement wouldnt hold up.

Third we have addapted the job just is not what it should be, quit telling other to addapt and go "adjust" a broom up your ass.

And fourth get over being nerfed this is not about you this is a BST thread not a poor me i'm a whiney RNG thread.

Rather, it's a poor me, I'm a whiny BST thread. Get over being nerfed is good advice for both jobs though.

 

[Maximilium]

I can't believe how spinless some of you are. "Just adjust!" Bull. Nothing gets done by just bending over and accepting it. This is why bad things in the real world often stay bad. People just give up so easily these days, I can't believe my generation has grown up to be placid little conformists.

It's moronic people that say "Just go with it. They're the ones in charge, so they know what they're doing. Let's respect their choices." that need to be taken into a dark room and beaten to within an inch of their lives with monkey wrenches. If you don't stand up for what's right and try to reverse the wrongs that have been done to the masses, then what's the point of living? I'm not saying let's start a revolution against SE, but this is a perfect example of how our young minds are thinking these days.

Isn't it pathetic?

 

[Zimzum]

I was 66 before the patch.. and im 66 now. I work anywhere from 50-70 hours a week and just don't have the time or energy during the week to level solo let alone sit for hours looking for a party. I just cant get up the motovation to level. And to make it worse all the bst i have duo/trio with are levels ahead of me now. Damn you fonzy! So untill they revamp there nerf I guess im just stuck with farming/crafting.

To anyone who has played Ultima Online, we need a Siege Perilous type server.. (I think my I can still get my account back with my GM Tamer)

 

[Pompidou]

I can't believe how spinless some of you are. "Just adjust!" Bull. Nothing gets done by just bending over and accepting it. This is why bad things in the real world often stay bad. People just give up so easily these days, I can't believe my generation has grown up to be placid little conformists.

It's moronic people that say "Just go with it. They're the ones in charge, so they know what they're doing. Let's respect their choices." that need to be taken into a dark room and beaten to within an inch of their lives with monkey wrenches. If you don't stand up for what's right and try to reverse the wrongs that have been done to the masses, then what's the point of living? I'm not saying let's start a revolution against SE, but this is a perfect example of how our young minds are thinking these days.

Isn't it pathetic?

How many of SE's decisions have you reversed lately? Probably not many. you might not be spineless, but you're just as effective at bringing about change as the people who are doing nothing at all. When you figure out how to bring results, then start telling people they should take action. It's all good to fight the good fight, but it's a waste of time to fight a lost cause. Type emails to SE till your fingers fall off. I don't really care. I don't think it'll help. SE has never reversed a decision yet. They might eventually buff Beastmaster in some other way, but if past history is any indicator, petitions and angry letters are a waste of time.

 

[Miros]

your sig says "Miros, the only bst that didn't ditch!"
but didn't you quit FFXI?

Bitch, not ditch. And I didn't leave the game because of the BST nerf.

 

[Mishaela]

And here's a new flash. Many...MANY BSTs have found the enjoyment of duoing. Guess what? That's a PARTY! :O *gasp* I duoed, does that mean I'm not a true BST cause I was technically in a party?

BSTs aren't all that common, and alot already duo/trio. Most aren't up for another person because it'd impact EXP too much. But either way, I had no complaint against BSTs partying, but I DID say they're not gonna magically get parties just because SE thinks they will if nerfed.

Again, I'll give props to Lecan cause he's trying, and he's coping. Obviously he has more respect and love for the job then some people. Mishaela, back down. You're posts are becoming very snooty and conceited. If you hate the job that much, change.

You say you're sick of hearing "there's plenty of spaces with xp mobs" Well that's just because it's the truth. I'm sick of reading "Boo hoo, I'm crying cause now I actually have to work at my job instead of having crap handed to me."

I asked you give some actually good exp spots since you're having an easier time than some of us, as opposed to spewing hot air..and that makes me snooty/conceited? Holy sh-!t get off your high horse. (Who knew that directly asking someone for help rather than consoling some grossly vague chart on where is and isn't good exp/pets made me selfish?)

Oh, and btw, I leveled on skeletons down there, don't tell me beetles aren't enough to kill them...unless you are just standing on the sidelines watching...then you're just plain lazy.

