Waste of a party slot

Davion said:
IF YOU CAN NOT HANDLE MAIN HEALING, BACK UP HEALING, OR SMN Buffing..QUIT SUMMONER RIGHT NOW.
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The word from the Mage Powerhouse is the Voice of God speaking.

I feel the same way about Red Mage, and while I hate healing, I realize I'll be called on to backup heal and on occasion, even main heal D: But I do it, since it's expected, and bitch about it later.
 
On my WHM I hated having to party with a SMN. Their damage isn't great, I can handle all the healing, they can't enfeeble outside of their BP timers, they can't buff outside of their BP timers and I sort of wonder why the party leader invited both of us. The SMNs I partied with would either sit at full MP between BPs, or step on my turf and cure over me, thereby wasting both of our MP pools.

WHM + SMN is overkill. Don't do it. In the realm of EXP parties, they are healers, not support or substitute DDs.
 
Eliott said:
On my WHM I hated having to party with a SMN. Their damage isn't great, I can handle all the healing, they can't enfeeble outside of their BP timers, they can't buff outside of their BP timers and I sort of wonder why the party leader invited both of us. The SMNs I partied with would either sit at full MP between BPs, or step on my turf and cure over me, thereby wasting both of our MP pools.

WHM + SMN is overkill. Don't do it. In the realm of EXP parties, they are healers, not support or substitute DDs.
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they can avatar-nuke though, yes?
 
Eliott said:
ww, you're funny. <_<
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<3 you love me and you know it.

but on-topic, that's what this dude was doing when i ran out of MP from necessary cure-bombing >.> kept right on avatar-nuking until the pt said "dude, share the load with him, ok?"
 
Eliott said:
On my WHM I hated having to party with a SMN. Their damage isn't great, I can handle all the healing, they can't enfeeble outside of their BP timers, they can't buff outside of their BP timers and I sort of wonder why the party leader invited both of us. The SMNs I partied with would either sit at full MP between BPs, or step on my turf and cure over me, thereby wasting both of our MP pools.

WHM + SMN is overkill. Don't do it. In the realm of EXP parties, they are healers, not support or substitute DDs.
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Pre-LVL70, SMN should only be buffing and back up healing. I have to disagree with the uselessness in a EXP party.

If the summoner has a brain and is doing their job correctly while a WHM is present, they should be helping you heal if there is an emergency or using Earthen Ward, Aerial Armor (where applicable), Noctoshield (if they have Diabolos) and Fenrir's Ecliptic Howl and Growl.

As far as damage is concerned the only BP that will do some considerable damage is possible Fenrir's Ecliptic Bite which I've seen do 1000+ at random in some parties before lvl 70. The next step on damage would be elemental magic from the main avatars which we all know will only come close or match a BLMs spell based on how much TP the said avatar has.

This next comment is just a general one, not directed at anyone person:

Post lvl 70: If you deny a SMN's damage. You can kiss my ass. The things I've seen avatars do to mobs is sometime ridiculous. It's even funnier when they miss.

Every job as a use in a party if you understand what their usefullness is.
 
Quite frankly I'm exasperated at the deprivation of today's youth's idealogical enthusiasm and willingness to strive ahead to achieve the unachievable for lacklustre acclaim.

Stating your readiness to advance in today's multicultural Final Fantasy XI, the eleventh in the series I might add, not only enhances your potency in a party situation, but fully converses with your friends and associates a like a masque of eerie succession to your every day accomplishments.

Verily, I propose the seduction of coheresing unobliging everyday denizens of Vana'diel should be strictly prohibited under Windurstian decree, moreover, talk of such monstrosities should not be mulled over, instead such treachery should be treated with the utmost thorough hand of the law, striking the bastards dead-center in the chest of depletion.

Fin.

btw: tl;dr.
 
Davion said:
Pre-LVL70, SMN should only be buffing and back up healing. I have to disagree with the uselessness in a EXP party.

