UNNERF BST petition

[Tyrath]

They should just make it so that the mob walks back and doesnt aggro till its back to its "home" instead of just disappearing

 

[Stouter]

There's not enough people saying they should do something for a job to make it mean anything. There are enough people that bitch about how one job is too powerful at one aspect of the game though. Smn blm rdm watch out, people will bitch and SE will respond. We don't need jobs having strengths, everyone needs to be balanced. It's not fair that you can do something better than another job.

 

[Westyle]

Has any petition to reverse a patch in an MMO ever worked before?

 

[Sculli]

There are many MMO publishers that change the way the game works very late into the game. Good example would be EQ, where Sony after ..., 5 years changed the way Bards can gain XP by swarm kiting mobs. It was an essential change and a big time nerf.

WoW is changing the way Hunter pets work in their upcoming 1.9 patch (weeks or months away), and more than a year after release. This 1.9 patch will essentially make pets meaningless in terms of DPS in many cases. WoW has been released in Nov 2004.

There probably isn't another game out there that as seen as many changes as SWG.

The problem with personal letters is that they tend to not reach the right people. Some dude who makes $9.50 in SE's CS department couldn't care less whether you have something to say. (Yes, he or she should care, but in reality very few people do.)

If you really want to achieve something, then buy a Vivendi share, and send a well formulated factual letter to the board. Chances are none of the board members know anything about FFXI, but if you can demonstrate the negative impact these changes can have on the bottom line, then you may get the help you are looking for.

 

[Jague]

SOE royally fucked SWG........I regret buying it now.

 

[Yoshindor]

They should just make it so that the mob walks back and doesnt aggro till its back to its "home" instead of just disappearing

they can't do that, that would make sense!

 

[Yoshindor]

No, rng was adjusted so that your ranged attacks will not hit an exp mob more than 2/3 of the time, no matter how much racc gear and sushi you eat. A whm in acc gear will hit a deco weapon more with their club than a rng decked out in racc gear will with their ranged weapon. Btw the sweet spot for guns is just out of melee range, if you use a gun you can be in melee range and still do more than 90% of max damage with ranged attacks.

A party of rangers could take down a god? There would be a hell of a lot of running, cause ranger can't tank or heal. Rdm has solo'ed genbu. An alliance of bst have taken down Tiamat. An alliance of rng would last about 20 seconds against Tiamat, and take off less than 10% of his life, and that's before the nerf.

The Dragoon nerf fucked over the whole job to get at one point (mnk with relic knuckles could spam asuran fists)

The Ranger nerf fucked the whole job over to get at one point (rng was too powerful against gods)

The Beastmaster nerf fucked the whole job over to get at one ponit (bst or anyone could easily MPK)

See a pattern? Your partition isn't gonna do shit. SE won't undo what they did. And the next time enough people bitch about how a job is "unbalanced" at one thing. SE will nerf the shit out of that job too. Took them 20 months or so to toss drg a bone, ranger's gone 6 months with nada, and bst got one before, and one with your nerf. Be happy for that.

Sorry but this has to be said!

Your a bloody fucking retard if you think jug pets make up for nerfing someones ability to solo XP efeciantly, A. people choose beastmaster to be alone form elietist ass holes. B. this nerf makes BST's more relaint on partys to make up for lost solo XP because of not being able to juggle pets. C. Who the fuck invites a BST to a party! D. they made an already slow job 10 times slower for no fucking reason!

 

[Miros]

First off, I have to give my props to Lecan for actually trying and attempting to adjust to the nerf.

But I've said it once, I'll say it again. Stop complaining, this "nerf" isn't horrible. Most of the places you xp should have sufficient amount of pets CLOSE to the area you're camping at. Just with the exception of a few that may be difficult.

And in Garlaige...I'm pretty sure your pet usually dies if the hellmine blew up so what's it to you if you have to wait for it to pop again. (And if your worried about the bombs, just be ready to get something going if you don't think it'll blow up) ;p

Planning and stuff like that is good!