Can you respond at ALL without making some faceless comment? I've said I can't exp on the skels there, meaning I've obviously tried everything I can; Beetles can't hold hate vs my damage even if I'm in full Crow gear, and they wind up dying so slow I hafto get a new pet and in that case, I have a ton of hate planted on me in comparison to the new pet with no hate at all, which is flat-out crappy. Nice job assuming I'm some lazy bastard, kinda makes me remember when you begged me to come R3 you in bibiki when your buddy coulda R1ed you, or you coulda used a RR Gorget. And I'M the lazy/conceited one? Holy sh-!t.

Hey Fonzy, all I'm mostly asking is people do what you do and try to learn to cope with it and help give advice instead of complain about it first.

And trust me, I know all the work it takes to get a high level BST. ; ;

Kinda like how you called me snooty and conceited when I suggest you give advice as opposed to spew crap like you're continuing to?

Also..requoting:

I'm sick of reading "Boo hoo, I'm crying cause now I actually have to work at my job instead of having crap handed to me."

Judging the thing you're sick of hearing, you think BST had crap virtually handed to them pre-nerf...so how the hell can you say you "know all the work it takes" to be high-level?

 

[Miros]

Judging the thing you're sick of hearing, you think BST had crap virtually handed to them pre-nerf...so how the hell can you say you "know all the work it takes" to be high-level?

BST is a hard job. Any job that you solo with, you will have lots of difficulty. The way people are reacting makes it seem like they had a really easy time getting to where they are. But then again, some levels in BST were incredibly easy to get to. You can't deny that. If you did the goblins in the jungles at all, you would know that those were easy and fun levels. Most people are making this job not fun.

BSTs can magically get parties cause they can make their own party if they want.

And you're saying I'm spewing hot air? Well sorry, but when I read "Terribly sorry, but hearing "It's not that bad, there's plenty of spaces where there's pets right by XP mobs" for the hundredth time has just gotten old. If you know of so many good spots, why don't you share with the people unfortunate enough to not know of these spots?" I felt like you were spewing some hot air too. I know you've seen the alla website with where to hunt, ever tried them?

I don't recall begging, but I did ask for a raise sometimes...(taken out to respect fellow poster) I'm sorry you have trouble with skeletons too btw, I'd give advice but I'm sure anything I say will be shrugged off as hot air.

And since if I continue posting it'll prolly turn into a huge flame, I'm just gonna avoid this arrow and cease from posting here. I still stand with the decision that the nerf sucks, but BSTs can deal with it.

p.s. I know I didn't quote...I'm lazy/snotty/conceited/spewing hot air so it'll prolly be overlook anyways. ;p

 

[Hamlett]

I'm 72 bst now and I agree that the nerf should be changed, but I know it won't so I just moved on. Some areas are tougher, some areas are impossible, I know; you're just going to have to fight through it or get a party, it's all I can say.
On a side note, SE actually screwed up with their update in another way. The flamingos in sky don't 'teleport' they actually despawn and a different mob respawns.

 

[Yoshindor]

BST is a hard job. Any job that you solo with, you will have lots of difficulty. The way people are reacting makes it seem like they had a really easy time getting to where they are. But then again, some levels in BST were incredibly easy to get to. You can't deny that. If you did the goblins in the jungles at all, you would know that those were easy and fun levels. Most people are making this job not fun.

BSTs can magically get parties cause they can make their own party if they want.

And you're saying I'm spewing hot air? Well sorry, but when I read "Terribly sorry, but hearing "It's not that bad, there's plenty of spaces where there's pets right by XP mobs" for the hundredth time has just gotten old. If you know of so many good spots, why don't you share with the people unfortunate enough to not know of these spots?" I felt like you were spewing some hot air too. I know you've seen the alla website with where to hunt, ever tried them?

I don't recall begging, but I did ask for a raise sometimes...weren't you kicked from that linkshell anyways for behavioral problems? I'm sorry you have trouble with skeletons too btw, I'd give advice but I'm sure anything I say will be shrugged off as hot air.