If the summoner has a brain and is doing their job correctly while a WHM is present, they should be helping you heal if there is an emergency or using Earthen Ward, Aerial Armor (where applicable), Noctoshield (if they have Diabolos) and Fenrir's Ecliptic Howl and Growl.

As far as damage is concerned the only BP that will do some considerable damage is possible Fenrir's Ecliptic Bite which I've seen do 1000+ at random in some parties before lvl 70. The next step on damage would be elemental magic from the main avatars which we all know will only come close or match a BLMs spell based on how much TP the said avatar has.

This next comment is just a general one, not directed at anyone person:

Post lvl 70: If you deny a SMN's damage. You can kiss my ass. The things I've seen avatars do to mobs is sometime ridiculous. It's even funnier when they miss.

Every job as a use in a party if you understand what their usefullness is.
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I never said they were useless. I merely stated they perform better on their own, than with a WHM. Nor do I deny their DD potential - I just prefer having a melee over a SMN to DD.
 
.........

He basically just said:

Some people get too worked up trying to be the best... (aka PMSing)

Everyone is having a e-penis fight....

To remind u its just a game to make friends...

By the law of Windy, is you encounter a noob that doesn't get it: Smack him or her, blacklist them and move one...


something to that effect.
 
Blabj said:
Quite frankly I'm exasperated at the deprivation of today's youth's idealogical enthusiasm and willingness to strive ahead to achieve the unachievable for lacklustre acclaim.

Stating your readiness to advance in today's multicultural Final Fantasy XI, the eleventh in the series I might add, not only enhances your potency in a party situation, but fully converses with your friends and associates a like a masque of eerie succession to your every day accomplishments.

Verily, I propose the seduction of coheresing unobliging everyday denizens of Vana'diel should be strictly prohibited under Windurstian decree, moreover, talk of such monstrosities should not be mulled over, instead such treachery should be treated with the utmost thorough hand of the law, striking the bastards dead-center in the chest of depletion.

Fin.

btw: tl;dr.
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Damn u edit button... I was intepreting Blabj
 
I phail at proofreading my words.

.........

He basically just said:

Some people get too worked up trying to be the best... (aka PMSing)

Everyone is having a e-penis fight....

To remind u its just a game to make friends...

By the law of Windy, if you encounter a noob that doesn't get it: Smack him or her, blacklist them and move on...


something to that effect.
 
Eliott said:
I never said they were useless. I merely stated they perform better on their own, than with a WHM. Nor do I deny their DD potential - I just prefer having a melee over a SMN to DD.
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I can understand that. I was stating what a SMN should be doing with a WHM present.

Cause lately, (not accusing you of this) a lot ppl are denying good SMNs EXP parties because they have had retarted ppl playing SMN in the past.
 
Davion said:
I can understand that. I was stating what a SMN should be doing with a WHM present.

Cause lately, (not accusing you of this) a lot ppl are denying good SMNs EXP parties because they have had retarted ppl playing SMN in the past.
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Then you have smns who quit because after 70, SMNs are still invited to main heal.
 
Bluefrost said:
Then you have smns who quit because after 70, SMNs are still invited to main heal.
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I'll admit I dont like to main heal on SMN, but I just ":biggrin: and bare it". Main healing comes with the SMN territory of duties and EXP is EXP.
 
Fucking kids these days. It's main heal to 60 then solo or pt with friends to 75. Fuck, it's not hard.
 
Myrrh said:
Fucking kids these days. It's main heal to 60 then solo or pt with friends to 75. Fuck, it's not hard.
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In today's growing economy for faster paced experience points by the hour, such statements can be rallied up and declined as an objection to the truthful matters at hand, prior to which we were discussing adamantly.

A far cry from which, however, is the statement you made to which you inclined fascinated readers with such a beautifully worded statement, advising (and more or less professing to the masses!) to go about their business on their own, or with the finest of chums to gather up the points which are important to the growth of your character.

If a location can be found where-by players can peacefully co-inhabit and gather points together, this situation should be opted for and given preferential treatment to those other methods, of which you also detailed with expert analysis and wording.

Muy bien, sir.
 
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