 

[Pompidou]

If you no longer like Bst, make like a Rng and change jobs. It took all of a few days for a good 80% of the Ranger population to jump to the next job of the month. If you actually have some pride in your job, you'll have to just suffer the nerf. We all know SE won't reverse an update. If I had a nickel for every time someone proposed a petition to SE to either change something, or get some product released, I could probably buy SE and do it myself. The only two viable options in this situation are live with it or leave. Some Beastmasters are living with it. Many have already left. The remaining Bsts will have to decide where they stand. Many rangers whined that adapting was impossible, and that all was lost, and then a few days later, things were going to be just fine. The day of the Bst nerf, Beastmaster was presumed impossible to level solo, and yet here we are, with many Bsts adapting. Live with the nerf or move on. Nothing else will work. Nothing else ever has. Maybe a year or so down the line, Bsts will get the recent Drg treatment. It's something to hope for.

 

[Mishaela]

Terribly sorry, but hearing "It's not that bad, there's plenty of spaces where there's pets right by XP mobs" for the hundredth time has just gotten old. If you know of so many good spots, why don't you share with the people unfortunate enough to not know of these spots?

And regarding Garlaige's Hellmines...there's only 4 of them. Unless you're having a VERY bad run of luck, the 4th mine will be dead at least 5 minutes before the 1st one repops (Weapons/Jugs/Skels/Ghosts are all way too strong for beetles to take and oil spills will depop so they can't effectively be used)..that being said, if the bombs give 120 or less, it's barely worth going there, if at all, since that'd yield 2000xp an hour at best if chained...not that great. On top of that, unless you have bad luck, you'll be spending 1/3 the time waiting on repops...so it's NOT worthwhile exp unless the bombs give 180+ each without a ring, and even then it's only worthwhile because you can kill beetles inbetween repops (once bombs yield 140 at best, all beetles are DC and then can't be chained)

I know of the Killer Mushroom room in CN, plus the two general chest/coffer areas are good. Asides there and Bostanieux(sp?), I know of zero areas pre-60 post-35 that have spots where XP mobs are right by (or even near) pets. So please, if you're having such an easy time despite the nerf, feel free to give some advice to the people who aren't having such an easy time...otherwise, shut up and stop blowing hot air.

 

[Yoshindor]

Terribly sorry, but hearing "It's not that bad, there's plenty of spaces where there's pets right by XP mobs" for the hundredth time has just gotten old. If you know of so many good spots, why don't you share with the people unfortunate enough to not know of these spots?

And regarding Garlaige's Hellmines...there's only 4 of them. Unless you're having a VERY bad run of luck, the 4th mine will be dead at least 5 minutes before the 1st one repops (Weapons/Jugs/Skels/Ghosts are all way too strong for beetles to take and oil spills will depop so they can't effectively be used)..that being said, if the bombs give 120 or less, it's barely worth going there, if at all, since that'd yield 2000xp an hour at best if chained...not that great. On top of that, unless you have bad luck, you'll be spending 1/3 the time waiting on repops...so it's NOT worthwhile exp unless the bombs give 180+ each without a ring, and even then it's only worthwhile because you can kill beetles inbetween repops (once bombs yield 140 at best, all beetles are DC and then can't be chained)

I know of the Killer Mushroom room in CN, plus the two general chest/coffer areas are good. Asides there and Bostanieux(sp?), I know of zero areas pre-60 post-35 that have spots where XP mobs are right by (or even near) pets. So please, if you're having such an easy time despite the nerf, feel free to give some advice to the people who aren't having such an easy time...otherwise, shut up and stop blowing hot air.

Thankyou for beating me to this post mish, I would have said something similar but with alot more profanity, and telling people to quit tripping balls about the RNG nerf! Because unlike RNG and DRG and evry other nerf this does not affect your XP in partys! This affects how much XP you get varried on level, and where you level, but wait you can only level at certain places at certain levels! /shocked!

 

[Aelliana]

I know of the Killer Mushroom room in CN, plus the two general chest/coffer areas are good. Asides there and Bostanieux(sp?), I know of zero areas pre-60 post-35 that have spots where XP mobs are right by (or even near) pets. So please, if you're having such an easy time despite the nerf, feel free to give some advice to the people who aren't having such an easy time...otherwise, shut up and stop blowing hot air.

A bunch of places: SSG (can level in here for about 10 levels if i remember right), the Kazham Jungles, Altep (we always had to run around for pets and prey there), the Tunnel off of the secret beach in the Dunes (can't remember the name off hand). One of the joys of BST at least for me is just going out and trying different areas. Some work some don't.