And since if I continue posting it'll prolly turn into a huge flame, I'm just gonna avoid this arrow and cease from posting here. I still stand with the decision that the nerf sucks, but BSTs can deal with it.

p.s. I know I didn't quote...I'm lazy/snotty/conceited/spewing hot air so it'll prolly be overlook anyways. ;p

You always this much of a douche or you have to work at it ?

Mish was being nice and trying to have an actual conversation with you and all you do is act like a pompus ass hole.

Do us all a favor and plug your mouth and quit spewing your dieria everywhere.

 

[Fonzy]

Can you respond at ALL without making some faceless comment? I've said I can't exp on the skels there, meaning I've obviously tried everything I can; Beetles can't hold hate vs my damage even if I'm in full Crow gear, and they wind up dying so slow I hafto get a new pet and in that case, I have a ton of hate planted on me in comparison to the new pet with no hate at all, which is flat-out crappy.

well, I assume your talking about fallen majors and mages by the serket spawn in garlaige citadel. BATS own Bones! Start with one funnel bat, do not melee! allow it to widle your skels down to enough to where a beetle can finish it. leave >>>>>> charm beetle >>>>>>> let beetle build some hate then you jump in. Swapping pets is a reality of the job, even before the nerf, your going to need to be able to do it in alot of places to come. It slows exp down but it also gives you a chance to keep some mp in your pool assuming you don't have a Gaudy Harness(which IMO is the best piece of gear any BST can own). you might not have 100 tp by the end so you'll probably have to leave a little later than you would normally want to.

The ultimate problem I ran into in Garlaige Citadel was that NPC levelers were killing every bat and beetle down there with no consideration for parties or BST's in the area. But in my opinion, like Miros said, there are gravy leveling spots for BST(Bostanieux is the first that comes to mind) and Garlaige was always a place I looked forward to. The nerf kind of hurt it I'm sure as I can see those hellmines despawning alot while scrambling for a new pet. Of course on the same token, a friend of mine just breezed through levels 53-60 without one exp party, so there is a way to adjust obviously

And Zim damn you get 67 and we can probably Trio in the tree still. My schedule is going to go to shit here soon to soo there is plenty of time to catch up.

 

[Fonzy]

Drg was given the same exp penalty with their wyvern. Just because you can't do as much damage as a war, doesn't mean your damage combined with your pet's can't stack up with a war's damage.

understood, but a DRG get's accuracy bonus, an A+ in polearm, multiple jumps, fast tp build and can be very effective without their wyveryn. They also get a couple weapon skill that are all theirs. a BST with no pet is a gimped WAR. A BST with an even match pet in a party will out DD just about any other job. A BST with a jug pet will have a pet that is 75% uneffective on anything above a Decent match.

I only have 2 requests for this job, and it's been there since I first got the ability. Let BST's select which sic command they want to use. Not random lottery crap, let us pick, baleful gaze, death scissors, sickle slash, 1,000 needles, silent gas or whatever the mob might require. This would make jug pets 10X more useful and you would see them functioning tactically. Don't have certain jugs cap and become shit! I would use rabbit jugs if they hadn't turned to shit 45 levels ago

 

[Mishaela]

I know you've seen the alla website with where to hunt, ever tried them?

*sigh* As I said...I'd rather ask a BST who has experience as where to go EXP and what pets are good/bad as opposed to some chart that just says to goto (x) zone and kill (x) mob [but to answer your question, yes, I've tried going by the Alla chart and it wasn't all that great. I'd still rather refer to people with direct experience/can answer certain things, as opposed to looking at some chart that only gives 1/2 the needed nfo for most zones]. Was it really that bad of a thing to ask? =/



And thanks for the tip Fonzy, sortof spaced out that Blood Sabre is dark-elemental so bats would be good and stuff..I'll hafto try that out when I have time.



*edit* And Miros, if it's not too much to ask, please don't dig up crap that's already been resolved..

 

[Miros]

You're right MIsh, I do apologize. I'm sorry I came off so strongly. ; ; It just got nerving cause literally every person I walked by when I was in game would ask me about how the nerf was and if I hate it and blah blah.

I acted out of anger mostly, and for that I apologize Mish! ; ;

(And yes, this is sincere, I'm not trying to be an ass)