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Guantanamo is shutting down, the show-trials against the detainees are on hold until real trials with a half a semblance of defendant rights are worked out (seriously, a trial where the defendant can't be shown the evidence against him because it's secret it a joke), and waterboarding is already torture. We finally have an attorney general who is willing to make a statement on the issue. Maybe by the end of Obama's first four years, the US will once again stand for liberty and freedom. We came horribly close to a totalitarian police state.
 
Giving the detainee's real trials - Great.

My opinion on closing it down fully depends entirely on how they handle the inmates. If they plan on shutting it down gung ho with no real plan on moving them to a set location, they should probably wait a while.
 
It's weird to me, though, that a lot of people don't agree with the way he plans to handle the trials, but I guess if I were a 9/11 victim, I'd want to see them get the most unfair end of the legal system. I've been reading up a lot on the changes that have already begun to take place and I have to say that Obama doesn't just talk about things, he's been making them happen. He knows that we need to see rapid action to make changes in the right direction. I also like how he is reviewing the salaries of all White House employees making over six figures. This shows us that we're not going to be the only ones that are hit with financial issues like layoffs or furloughs.

I also like his stance on "Don't ask, don't tell" because it's archaic and I don't see how your admission of sexual orientation would affect your ability to serve your country or anyone else's. It seems like legalized job discrimination to me.

We seem to still be moving in the direction of "police state," I'm afraid. The federal appeals court recently ruled that those who are "reasonally believed" can have their phone lines wired-tapped and computer monitored without first securing a warrant because this can make it harder for "time-sensitive" evidence to be found against people. Ironically enough, this is called the "Protect America Act."
 
Maybe by the end of Obama's first four years, the US will once again stand for liberty and freedom. We came horribly close to a totalitarian police state.

you think that was close to a totalitarian police state, just wait until Obama get his national police force that is gonna be better funded and armed than the military. heil Obama!
 
you think that was close to a totalitarian police state, just wait until Obama get his national police force that is gonna be better funded and armed than the military. heil Obama!

He can use the same force that Bush used to blackbag and detain all those "terrorists" he was wiretapping.
 
you think that was close to a totalitarian police state, just wait until Obama get his national police force that is gonna be better funded and armed than the military. heil Obama!

Yes, it's just a matter of time before he starts rounding up conservatives and sending them to special "education camps" where they'll turn gay, embrace the joys of abortion, and suddenly decide they never really liked guns all that much. Then he'll shut down all the oilfields and coal mines and anything else that might possibly contribute to global warming as part of a clandestine effort to break our industrial base and return us to a smaller, agrarian culture... and make us convert to Islam.
 
you think that was close to a totalitarian police state, just wait until Obama get his national police force that is gonna be better funded and armed than the military. heil Obama!

Oh boy, you again..

You're free to live somewhere else, you know.
 
Yes, it's just a matter of time before he starts rounding up conservatives and sending them to special "education camps" where they'll turn gay, embrace the joys of abortion, and suddenly decide they never really liked guns all that much. Then he'll shut down all the oilfields and coal mines and anything else that might possibly contribute to global warming as part of a clandestine effort to break our industrial base and return us to a smaller, agrarian culture... and make us convert to Islam.

Hahahahaha

(Yes I know this is a fluff post, but I just had to quote it).
 
Yes, it's just a matter of time before he starts rounding up conservatives and sending them to special "education camps" where they'll turn gay, embrace the joys of abortion, and suddenly decide they never really liked guns all that much. Then he'll shut down all the oilfields and coal mines and anything else that might possibly contribute to global warming as part of a clandestine effort to break our industrial base and return us to a smaller, agrarian culture... and make us convert to Islam.

You should really know something about us conservatives. We don't learn lessons. :S
 
He closed down the secret CIA detention centers, and is guaranteeing Geneva Convention rights for all prisoners. The news didn't mention anything about our policy of sending prisoners to nations that do torture for interrogation, but hopefully Obama stops that too. Even if he can't fix the economy, he's already left a good mark on the nation as president. Morals matter. One of the things the US should always have over third world dictatorships is that we're not barbaric. Hopefully in a few weeks, this will be true again.
 
you think that was close to a totalitarian police state, just wait until Obama get his national police force that is gonna be better funded and armed than the military. heil Obama!

