Was Anttaru right?

I'm sorry Anttaru, but nothing about my OP was "improper." This was not a thread to (yet again) debate with you on your religious/scientific/apocolyptic beliefs.

I'm never up for debate on this subject. I'm up for speculation and open mindedness is all. I usually get stones casted at me for it though. As i said in the beginning, if something or nothing happens on that day, we'll see the truth.

How did the ancient civilizations know all these things about the solar system that we're forced to concur with is the focus here.

Arianelle said:
You even admitted that the woman in the article is not playing with a full deck. Saying that immigration is making the land sink and will eventually cause massive floods is like saying that a rogue planet will come to earth a drop off aliens who will enslave the human race... oh wait! (Kidding)

I don't know if the woman is really that rediculis, or if Fox is spreading more crap in the attempt to shape their viewers into being afraid to open up to what our past is telling us. Fox is known to abuse their power on several occasions. The woman, Fox, I felt i was placed in the same category as them to a degree.

Arianelle said:
If you felt that this was a way to provoke you, then I think you took it a bit too personally. Maybe you should learn to laugh at yourself a bit more? I merely wished to point out the humor in the article. It isn't a lol@Anttaru thread and I do apologize if you took it that way.

I take no offense, nor do i feel any way telling people i personally believe in E.T.'s and share my reasons for believing. I've been slammed for it several times here, so when i imply the OP is improper, that's just my way of testing the waters before i start spilling the beans, or whatever happens.

Over all I'm enjoying this thread, we get to talk about E.T.'s, how science and astronomy are blow away by what ancient civilizations knew, we can even talk about how The Vatican is interested in the Hubble telescope and is on the verge of launching one of their own, not to look at the earth, but into the heavens we call outer space. Or we can just make joke.
 
I'm a believer in the magnetic poles flipping, but I don't think that means the end of the world. It means the end of a lot of electronic devices, yes, but the world won't end because of that. Just means a lot of shit will have to be re-made.

Pole shift will cause a lot more ruckus than intense electrical storms that will fry the grid.

Astronomers for some reason revealed that global warming is occurring on all the planets. Now there is the question is our emissions really the cause of more heat ? Or trapped heat as they say.

One thing astronomers know is that very soon we'll be crossing our galactic equator. The gravity shift will make our Sun peak out and supposedly the sun is gradually getting excited.

It's also been reported that our polar caps are melting faster than expected. Well over 140 miles of ice just cracked in half a few years ago, and that is nothing compared to the changes that happened to the northern pole since.

When the ice is melted sea level will not rise or anything. Everyone knows water expands when it's frozen. Looking at the Oceans from outer space water is like a glob with skins and layers. A poles shift happens, and those skins of water will most likely slide down south.

It's been said that pole shift will:

- Cause severe electrical storms ( like you would not believe )
- Cause massive earth quakes worldwide simultaneously
- Cause all volcanoes including the super volcanoes to blow
- Great Tsunami's
- 700+ klm Hurricanes (They'll probably skip the alphabet routine and name it Hurricane Jesus H. Christ)
- Flooding
- Land surfacing ( Remember the earth was once Pangea. I'm betting the land never just broke up and drifted away from one another, It was from pole shift.

Hopi Predict a 25yr period of purification followed by End of Fourth World and beginning of the Fifth.
Mayans Call it the 'end days' or the end of time as we know it.
Maoris Say that as the veils dissolve there will be a merging of the physical & spiritual worlds.
Zulu Believe that the whole world will be turned upside down.
Hindus Kali Yuga (end time of man). The Coming of Kalki & critical mass of Enlightened Ones.
Incas Call it the 'Age of Meeting Ourselves Again'.
Aztec Call this the Time of the Sixth Sun. A time of transformation. Creation of new race.
Dogon Say that the spaceship of the visitors, the Nommo, will return in the form of a blue star
Pueblo Acknowledge it'll be the emergence into the Fifth World
Cherokee Their ancient calendar ends exactly at 2012 as does the Mayan calendar.
Tibetan Kalachakra teachings are prophesies left by Buddha predicting Coming of the Golden Age.
Egypt According to the Great Pyramid (stone calendar), present time cycle ends in year 2012 AD

Science suggests we're just about due for a pole shift. Astronomy acknowledges that winter solstice will be most extreme around 2011-2012.

