Vang the liar

[Mistaya]

In one sentence GimS is preaching about trust, in the next s/he's mocking Vang for being too trusting. Nice going!

There is a something we as a species call intelligence. Part of that intelligence is knowing _who_ to trust. Obviously Vang does not know how to make this judgement responsibly. There is a key difference in trusting a linkshell member and longtime friend, and someone you dont know at all who just happens to have money. The fact that Vang uses Shel's wealth as an indicator of his ability to be trusted is flawed and frankly stupid. It also shows how much importance he places on a currency which doesnt actually exist.

Obviously none of the blame goes to the person who actually scammed Vang, eh? It's all his fault for thinking that he could hold someone to a deal that they proposed...

No, Vang proposed it. Not shel. That is a key point. Technically you could say Vang scammed himself out of his boots. I feel bad for cluttering up this thread but Vang himself responds to every provocation in a very childish manner and this IS the flameboard. I don't fault you for defending your friend but he is arrogant to the point where no one is really going to feel sorry for him.

If typing 'leet' about WorldofWarcraft players is all you can do Vang, please shoot yourself now hun. I have never conversed that way nor does Xel, and you only further prove your lack of imagination by using that as a pitifully weak counter to our statements. Or maybe we are just getting to you. Also pointing out the fact that you lack an HNM shell means none will take you because of your attitude. Anyone can make money, but only a team can take down the big boys of Vanadiel. No one wants you on their team. Should I get a box of kleenex for you now Vang or you want to get it yourself?

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Thank you Shia for translating, I can understand the translation very well, and appreciate the work. That photo quality is awful x_x; how did you do it?

Also, GM tells Tiamat he can not do anything, and Tiamat can not talk to his superior. Which is the same as GM told Tiya I think.

This is a question of honor, and only Vang and Shel can finish this. If Shel gives boots back, we will know the truth. If he does not, or cannot because he does not have them, truth cannot be known because boots are still missing and there is no proof either way. I think Vang lost boots because it would be very hard for Vang to make up this story and he has no reason. Also, it would be very bad to slander Shel's name for no reason, and Vang would not do that I think. It is hard to know what to believe when two sides say differently.

-_-;;

 

[TiyaKelth]

There was some worries that a pair could be lost

There is a something we as a species call intelligence. Part of that intelligence is knowing _who_ to trust

So I can call gims unintelligent for putting trust in people that could have stolen them, as gims said him/herself that there was some worry that they would?

 

[Shia]

I am pretty sure Tiamat is a PS2 user. The only way I can think of a PS2 player to take photos is a digital camera. Which I see every often in some boards as a screenshot of evidence.

 

[vang]

In one sentence GimS is preaching about trust, in the next s/he's mocking Vang for being too trusting. Nice going!

There is a something we as a species call intelligence. Part of that intelligence is knowing _who_ to trust. Obviously Vang does not know how to make this judgement responsibly. There is a key difference in trusting a linkshell member and longtime friend, and someone you dont know at all who just happens to have money. The fact that Vang uses Shel's wealth as an indicator of his ability to be trusted is flawed and frankly stupid. It also shows how much importance he places on a currency which doesnt actually exist.

Obviously none of the blame goes to the person who actually scammed Vang, eh? It's all his fault for thinking that he could hold someone to a deal that they proposed...

No, Vang proposed it. Not shel. That is a key point. Technically you could say Vang scammed himself out of his boots. I feel bad for cluttering up this thread but Vang himself responds to every provocation in a very childish manner and this IS the flameboard. I don't fault you for defending your friend but he is arrogant to the point where no one is really going to feel sorry for him.

If typing 'leet' about WorldofWarcraft players is all you can do Vang, please shoot yourself now hun. I have never conversed that way nor does Xel, and you only further prove your lack of imagination by using that as a pitifully weak counter to our statements. Or maybe we are just getting to you. Also pointing out the fact that you lack an HNM shell means none will take you because of your attitude. Anyone can make money, but only a team can take down the big boys of Vanadiel. No one wants you on their team. Should I get a box of kleenex for you now Vang or you want to get it yourself?

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Thank you Shia for translating, I can understand the translation very well, and appreciate the work. That photo quality is awful x_x; how did you do it?

Also, GM tells Tiamat he can not do anything, and Tiamat can not talk to his superior. Which is the same as GM told Tiya I think.