You have no clue about anything happening in the world around you.

Anyway...

Wow, no more gifts from lobbyists...

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Executive Order -- Ethics Commitments by Executive Branch Personnel
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 301 of title 3, United States Code, and sections 3301 and 7301 of title 5, United States Code, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Ethics Pledge. Every appointee in every executive agency appointed on or after January 20, 2009, shall sign, and upon signing shall be contractually committed to, the following pledge upon becoming an appointee:

"As a condition, and in consideration, of my employment in the United States Government in a position invested with the public trust, I commit myself to the following obligations, which I understand are binding on me and are enforceable under law:

"1. Lobbyist Gift Ban. I will not accept gifts from registered lobbyists or lobbying organizations for the duration of my service as an appointee.

"2. Revolving Door Ban All Appointees Entering Government. I will not for a period of 2 years from the date of my appointment participate in any particular matter involving specific parties that is directly and substantially related to my former employer or former clients, including regulations and contracts.

"3. Revolving Door Ban Lobbyists Entering Government. If I was a registered lobbyist within the 2 years before the date of my appointment, in addition to abiding by the limitations of paragraph 2, I will not for a period of 2 years after the date of my appointment:

(a) participate in any particular matter on which I lobbied within the 2 years before the date of my appointment;

(b) participate in the specific issue area in which that particular matter falls; or

(c) seek or accept employment with any executive agency that I lobbied within the 2 years before the date of my appointment.

"4. Revolving Door Ban Appointees Leaving Government. If, upon my departure from the Government, I am covered by the post employment restrictions on communicating with employees of my former executive agency set forth in section 207(c) of title 18, United States Code, I agree that I will abide by those restrictions for a period of 2 years following the end of my appointment.

"5. Revolving Door Ban Appointees Leaving Government to Lobby. In addition to abiding by the limitations of paragraph 4, I also agree, upon leaving Government service, not to lobby any covered executive branch official or non career Senior Executive Service appointee for the remainder of the Administration.

"6. Employment Qualification Commitment. I agree that any hiring or other employment decisions I make will be based on the candidate's qualifications, competence, and experience.

"7. Assent to Enforcement. I acknowledge that the Executive Order entitled 'Ethics Commitments by Executive Branch Personnel,' issued by the President on January 21, 2009, which I have read before signing this document, defines certain of the terms applicable to the foregoing obligations and sets forth the methods for enforcing them. I expressly accept the provisions of that Executive Order as a part of this agreement and as binding on me. I understand that the terms of this pledge are in addition to any statutory or other legal restrictions applicable to me by virtue of Federal Government service."

Sec. 2. Definitions. As used herein and in the pledge set forth in section 1 of this order:

(a) "Executive agency" shall include each "executive agency" as defined by section 105 of title 5, United States Code, and shall include the Executive Office of the President; provided, however, that for purposes of this order "executive agency" shall include the United States Postal Service and Postal Regulatory Commission, but shall exclude the Government Accountability Office.

(b) "Appointee" shall include every full time, non career Presidential or Vice-Presidential appointee, non career appointee in the Senior Executive Service (or other SES type system), and appointee to a position that has been excepted from the competitive service by reason of being of a confidential or policymaking character (Schedule C and other positions excepted under comparable criteria) in an executive agency. It does not include any person appointed as a member of the Senior Foreign Service or solely as a uniformed service commissioned officer.

(c) "Gift"

(1) shall have the definition set forth in section 2635.203(b) of title 5, Code of Federal Regulations;

(2) shall include gifts that are solicited or accepted indirectly as defined at section 2635.203(f) of title 5, Code of Federal Regulations; and

(3) shall exclude those items excluded by sections 2635.204(b), (c), (e)(1) & (3) and (j) (l) of title 5, Code of Federal Regulations.

(d) "Covered executive branch official" and "lobbyist" shall have the definitions set forth in section 1602 of title 2, United States Code.

(e) "Registered lobbyist or lobbying organization" shall mean a lobbyist or an organization filing a registration pursuant to section 1603(a) of title 2, United States Code, and in the case of an organization filing such a registration, "registered lobbyist" shall include each of the lobbyists identified therein.

(f) "Lobby" and "lobbied" shall mean to act or have acted as a registered lobbyist.