Our lives have great meaning, and our only purpose is to wake up and be in the right condition. My frequent reading led me to read how we'll undergo great awakening in 2011. I think that has a lot to do with truth surpassing all this deception and confusion we live under.
 
Well if they are worried about Holland getting flooded they better make sure they start fingering those dikes.




(You sick fuck I was referring to the childrens story) :ph34r:
 
The world has been ending since some idiot wrote Revelation. If I go outside on 2012 and see the world ending, I'll be like: "Fuckin' hell. That little bastard was right." And then I'll die. So what?
 
The world has been ending since some idiot wrote Revelation. If I go outside on 2012 and see the world ending, I'll be like: "Fuckin' hell. That little bastard was right." And then I'll die. So what?

What we do as we are now, is what's important. And what we're doing now is leading to our annihilation as a species, and also jeopardizing our eternal existence within every conceivable dimension. It's all about conditioning ourselves into moving onto becoming a greater being. Instead the masses are conditioned to be like a school of fish. Most of us ignore the major concerns and leave it up to someone else to solve our great problems. We're at a point where we're no longer being lead, but being pushed into our own demise, while the creators of all this mess are already savoring their victory.

It's not a matter of who this force is, it's what they are doing. Questions as to their reasonings behind their scheme will lead to other subjects, so for now all i can say, is we are being screwed with a lot more than you'd imagine. It's all about control and domination. For us to not only be dominated, but to become increasingly inferior with in depth reasoning. It's up to us as individuals to step away for a moment and take a solid look at what's happening to us and what direction we're headed.

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Technology in itself reflects what direction we're headed. Everything we do electronically is without consideration for how we get the energy. Alternative energy does exist, and in many cases it is more expensive with redicilous reasons.

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It's ok to do these things is what we remind ourselves, and it should be. The reason we rely on fossil fuels is more complexed than it appears to be. We're under the impression fossil fuels are the only way to continue enjoying the comforts of life.
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Water is a precious element and a key to our survival. We know this yet to continue to cut down trees which has much to do with where water can be found. Over 1000 acres of Trees are cut down daily. We've been conditioned to mistreat the environment and it's elements. As much as i like the fact I have access to a crapper whenever i please, I also think pissing and shitting in water is very wrong, especially where there are people dying of thirst in this world.

On a side note we are also contaminating our drinking water in many ways.
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At this point in my post one might ask what does all of this have to do with death, or the continuation of us as a race. We're proving to ignore the true reality of our nature, and when we need to face the brutal truth, we'll come to realize we may not be in the correct state of mind to be able to function as a higher being. Some do not believe they have a soul or they will carry on. That can very much be the case for that person.

For a very long time we had alternatives to energy consumption. The reasoning for them not coming about has to do with the industrial practice to dominate. Money sucks energy from us. It leads to world poverty and other negative situations affiliated with stress. We worry so much about Money it's to a point where we cannot advance without it. Alternative energy sources would put more of that energy in your pocket and less power would flow into the hands of the ones who insist on dominating us.

Hydro cells are a richer source of fuel than gasoline, and for many years they knew how to use this to generate electricity, make fire, and run automobiles. Since the 70's this technology was known, but not publicized. Over time Water has become more expensive than Oil as it is today. Ford and Chevy have finally announced their Hydro cell automobiles, cars that rely on Water as their fuel source. After all these years, a suppressed technology is now surfacing. This technology will most likely boast the need for distilled water to keep the machine from getting damaged. The Original inventor (Stan Myer) claims it doesn't matter what type of water you us. Tap water, rain water, snow etc.. It'll probably run on grape drink. The industries can only be so obnoxious before the people start to drift away from them, and they'll be as obnoxious as they can be in order to collect more from us. The more they collect, the less things we'll do, or the less we can do in this currency based environment which really has become a prison.