This is a question of honor, and only Vang and Shel can finish this. If Shel gives boots back, we will know the truth. If he does not, or cannot because he does not have them, truth cannot be known because boots are still missing and there is no proof either way. I think Vang lost boots because it would be very hard for Vang to make up this story and he has no reason. Also, it would be very bad to slander Shel's name for no reason, and Vang would not do that I think. It is hard to know what to believe when two sides say differently.

-_-;;

No, Vang proposed it. Not shel. That is a key point.

Shel did not use blacklist, Shel was talking to me for at least 30 minutes and it wasn't until the last 5 minutes when SHEL offered the trade. I never trapped anyone into anything,

Your key point is crap bitch, you and your buddy (and his feeble flaming ability) have been called out one too many times and made to look like a fool. Every thread of a decent size that I have EVER read on ANY internet forum there is always some Johnny come lately Blowhard who wants to come in and stir things up in the middle without reading the thread. You're "that guy" right now Mistaya.

I took that quote off the first fucking page you lazy dolt. Don't ever type in this thread again until you do your homework first chump, you only make yourself look even more like an ass.

XOXO hugs and kisses "beta tester" guys ^^

 

[Narell]

So... here we are on page... 22? Yea, 22. And we have solved........ nothing. OK, just making sure I didn't miss anything. Continue.

 

[Tyrath]

So uhh Vang what do you have to say about Shia's translations? :roll:

 

[Veresko]

I am pretty sure Tiamat is a PS2 user. The only way I can think of a PS2 player to take photos is a digital camera. Which I see every often in some boards as a screenshot of evidence.

And what does that have to do with anything?

 

[vang]

If Shel continues to play, that proves that you (Vang) is lying.

I really don't get this at all.

 

[Mistaya]

I had told Shel a few time I wanted a Peacock Charm as I planned on leveling Ninja for a good while because I had absolutely enjoyed the job and he finally agreed to trading his PCC for my Strider Boots. I honestly thought that was a fair trade, maybe a bit lopsided in my favor but Shel was leveling RNG at the time and I had assumed the boots were more important for him.

Direct quote from you vang in the "Strider Boots, No mas" thread on the general forum, in your original whiny post. Excuse me for interpreting the bold as you proposing the deal. Get your story straight next time. I have read every page of this bullshit thread and the other or i would not have posted at all. I find it hard to believe that I am the one looking like an ass when you are the running joke of the server.

Honestly if i had done something so stupid as lose my strider boots, (which I never would have), the LAST thing on my mind would be to publicise it all over the community forums.

If Shel continues to play, that proves that you (Vang) is lying.

I believe this is meaning that if Shel had been caught in a lie this bad, he would probably quit the game out of shame. Since Shel has not quit he has nothing to be ashamed about.

That is merely my interpretation of the text, and has nothing to do with what I believe happened.

 

[Nasya]

If Shel continues to play, that proves that you (Vang) is lying.

I really don't get this at all.

I believe tiamat is saying that b/c shell was not banned or jailed by the GMs nothing happened '-'

 

[Mistaya]

If Shel continues to play, that proves that you (Vang) is lying.

I really don't get this at all.

I believe tiamat is saying that b/c shell was not banned or jailed by the GMs nothing happened '-'

That makes more sense^

 

[Dallius]

i didn't think the gm's could punish shel over this... i mean if you think about it, nothing legally wrong happened... only ethically wrong

 

[Hyre]

stig

23 pages, lets do 100

 

[vang]

I had told Shel a few time I wanted a Peacock Charm as I planned on leveling Ninja for a good while because I had absolutely enjoyed the job and he finally agreed to trading his PCC for my Strider Boots. I honestly thought that was a fair trade, maybe a bit lopsided in my favor but Shel was leveling RNG at the time and I had assumed the boots were more important for him.

Direct quote from you vang in the "Strider Boots, No mas" thread on the general forum, in your original whiny post. Excuse me for interpreting the bold as you proposing the deal. Get your story straight next time. I have read every page of this bullshit thread and the other or i would not have posted at all. I find it hard to believe that I am the one looking like an ass when you are the running joke of the server.


Honestly if i had done something so stupid as lose my strider boots, (which I never would have), the LAST thing on my mind would be to publicise it all over the community forums.

If Shel continues to play, that proves that you (Vang) is lying.

I believe this is meaning that if Shel had been caught in a lie this bad, he would probably quit the game out of shame. Since Shel has not quit he has nothing to be ashamed about.

That is merely my interpretation of the text, and has nothing to do with what I believe happened.

You're excused.