(g) "Particular matter" shall have the same meaning as set forth in section 207 of title 18, United States Code, and section 2635.402(b)(3) of title 5, Code of Federal Regulations.

(h) "Particular matter involving specific parties" shall have the same meaning as set forth in section 2641.201(h) of title 5, Code of Federal Regulations, except that it shall also include any meeting or other communication relating to the performance of one's official duties with a former employer or former client, unless the communication applies to a particular matter of general applicability and participation in the meeting or other event is open to all interested parties.

(i) "Former employer" is any person for whom the appointee has within the 2 years prior to the date of his or her appointment served as an employee, officer, director, trustee, or general partner, except that "former employer" does not include any executive agency or other entity of the Federal Government, State or local government, the District of Columbia, Native American tribe, or any United States territory or possession.

(j) "Former client" is any person for whom the appointee served personally as agent, attorney, or consultant within the 2 years prior to the date of his or her appointment, but excluding instances where the service provided was limited to a speech or similar appearance. It does not include clients of the appointee's former employer to whom the appointee did not personally provide services.

(k) "Directly and substantially related to my former employer or former clients" shall mean matters in which the appointee's former employer or a former client is a party or represents a party.

(l) "Participate" means to participate personally and substantially.

(m) "Post-employment restrictions" shall include the provisions and exceptions in section 207(c) of title 18, United States Code, and the implementing regulations.

(n) "Government official" means any employee of the executive branch.

(o) "Administration" means all terms of office of the incumbent President serving at the time of the appointment of an appointee covered by this order.

(p) "Pledge" means the ethics pledge set forth in section 1 of this order.

(q) All references to provisions of law and regulations shall refer to such provisions as in effect on January 20, 2009.

Sec. 3. Waiver.

(a) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget, or his or her designee, in consultation with the Counsel to the President or his or her designee, may grant to any current or former appointee a written waiver of any restrictions contained in the pledge signed by such appointee if, and to the extent that, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, or his or her designee, certifies in writing (i) that the literal application of the restriction is inconsistent with the purposes of the restriction, or (ii) that it is in the public interest to grant the waiver. A waiver shall take effect when the certification is signed by the Director of the Office of Management and Budget or his or her designee.

(b) The public interest shall include, but not be limited to, exigent circumstances relating to national security or to the economy. De minimis contact with an executive agency shall be cause for a waiver of the restrictions contained in paragraph 3 of the pledge.

Sec. 4. Administration.

(a) The head of every executive agency shall, in consultation with the Director of the Office of Government Ethics, establish such rules or procedures (conforming as nearly as practicable to the agency's general ethics rules and procedures, including those relating to designated agency ethics officers) as are necessary or appropriate to ensure that every appointee in the agency signs the pledge upon assuming the appointed office or otherwise becoming an appointee; to ensure that compliance with paragraph 3 of the pledge is addressed in a written ethics agreement with each appointee to whom it applies, which agreement shall also be approved by the Counsel to the President or his or her designee prior to the appointee commencing work; to ensure that spousal employment issues and other conflicts not expressly addressed by the pledge are addressed in ethics agreements with appointees or, where no such agreements are required, through ethics counseling; and generally to ensure compliance with this order within the agency.

(b) With respect to the Executive Office of the President, the duties set forth in section 4(a) shall be the responsibility of the Counsel to the President or his or her designee.

(c) The Director of the Office of Government Ethics shall:

(1) ensure that the pledge and a copy of this order are made available for use by agencies in fulfilling their duties under section 4(a) above;

(2) in consultation with the Attorney General or the Counsel to the President or their designees, when appropriate, assist designated agency ethics officers in providing advice to current or former appointees regarding the application of the pledge; and

(3) in consultation with the Attorney General and the Counsel to the President or their designees, adopt such rules or procedures as are necessary or appropriate:

(i) to carry out the foregoing responsibilities;

(ii) to apply the lobbyist gift ban set forth in paragraph 1 of the pledge to all executive branch employees;

(iii) to authorize limited exceptions to the lobbyist gift ban for circumstances that do not implicate the purposes of the ban;

(iv) to make clear that no person shall have violated the lobbyist gift ban if the person properly disposes of a gift as provided by section 2635.205 of title 5, Code of Federal Regulations;