The point in all this is about the type of domination that takes place, and this domination involves much greed and lust for power on behalf of the fewer who stage it. It is one of the many driving forces we submit to. We believe what is announced to be impossible really is impossible. When we're told Pluto is no longer a planet, we all say it no longer is, but once again it's a planet. A Dwarf Planet, but still a planet. Yes the masses do think for themselves, but exposing too much of what they feel is going too far in some cases.

Some do believe, some don't. Some are afraid to express that they believe, some are afraid to step away from the beliefs they were raised with, I'm sorry, but stepping away from God for a moment and looking at the picture from another view does not defy the will of the highest in any shape or form, In doing so you may even discover something really good.

Some of us were taught that we need to be saved, and from the looks of it, they do need to be. But that's the sad thing. We are not to be saved. We are to independently move on without assistance.

I don't see any reason to take 2012 for granted. Ancient civilizations are the founders of the true knowledge. Religion is a combination of truth and lies, everything that's come out of Religion is of the Serpent agenda. The Bible itself warns of great deception. That in itself can be camouflage, so we can blindly and willingly give ourselves away.

2012 I don't think is the end of the world. The world will get rocked and it will not be as it is now. From land scape's to the structures we've made. Some items, electronics and motors will be intact, but will eventually die out from lack of battery life and fuel. Had we been equipped with the suppressed technologies on the massive scale, we wouldn't be blasted back so far into a stone age. The coming years after 2012 will be difficult to endure, and we'll learn not to be like we were. We'll be more considerate and less greedy. The concept of currency will be no more and we'll advance into better species technologically and spiritually. That is all by critical means though. If only the strong can be allowed to survive and we go primal against one another, we'll then parish.

The world will never be told to prepare for this, that would bring us close to one another and the control over us would be no more. New ideas and technology will surface not from the industries, but from the people. People who could never afford to bring their visions to life. Also technology from people who were afraid to expose it. A lot of inventors that claimed to make a device that threatens the oil industries have been hammered for it. Stan Myer was found on a rail road track. It was suggested he was drinking and committed suicide, his best friends says he never drank, and he was harassed by these suits for many years.
 
WTS: Water, Toilet Paper, and Canned Goods. 100 dollars a pop. Get em before the end!!!
 
December 12th, 2012 isn't the end of the world.

It's the release date of Duke Nukem Forever. The Mayans, Ancient Egyptians, and Ancient Chinese never bothered to further their calendars, because the release of Duke Nukem Forever will be mankinds greatest feat possible.
 
December 12th, 2012 isn't the end of the world.

It's the release date of Duke Nukem Forever. The Mayans, Ancient Egyptians, and Ancient Chinese never bothered to further their calendars, because the release of Duke Nukem Forever will be mankinds greatest feat possible.

Win.
 
Tinfoil hat & serpent overlord stuff.

I don't understand why people have to make up great shit that's going on when, in reality, all we have are a bunch of douche bags ruining the world. I'll accept fate, death, end of the world, whatever, because it's what we deserve.
 
Nothing is going to happen.
 
Nothing is going to happen.

I disagree, i think skaw hit the nail on the head.

December 12th, 2012 isn't the end of the world.

It's the release date of Duke Nukem Forever. The Mayans, Ancient Egyptians, and Ancient Chinese never bothered to further their calendars, because the release of Duke Nukem Forever will be mankinds greatest feat possible.

Truth.
 
I don't understand why people have to make up great shit that's going on when, in reality, all we have are a bunch of douche bags ruining the world. I'll accept fate, death, end of the world, whatever, because it's what we deserve.
You can borrow my old tinfoil hat Anttaru avatar if you like.
 
