WAR preferred weapons and why!

Im a hume, I have some MP merits cuz of my other jobs so i tend to make up for the mp loss with drinks or i ask the rdm to refresh me (only if there arent too many people in the cycle). Im a hume, how hard would it be for me to achieve that. Ive been tryin to fine tune my gear set up because I find my damage somewhat lacking at times.
 
All you need to keep the Rune Chopper going is 10 mp. Getting the Refresh to keep it up is the issue. If you have that then it won't matter if you have 1000mp or 10mp.
 
Itachiii said:
I always wondered which would be better for a non Ridill WAR when /NIN. Axe/Axe or GA? True 2 handers got a pretty significant boost with the recent updates but let's not forget dual wield was the undisputed king for meriting before the update. The difference between dual wielding and 2 handers back then was huge. A good NIN back then could blow away all but the very best 2 handers even. Has anyone done any testing comparing the 2? Or if anyone is willing maybe we could parse the 2. I have better than average sets for both Axe/Axe and GA so either will work if someone wants to give it a go.
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Not even close. Both my THF and NIN get torn up by "good" WAR/SAMs, 15-20%+ margin. These are fulltiming seigan WAR/SAMs :| (it's why I'm leveling WAR).

i really hope you're not considering axe/axe, bonus to two-handers is far too large to dual wield.

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Redshift (WAR/SAM - couerl subs?) - 35.1%
Necrosis (NIN/WAR - sole sushi +1) - 29.7%
Longarm (SAM/NIN - coeurl subs?) - 26.1%
Cix (COR/WAR - sushi) - 8.7%

18%ish margin there with seigan basically all the time. Both of them have all the gear they'd really need minus adaberk (for red) and velo belts; I think longarm might have used askar body or something silly, though. My NIN's pretty well-geared, just giving you an idea of how badly I was doing comparitively there. I have another parse of my THF, which does better than my NIN, getting crushed by Demetrios (~30%+), but we only exp'd for about 25 minutes, so take that as you will.

NINTP: http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=30377
NINWS: http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=30378
 
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Necrosis said:
Not even close. Both my THF and NIN get torn up by "good" WAR/SAMs, 15-20%+ margin. These are fulltiming seigan WAR/SAMs :| (it's why I'm leveling WAR).

i really hope you're not considering axe/axe, bonus to two-handers is far too large to dual wield.

edit: @mamool north
Redshift (WAR/SAM - couerl subs?) - 35.1%
Necrosis (NIN/WAR - sole sushi +1) - 29.7%
Longarm (SAM/NIN - coeurl subs?) - 26.1%
Cix (COR/WAR - sushi) - 8.7%

18%ish margin there with seigan basically all the time. Both of them have all the gear they'd really need minus adaberk (for red) and velo belts; I think longarm might have used askar body or something silly, though. My NIN's pretty well-geared, just giving you an idea of how badly I was doing comparitively there. I have another parse of my THF, which does better than my NIN, getting crushed by Demetrios (~30%+), but we only exp'd for about 25 minutes, so take that as you will.

NINTP: http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=30377
NINWS: http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=30378
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I have no doubts whatsover that a GA WAR/SAM will beat a A/A WAR. What I'm wondering is if GA or A/A is better than /NIN. /NIN offers nothing to a GA WAR except dmg mitigation. Whereas an A/A WAR will get -15% dual-wield reduction (+ supp) and can dual a Maneater which offer better additional stats than a Perdu Voulge (which imo is the best GA for merits besides Reilc) and a Juggy which adds on-top of the bonuses that a Manny already gives.
 
25+ more acc from GA, etc.
 
Itachiii said:
I have no doubts whatsover that a GA WAR/SAM will beat a A/A WAR. What I'm wondering is if GA or A/A is better than /NIN. /NIN offers nothing to a GA WAR except dmg mitigation. Whereas an A/A WAR will get -15% dual-wield reduction (+ supp) and can dual a Maneater which offer better additional stats than a Perdu Voulge (which imo is the best GA for merits besides Reilc) and a Juggy which adds on-top of the bonuses that a Manny already gives.
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war/sam is terribly broken to the point where you will die every 5 fights if you decide to go 'all out' as soon as you hit 100tp. although war/sam is a ton of fun in merit parties, 99% of the time you will be going /nin unless you know everyone in you party.
 
eiteen said:
war/sam is terribly broken to the point where you will die every 5 fights if you decide to go 'all out' as soon as you hit 100tp. although war/sam is a ton of fun in merit parties, 99% of the time you will be going /nin unless you know everyone in you party.
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seigan
 
The funny thing about holding tp past 100% is that the person who doesn't tends to die not because he got too much hate(although that is a symptom) but because the other DD aren't using the tp that would outright kill the monster before the ws spamming DD got hurt.
 