(v) to ensure that existing rules and procedures for Government employees engaged in negotiations for future employment with private businesses that are affected by their official actions do not affect the integrity of the Government's programs and operations;

(vi) to ensure, in consultation with the Director of the Office of Personnel Management, that the requirement set forth in paragraph 6 of the pledge is honored by every employee of the executive branch;

(4) in consultation with the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, report to the President on whether full compliance is being achieved with existing laws and regulations governing executive branch procurement lobbying disclosure and on steps the executive branch can take to expand to the fullest extent practicable disclosure of such executive branch procurement lobbying and of lobbying for presidential pardons, and to include in the report both immediate action the executive branch can take and, if necessary, recommendations for legislation; and

(5) provide an annual public report on the administration of the pledge and this order.

(d) The Director of the Office of Government Ethics shall, in consultation with the Attorney General, the Counsel to the President, and the Director of the Office of Personnel Management, or their designees, report to the President on steps the executive branch can take to expand to the fullest extent practicable the revolving door ban set forth in paragraph 5 of the pledge to all executive branch employees who are involved in the procurement process such that they may not for 2 years after leaving Government service lobby any Government official regarding a Government contract that was under their official responsibility in the last 2 years of their Government
service; and to include in the report both immediate action the executive branch can take and, if necessary, recommendations for legislation.

(e) All pledges signed by appointees, and all waiver certifications with respect thereto, shall be filed with the head of the appointee's agency for permanent retention in the appointee's official personnel folder or equivalent folder.

Sec. 5. Enforcement.

(a) The contractual, fiduciary, and ethical commitments in the pledge provided for herein are solely enforceable by the United States pursuant to this section by any legally available means, including debarment proceedings within any affected executive agency or judicial civil proceedings for declaratory, injunctive, or monetary relief.

(b) Any former appointee who is determined, after notice and hearing, by the duly designated authority within any agency, to have violated his or her pledge may be barred from lobbying any officer or employee of that agency for up to 5 years in addition to the time period covered by the pledge. The head of every executive agency shall, in consultation with the Director of the Office of Government Ethics, establish procedures to implement this subsection, which procedures shall include (but not be limited to) providing for factfinding and investigation of possible violations of this order and for referrals to the Attorney General for his or her consideration pursuant to subsection (c).

(c) The Attorney General or his or her designee is authorized:

(1) upon receiving information regarding the possible breach of any commitment in a signed pledge, to request any appropriate Federal investigative authority to conduct such investigations as may be appropriate; and

(2) upon determining that there is a reasonable basis to believe that a breach of a commitment has occurred or will occur or continue, if not enjoined, to commence a civil action against the former employee in any United States District Court with jurisdiction to consider the matter.

(d) In any such civil action, the Attorney General or his or her designee is authorized to request any and all relief authorized by law, including but not limited to:

(1) such temporary restraining orders and preliminary and permanent injunctions as may be appropriate to restrain future, recurring, or continuing conduct by the former employee in breach of the commitments in the pledge he or she signed; and

(2) establishment of a constructive trust for the benefit of the United States, requiring an accounting and payment to the United States Treasury of all money and other things of value received by, or payable to, the former employee arising out of any breach or attempted breach of the pledge signed by the former employee.

Sec. 6. General Provisions.

(a) No prior Executive Orders are repealed by this order. To the extent that this order is inconsistent with any provision of any prior Executive Order, this order shall control.

(b) If any provision of this order or the application of such provision is held to be invalid, the remainder of this order and other dissimilar applications of such provision shall not be affected.

(c) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(1) authority granted by law to a department, agency, or the head thereof; or

(2) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budget, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(d) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(e) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

(f) The definitions set forth in this order are solely applicable to the terms of this order, and are not otherwise intended to impair or affect existing law.

BARACK OBAMA

THE WHITE HOUSE,
January 21, 2009


or the important part for those of you that don't want to read it all:

Section 1. Ethics Pledge. Every appointee in every executive agency appointed on or after January 20, 2009, shall sign, and upon signing shall be contractually committed to, the following pledge upon becoming an appointee:

"As a condition, and in consideration, of my employment in the United States Government in a position invested with the public trust, I commit myself to the following obligations, which I understand are binding on me and are enforceable under law:

"1. Lobbyist Gift Ban. I will not accept gifts from registered lobbyists or lobbying organizations for the duration of my service as an appointee.