While I do not agree with everything Anttaru suggests or posts, I don't think that their beliefs in a future event should warrant tinfoil hat comments. We as a society have given up too much control to others to decide our fate, thinking, decisions and please take care of me mentality. There are some people out there who will not even think of future retirement plans or supplement income to ensure their futures on their own, simply because they just believe someone will be there to do it for them.

Do I believe the world will end in 2012, no. Do I believe ancient civilizations were far more insightful than our own, yes. I don't think anything will come of the 2012 theory, after the Y2K omgwtf theory. I do think though that if something tragic were to happen we wouldn't be able to cope with it. We just have too many people looking to someone else to take care of matters to get things back on track for a long time to come.
 
While I do not agree with everything Anttaru suggests or posts, I don't think that their beliefs in a future event should warrant tinfoil hat comments.

On both selfish and non selfish levels, I must say your feedback is very good in terms of open mindedness and consideration.

Those who respond to every wolf cry have so much more potential to carry on, that is greater than following what we have been told without looking into it ourselves. Instead we're seeing people who comfortably believe what they have been told is the truth, which is ok. Still they fail to practice what they believe is the right of way. Personally I think people are consumed by the very ego that drives them to continue being the way they are.

For instance there are men like some here, who out of their reputation and bonds with the higher powers in QCDN have a degree of freedom when it comes to defying the rules.

Trolling and flame baiting is not suppose to be tolerated at QCDN. Like now, It's happened several times over with one in particular person here, and the mods will turn a blind eye to what he's doing. The last time I received an infraction for stepping out of line. Even though he trolled me and provoked a war not even he had answers for the reasoning, the mod punished me, added his 2 cents, and also announced how he will give the person he was siding with more rate ups as soon as possible. When i questioned the mod as to what the hell is that about, the mod then said how he does not know what started the battle. Me using the name of a person who posts his face, is supposedly greater than that person trolling and flame baiting without reason.

The moral in this, some people are consumed by their ego, and for some others, it's not in them to be true to their duties when friendships are at steak. From my perspective that is very uneven and negative to all who in truth are to be treated as equal. In fear of "looking" different, people will flock with the popular and adopt the teachings of their new Sheppard. Even though the Sheppard has no reason or knowledge to support their claims for believing in what they do is the actual truth. In other words, no one wants to look like an idiot, nor are they willing to be true to themselves, if it would mean drifting away from the group that makes them feel they are in good hands, they will reject the idea of other possibilities.

elvaankitty said:
We as a society have given up too much control to others to decide our fate, thinking, decisions and please take care of me mentality. There are some people out there who will not even think of future retirement plans or supplement income to ensure their futures on their own, simply because they just believe someone will be there to do it for them.

From the day we're born we're given birth certificates, what people don't know is what it really means to have that certificate. It makes you the property of the country you were born in. No one sees that as a bad thing, but it also means you are to pay tax and make your leader more powerful. We are not to leave without being permitted & accepted. The certificate is a financial grasp, as it's only easy to move into another country if money is the reason for moving there. Large numbers of us end up bound to a career with a house and a car with other great expenses. No time or money to expand our ideas which might be too risky. Most of our technological potential ends up going down the drain because of that. For some people to plan out their retirement, they will have to make sacrifices and live their life in poverty.


elvaankitty said:
Do I believe the world will end in 2012, no. Do I believe ancient civilizations were far more insightful than our own, yes. I don't think anything will come of the 2012 theory, after the Y2K omgwtf theory. I do think though that if something tragic were to happen we wouldn't be able to cope with it. We just have too many people looking to someone else to take care of matters to get things back on track for a long time to come.