 

[Miros]

A bunch of places: SSG (can level in here for about 10 levels if i remember right), the Kazham Jungles, Altep (we always had to run around for pets and prey there), the Tunnel off of the secret beach in the Dunes (can't remember the name off hand). One of the joys of BST at least for me is just going out and trying different areas. Some work some don't.

There ya go. Take a look at the areas alla reccommends. I'd say about 85% are still able to hunt in. You may have to run a little bit (oh my gosh, I have to do work?!) to get new pets, but it's not impossible.

And here's a new flash. Many...MANY BSTs have found the enjoyment of duoing. Guess what? That's a PARTY! :O *gasp* I duoed, does that mean I'm not a true BST cause I was technically in a party?

Seriously people, all I hear is bitching and moaning over something that, does hurt you, but not in a horrible way.

Again, I'll give props to Lecan cause he's trying, and he's coping. Obviously he has more respect and love for the job then some people. Mishaela, back down. You're posts are becoming very snooty and conceited. If you hate the job that much, change.

You say you're sick of hearing "there's plenty of spaces with xp mobs" Well that's just because it's the truth. I'm sick of reading "Boo hoo, I'm crying cause now I actually have to work at my job instead of having crap handed to me."

That's just what I see. Sure you can disagree with what SE did. I disagree, I'm not praising SE for doing this, I'm just saying, deal with it. If you get THIS worked up over a change, you need a long break, and many visits to a psychiatrist to figure out what is really bugging you deep inside.

And just to clear up confusion: I do NOT think SE made a good choice. I DO however believe that people should put their egos aside and go with the flow.

 

[Miros]

Oh, and btw, I leveled on skeletons down there, don't tell me beetles aren't enough to kill them...unless you are just standing on the sidelines watching...then you're just plain lazy.

 

[Stouter]

Sorry but this has to be said!

Your a bloody fucking retard if you think jug pets make up for nerfing someones ability to solo XP efeciantly, A. people choose beastmaster to be alone form elietist ass holes. B. this nerf makes BST's more relaint on partys to make up for lost solo XP because of not being able to juggle pets. C. Who the fuck invites a BST to a party! D. they made an already slow job 10 times slower for no fucking reason!

I said they tossed bst a bone, I didn't say that what they gave was as big of a boost as what they took away. Reread what I wrote, it says be happy you got anything at all.

When you add in lfg time and party time, bst will still easily level faster than most melee 60+, even if you're only getting 2k/hr.

And ish, for you level it might be worth it to explore Toraimarai Canal, DC-EM Canal Pugil vs T Scavenger Crab, there's a tunnel on the windy walls map where you can do that. Or you can always send bats on bones, they're both DC-T for you. Right now you're at that ugly level that parties hit about 6-7 levels before you, where there is very little to choose from for exp.

 

[Blackchaoshero]

People who play bst play it cause it's a good solo job. they have odd hours or dislike lfg or whatever so they took bst cause it didn't have to rely on 5 other people to do anything. SE nerfed bst and made exp'ing with bst party only and that's just a kick in the nuts for any bsts out there.

 

[Fonzy]

hmmm

I'de love to say I've adapted to the nerf, but I really can't cause I've hit a string of levels so incredibley frustrating due to lack of leveling areas for solo play that I can't believe I'm still playing this game. This problem was here before the nerf, so I can't blame it on that update. Level 67-70 are hell, as frustrating if not more so than 1-35.

I have noticed a few things though concerning the update

1) don't even bother throwing your flags BST, you won't get an invite unless it's from a friend or your paying each member 100k for each hour your playing with them. All week I had my flag up, because of the frustration of level 69 I was willing to party to get to 70(something BST isn't suited for, BST's belong with SMN's and other BST for exp) even though I'm deathly opposed to leveling in party. Not a single tell, not a single inquiry. There are always 20+ melees in my level range lfp and all of them actually have job abilities and traits geared towards partying, unlike us.

2) the update makes it so you can be far more careless with release than ever before. you can put linking mobs or agro mobs against each other and not have to worry about your former pet kicking your ass after leave. 2 ways to view this, either it means an aspect of the job has been dumbed down or it's just one less thing to worry about. I will admit, I have been abusing it.