Are you sure about not making it public? I wonder considering you don't play this game anymore WOW guy. Is WOW that great that you troll the FF boards still Mr. Has - been? It's easy to say what you would do and not do considering you don't play this MMORPG anymore, you have moved on to another MMORPG huh PC gamer? Tee hee hee...

Shel hasn't been caught in anything, only me saying what happened. He has the support of all his JP community and even alot of NA fanboys have sided with him as well it seems. Since when has one just quit the game when they are busted for something of the sorts? I have heard of a story where some cat quartermastered a PCC on his camping partner and just kept on trucking after everyone had found our about it.

Of course he had to switch jobs and become a BST for the rest of his days.

 

[Chemira (Varuno)]

If this thread was meant to impress Japanese on how americans stick together and defend their neighbour it failed horribly.

I agree.... kinda sad....

 

[Synical]

If Shel continues to play, that proves that you (Vang) is lying.

I really don't get this at all.

I believe tiamat is saying that b/c shell was not banned or jailed by the GMs nothing happened '-'

thats my read on it as well. however, perhaps tiamat being jp expects that the GM's would have taken more action or offered more options towards solving the issue in a more difinitive matter.

~Syn

 

[Veteran]

I'm more inclined to go with the shame route, even though it doesn't make much sense either.

The reason is that you're allowed to scam people all you want. The GMs don't care. An entire textlog of evidence isn't enough for them, so nothing is.:?

 

[Tymon]

I agree with Veteran on this part. If Shel was caught in this epilogue, he/she would have or will probably quit the game out of shame, as if it is proven that this is true, neither JP or NA will respect him/her, shun him/her, and will probably be cast out of the community, causing a basic breakdown, which will result in server migration and/or quitting.

Obviously, this has not happened yet, and if he/she does not quit, I will either believe she/he is absolutely thoughtless and basically stupid to think that he/she will be accepted in both communities again.

Another thing I could think is, that Vang is either giving a go away parade and is trying to totally ruin his repuatation by this possible lie, which he has already somewhat ruined by bashing anyone(probably me also after this post) that replies to this thread. :?

 

[vang]

I agree with Veteran on this part. If Shel was caught in this epilogue, he/she would have or will probably quit the game out of shame, as if it is proven that this is true, neither JP or NA will respect him/her, shun him/her, and will probably be cast out of the community, causing a basic breakdown, which will result in server migration and/or quitting.

Obviously, this has not happened yet, and if he/she does not quit, I will either believe she/he is absolutely thoughtless and basically stupid to think that he/she will be accepted in both communities again.

Another thing I could think is, that Vang is either giving a go away parade and is trying to totally ruin his repuatation by this possible lie, which he has already somewhat ruined by bashing anyone(probably me also after this post) that replies to this thread. :?

Yep you're right you're next :wink:

Tymon, please look where I am bashing people and COMP-RE-HEND as if it hasn't been pointed out a few times before that it is self defense and not an attack WHAT-SO-EVER. People keep bringing it on from every angle and instead of talking about the issue at hand I am forced to deal with them too. God dammit man pay attention.

It's always Vang Vang Vang and COULD NOT possible be any of the people hijacking the thread or the MMORPG vets (snickers) coming back to a forum where they really don't belong since they are retired bashing on me first.

I know I am not getting my boots back, unless of course I proved what happened and Shel out of guilt sent them back. So why would I keep going with this and why would I put my reputation on the line to be ruined forevor on the server? You're theory is wrong by the way, I am not going anywhere soon.


Bobbyjai was the prick that QM'd the PCC btw, i just recalled.

 

[Direwolf]

Shel hasn't been caught in anything, only me saying what happened. He has the support of all his JP community and even alot of NA fanboys have sided with him as well it seems. Since when has one just quit the game when they are busted for something of the sorts? I have heard of a story where some cat quartermastered a PCC on his camping partner and just kept on trucking after everyone had found our about it.

Of course he had to switch jobs and become a BST for the rest of his days.

Ok the quartermaster thing happend to my bro on LL boots, with a guy named Hazezor. Secondly you hear what happened with Lucifer the other night at Admantoise?

My bros LS was camping as was Lucifer, he shouts, You NAs are less then dirt to us, among some other derogetory things. Admantoise pops, lucifer gets the claim and they hold it for 6-7 hours to put the pop time in JPN standard time. Now if I screamed, "We should nuke you bastards again" I would get banned in a heartbeat, what do the guys reporting lucifer get? We will look into the matter.