The ancients believe the world "as we know it" will end, and life will continue. Be that as it may, in order for a new cycle to take place most of "this" needs to be destroyed. Our survival depends on how we prepare ourselves. In the event of a pole shift, we'll have nothing set aside to ensure our survival. No materials set aside to build much needed green houses to protect critical amounts of vegetation from collected seeds. Much of our crops is said to dry out if it wasn't destroyed. We have technology that can filter and contain drinking water, but not enough of them. Air conditioning can save us from the intense heat waves. Unfortunately the energy the masses harness is from fossil fuels and not any other type of energy available to us. The Governments prefer an energy source they can place a bill on throughout the grid.

Y2K theory was assumed by our modern civilization. It had to do with older computers that would not express the correct time line we're living under when it crosses the year 1999. The programmers liked how they can tell the year with 2 digits, but supposedly the computer would not place a 0 in the correct place. Y2K escalated into rumors of banks getting screwed up and computers coming to an end on the wide scale. People also suggested that all the power would go out because we no longer know how to operate the grid manually. None of this was really an issue, and there were no computer companies that suggested that Y2K is too minor to worry about.

Y2K and other dates that suggested the end of the world, has nothing to do with what various ancient civilizations are saying. I personally think some rumors were made to make us ignorant.

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We know there was:

1. Ice age, around 16,000 BC, Life went one until....

2. Asteroid, around 12,000 BC life went on until...

3. Tsunami around 8,000 BC, Life went on and we had Civilization. and mythology sprung about....

4. Great Flood around 4,000 BC. Biblically speaking this is probably Noah's flood. Science also believes there was a great flood around this time.

2,000 BC Mythology came about, but even before that the Sumerian's knew about all of this stuff, cause well, they are the first to live it. They had the book of Genisis carved out on 22,000 tablets. They also worshiped what they call Annunaki and gained their knowledge from them. Belief in the Annunaki is a preference of the beholder, fact remains, they knew about the solar system long ago at this point.

"Present time" is now, no generation would believe they are the generation that will cross into the 5th world.

5. Around 2,000 AD ? There really is no way of knowing what kind of stories will come about. If this is all true, had we been more prepared we could have planned it out ourselves. Until we learn to pick up the pace and improve how we keep, we'll always be struggling to succeed as a race, so long as we survive the cleansing of the earth.

Greed and lust for domination has proven to miss direct us over and over again. Until we learn to act accordingly we keep getting knocked back with the possibility of no more chances to exist.
 
While I don't necessarily -agree- with Ant, I don't disagree with him either.

For a while now I've been thinking about a lot of things, specifically the coincidences between what is going on in the world and what has been predicted by quite a few civilizations as the "end of the world." Perhaps I'm seeing a pattern where there isn't any, which is entirely possible... it is somewhat human nature after all.

However, one cannot deny that the world is in a very unstable place. I've come to wonder, not necessarily believe, if the world will truly end in 2012. If that is the case, while there may not be anything we can do about it, we may not be able to change it... but we may be able to make the most of the time we have left. Spending more time with family and friends, enjoying life instead of mourning it. I think we should focus less on the death of Armageddon and focus instead more on the time we have remaining on this little dustball.

Perhaps 2012 won't be the end of the world after all. Maybe it will instead be a time of great catastrophe and as a result, enlightenment for all the peoples of the world. I've found most times in life people will NOT change unless something drastic happens. Something that forces people out of their circumstances to see things how they are.

For instance, many drug abusers won't change their habits for themselves. However, if they have a near death experience. Something that takes them to the edge and they somehow manage to survive, many will kick the habit and try to retain a normal life. Maybe the "end of the world" isn't the literal end of the world, but instead an end to OUR world. The world in which we persist today that is so detrimental not only to ourselves, our planet, but to humanity as a whole.

A more personal example: I myself find it hard to change unless I am forced to. I don't care what happens to me, I can deal with it. But if I see my actions affecting others negatively, or someone else being harmed in one way or another... I am for some reason driven to do things differently, whether that means stepping up or backing down, either way.

Look at the way things are in the world. So much apathy, so much fighting. All over issues that, in the grand scheme of things, doesn't really matter.

On a side note, this is a very interesting topic, I look forward to more discussion.
 
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