Necrosis said:
seigan
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go read mistra's parse thread as war/sam with jamal. its obvious you need seigan and THIRD EYE. i know there are some decently geared axe/axe wars out there that might be able to give gaxe wars a run for their money.
 
The massive difference between Dual-wield and 2handers before the boost... Like I said earlier, before the update a half decent NIN could beat all but the best 2handers pre-update. Not saying A/A is going to outdo the GA for sure but at the same time there is no evidence showing which comes out on top.
 
Depending on who you xp with WAR/SAM is either a death sentence or a massive MP sponge even with Seigan being full-timed.
 
Necrosis said:
shocking discovery! I was pointing out that with the existence of seigan, saying you'll die every 5 fights is such a gross falsehood.
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internet sarcasm. read between the lines.
 
In order for war/sam to work effectively in my opinion you need someone else to assume a ton of the hate, be it a WAR/NIN, a NIN/WAR, or w/e...if this is a Ridill WAR, there damage output will be drastically lower because of shadow recasts. This is again why I favor /nin as the most efficient way to exp.

I know WAR/SAM can in all likelihood out DD me, but if I'm going for optimal exp/hour packages, /NIN I've faired much better with. When a WAR/SAM is with (or DRK/SAM or SAM/WAR) I find myself having to hold hate the entire fights, which incredibly lessens my damage output. If I don't do this, I've seen multiple /SAM die every few fights.

Which group is better for exp/hour? I'd argue that I can efficiently hold a better exp/hour group with /NIN's then /SAM's, others may see it differently. I've yet to see actual data proving that a group can sustain the exp/hour (minus spike parties where you use expwatch until someone dies) for relevant amounts of time...this doesn't mean it's impossible, but I've given it quite the fair shake.
 
I basically use WAR in merit situations and Nyzul Isle assaults. Since moving on from dual axes > Byakko's > Perdu I've been very happy. Good steady reliable damage and consistent Raging Rush makes it the Gaxe of choice fo me. Not sure If I like how it looks, but I know If I see other WAR's with a Perdu in my party I always feel confident that the WAR will do better than mediocre parse %.
 
Seeing as how there are alot of GAs users here, anyone want to put something together to test out A/A vs GA /NIN?
 
Zeoaesir said:
I basically use WAR in merit situations and Nyzul Isle assaults. Since moving on from dual axes > Byakko's > Perdu I've been very happy. Good steady reliable damage and consistent Raging Rush makes it the Gaxe of choice fo me. Not sure If I like how it looks, but I know If I see other WAR's with a Perdu in my party I always feel confident that the WAR will do better than mediocre parse %.
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There aren't too many weapons outside of relic and mythic that are visually appealing, most are bland and lack any real detail.
 
Itachiii said:
Seeing as how there are alot of GAs users here, anyone want to put something together to test out A/A vs GA /NIN?
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Not sure how you'd want to test it really. From my own experience using meat with A/A in merit was touch and go, while using meat with GA is normally a given. I went from using Man/Jug > Byakko's > Perdu. I actually tried testing with pt an hour at a time of each set up. All gear was the same and was always using sushi. If using meat I'd guess the GA might have swung it more in their favour.

I haven't got data save but...

M/J v Bya was very similar %
M/J v Pedu, Perdu was about 3%+ up

All gear was same for each set up
 
The main reason I really only use GA now, as Zeo stated, is that you should be able to eat meat full time and still have ok acc at the end of the day. I have better then average gear for my WAR, and can get away with it quite well. I even switched over to Askar body for TP and haven't noticed a huge loss in acc. Then again, I haven't fought mamool thfs with it either. If I ever notice acc taking a dip, throw the hauberk back on and I'm good to go.

I have no parses to compare my dmg to other A/A wars. I don't have a suppa earing(I have lolknights), but own a fort torq, so its easy to choose what I wield 95% of the time. GA all the way.
 
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