3) people are leaving the job. and say what you will about them being "committed" BST's or not, the fact is that the old names I know and were excellent BST's are leaving the job. Soon your going to see the party BST be the only one left and my opinion of a party BST is up there with a level 40 that is rank 6. But since the nerf, believe me guys, I understand why you are doing it.

4) mobs popping back as a different difficulty is the worse part of the nerf by far. Dragging pets is bad, but the amount of times I spent converting pets to EM's to get fast and efficient experience is what made leveling solo efficiently possible for alot of us. I can't think of a camp I didn't do this at.

And please, if your not a BST, please don't comment on how bad we have or don't have it. Once you've played the job both ways, make a decision instead of talking out of your ass on a job you don't know shit about. This isn't about RNG, so stop bringing it up.

Yoshindor, about the reasons we play BST.... right on man.

 

[Yoshindor]

I said they tossed bst a bone, I didn't say that what they gave was as big of a boost as what they took away. Reread what I wrote, it says be happy you got anything at all.

When you add in lfg time and party time, bst will still easily level faster than most melee 60+, even if you're only getting 2k/hr.

I read your argument. I'm telling you it's irrelivent just like you. This is not about the "poor RNG" no ones gives a fuck anymore you still get partys you still do great dammage it just takes actual skill to do it! OMG SKILL! OH NOEZ!

The problem with what they did to BST is they made an already difficult job even more stressfull and 10 X longer to lvl fo absolutely no reason! Honestly could you with a straight face tell me BST was "TOO POWERFULL" This is simply just a grosse display of lazyness!

And yes your right they woln't give a shit about what people say, till their bottom line is being hurt!

 

[Fonzy]

There ya go. Take a look at the areas alla reccommends. I'd say about 85% are still able to hunt in. You may have to run a little bit (oh my gosh, I have to do work?!) to get new pets, but it's not impossible. .

I do do this and agree, exploring is one of the best parts of the job. However, I've found alot of the suggested alternatives suck, but that's just me. Every BST has different preferences for a camp so I can only say what I was able to make work for me

And here's a new flash. Many...MANY BSTs have found the enjoyment of duoing. Guess what? That's a PARTY! :O *gasp* I duoed, does that mean I'm not a true BST cause I was technically in a party? .

I equate duoing and trioing with the heart of the job, your not reduced to simplay a big dumb dd that swings an axe then hits a pet attack macro. In a duo or trio, your a healer, a support type job, a DD, a tank and of course, a master of hate control. I love trios, and bizare parties, however if I'm locked into the classic Tank Healer Refresher DD DD DD party and all I am is a DD then why did I even do this job?

Seriously people, all I hear is bitching and moaning over something that, does hurt you, but not in a horrible way. .

Hey! I'm american, it's my job to complain. But seriously, the nerf hasn't affected me that much as my current exp has gone to shit anyway. I do regret not being able to do a 6 BSt party against manticores anymore, that was fun as hell.

You say you're sick of hearing "there's plenty of spaces with xp mobs" Well that's just because it's the truth. I'm sick of reading "Boo hoo, I'm crying cause now I actually have to work at my job instead of having crap handed to me." .

Now do you honestly think that is appropriate? Any BST that has gotten past 35 know what work is. They know what it is like to pay for their mistakes. We had it rough before man compared to other jobs, to say we didn't work for every bit of exp before this nerf is fucking rediculous. Are you going to start BSt on a new character just so you can see what "real" work is?

That's just what I see. Sure you can disagree with what SE did. I disagree, I'm not praising SE for doing this, I'm just saying, deal with it. If you get THIS worked up over a change, you need a long break, and many visits to a psychiatrist to figure out what is really bugging you deep inside. .

everyone that post here probably needs to see a psychologist but that is a story for another time. I agree in essence, we need to move on and not cry foul every 20 seconds, however, if we can try and do something that can make SE tweak this update for the better(which I'm sure we can't) I'll try it cause I know how this will affect some of the BST's below me in level

 

[Pompidou]

The only way to get change is to do things SE doesn't expect, and doesn't want. SE doesn't care if they ruin your play time. They care if you "ruin" their game. If you want this anti-mpk measure adjusted, you have to exploit it in a negative manner to raise public outcry. If people abused the adjustment to totally empty out zones, that would certainly bring attention to the cause. It'd probably bring account suspensions too, but I guess if you really believe in your cause, you'd take one for the team. SE only adjusts percieved exploits.