Wow.
 
You have no clue about anything happening in the world around you.

this idiot gets on here and says america was almost a totalitarian police state. and how obama has shown us all the way to rightgeousness within his 1 day as president. and i am the one that has no clue whats going on when i state the fact that obama wants a national police force. ya, ok.
 
This is kind of like takin' the paddle out of the Principle's office. What's to stop me from goin' now? Alternative school? Yeah... right.

Let's look at more important things though. Hillary Clinton bein' Secretary of State, a woman who blames video games and television instead of bad parentin' and more rational things, on child/society misbehavior, that's mighty sick. Also, I don't have a word for this but an explanation: I get hired on the board of a school as the double MFIC and I hire my Dad, friends, family, and dog, (anyone who helped me get there or had the money to buy a slot) to aid me.

Let's also not forget his first words in his acceptance speech a while back, that pretty much beat around the bush about how he'd be very UNLIKELY to fulfill all of his promises he campaigned on. Very understandable, as they all have done it, but didn't he campaign on bein' different and upholdin' his word?

Right now, everything is shaky, which is to be expected I guess. He could do some good, eventually, but right now he's made an unnecessary mess of things just to what seems like a "stick it to the man" situation.

So right now, I say we look pretty vulnerable.

There are positives though. Once the dust clears we'll see how he does. The only thing I fear of him is bein' to weak to properly defend us, or at least seem it to other nations. He's a very, very unconfrontational type guy in a position that needs to know how to dish out some pain if need be. I'd like to see how tough he can be if he needs to be.
 
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this idiot gets on here and says america was almost a totalitarian police state. and how obama has shown us all the way to rightgeousness within his 1 day as president. and i am the one that has no clue whats going on when i state the fact that obama wants a national police force. ya, ok.

Easy there. I'm no idiot, thanks. If you rephrase your message to something like: "I disagree that America was becoming a totalitarian police state. I think it's too early in Obama's presidency to judge his effect on world opinion." then you would probably receive a warmer reception. It's ok to disagree with me. You won't make any friends calling people idiots out of the blue.

I actually never even said Obama has shown us the way to righteousness. I made no mention of how many days he served in office. I said that he closed Guantanamo, secret CIA camps, suspended prosecutions, and that maybe in four years America will stand for liberty and freedom. I have no problems being put down, but make sure you get it right. I also said that the US needs to be better than the nation it fights, and that I hope this becomes true. I can read my own posts. I can read yours. Make sure you do the same.
 
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this idiot gets on here and says america was almost a totalitarian police state.

First off, he's wrong but that's no reason to call him an idiot. The last administration was more fascist than anything.

and how obama has shown us all the way to rightgeousness within his 1 day as president.

I must have missed that part.

and i am the one that has no clue whats going on when i state the fact that obama wants a national police force. ya, ok.

Well that's it, national police force = Hitler.

For anyone who cares, he is talking about a single quote that pertains to a national police force from a speech 6 months ago.

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

He is talking about expanding the Peace Corps, Department of State, Treasury, Homeland Security, as well as the FBI and CIA.

Our current budget gives the biggest piece of the pie to the Department of Defense while most everyone else gets the shaft. One of Obamas biggest supporters on the subject is Robert Gates (Sec. of Defense). The military can't handle everything all the time, especially when we are fighting a war.
 
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First off, he's wrong but that's no reason to call him an idiot. The last administration was more fascist than anything.

Yeah, I was wrong about "totalitarian." Fascist is the better term. I stand by "police state" though, because of the arrests without habeus corpus, less than legal wiretapping, and the entire notion of security over freedom. I was half wrong.
 
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL sorry i have to laugh at this really hard.... don't rely on the military any more then.. when we go away WATCH what happens
 
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL sorry i have to laugh at this really hard.... don't rely on the military any more then.. when we go away WATCH what happens

You won't "go away", you just won't be crowd control at protests, you won't be sent to clean up after hurricanes, and so on and so forth. The military will be left to do what they were meant to do: defend our borders and attack our enemies.

We just won't have to rely on the military for things that aren't their job.
 
So your saying its ok for Obama to have his own version of the Gestapo... not saying they will do such things as the Gestapo, but giving one man his own little "private" police force is stupid man.... thats too much power
 
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