What Tank you will pick for your exp pt?

PLD or NIN for your pt?

  • PLD

    Votes: 90 44.6%

  • NIN

    Votes: 112 55.4%
  • Total voters
    202
Skaw said:
Thats not the point. WAR with tanking gear has their situational spotlight too. As well as MNK, should there ever be a HNM Coeurl, MNK will be the absolute best tank to throw at it.
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OK I see what you are saying.

back to the topic...

NIN ownz JOOO pld. xp onry ofcourse.
 
I voted for PLD, but not because I am one. Because when I'm leveling BLM, I'm sick of the Ninja dropping the ball and getting me killed because I've gotta spam cures on him along with the WHM. Yeah yeah, sure IF a Ninja is good and has skill I'm sure they are wonderful. But because of people like DL who say "NIN ONRY!" the people who sucked at PLD are band wagoning and guess what... they suck at NIN too!

I am serious, I have yet to ever... ever party with a good Ninja. :wacko: And not just on BLM. On my WAR I partied with a few, adn even with me using a fully leveled Great Sword I still took hate constantly... this was at level 35 ~ 37 keep in mind. Dark Knight, same thing, I wasn't even stacking Souleater and Last Resort. As a BLM at level 49, I've had only 3 PLD tanks, and about 30 NIN tanks. It's been a struggle from the get go because the NIN's I've partied with are always unprepared, never have enough Shihi (lolz I'm poor...) and I have yet to see one use thier enfeebling magic effectivly.

I would even go as far to say that I would be well into the 50's on BLM had it not been from deaths accumulated from NIN's who don't pay attention/suck.

I can remember one instance where the NIN didn't even engage the mob, just stood there and took hits while casting Utsusemi's and "forgot" to voke after the magic burst. I died. Then I left.



Yes yes, again, I'm certain there are good NIN tanks, and I won't give up on them. But if I see a PLD and and a NIN seeking, I'm picking the PLD.

::EDIT:: Through all the levels on my PLD, it's now 71. I have never seeked for more than 2 hours, and that was at JP peak time and I don't use the JE language cop out to get parties. Still got one though.
 
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Skaw said:
You should be hasting anyway. You're lazy.
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Haste a pld? No thanks. I'll leave that to the lazy ass WhM's. :P
I refresh myself, whm, blm, pld.. and am already losing 40mp per cycle, refresh =120, 4 people = 160... now do you want me spending -another- 40mp the pld or spending mp on enfeebing the mob, curing, and MBing? >.>

I like ending chain 5's without verting and having over 300mp left. It's nifty.
 
I would pick a NIN if given a choice....but honestly, I dont mind either or. I just find that (depending on the mobs) with NIN, my pty has alot more downtime.
 
Shaidalyn said:
Haste a pld? No thanks. I'll leave that to the lazy ass WhM's. :P
I refresh myself, whm, blm, pld.. and am already losing 40mp per cycle, refresh =120, 4 people = 160... now do you want me spending -another- 40mp the pld or spending mp on enfeebing the mob, curing, and MBing? >.>

I like ending chain 5's without verting and having over 300mp left. It's nifty.
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Waste of Space.
 
Shaidalyn said:
Haste a pld? No thanks. I'll leave that to the lazy ass WhM's. :P
I refresh myself, whm, blm, pld.. and am already losing 40mp per cycle, refresh =120, 4 people = 160... now do you want me spending -another- 40mp the pld or spending mp on enfeebing the mob, curing, and MBing? >.>

I like ending chain 5's without verting and having over 300mp left. It's nifty.
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If you say it works for you, then who can argue? On the other hand...


Refresh and enfeebling are the top RDM priorities. If you say I should stfu because I don't play the job, guess what... I've been in parties with RDM's for a long time, I know what they are there for. Haste should indeed be done by the WHM, MP permitting. Situationally, I would say that the RDM and WHM should split such duties, especially if the RDM has 300 extra MP at the end of a chain 5.

Convert is a wonderful ability, every 10 minutes you can zap your MP back to near full (pending the cure bombs following it.) It would be my understanding that if you have extra MP and aren't converting, aren't you just wasting the ability and not using your MP to it's maximum potential? Couldn't you be using that extra 300mp somehow? Or is that a cache for emergencies? Not needing to convert is okay, I suppose. But couldn't you liken that too a BLM "not needing" to magic burst because the end result is the mob getting killed, no matter how much faster it would be with her bursting?

Does that make sense? :wacko:
 
Klepto_Pyro said:
warrior also has the benefit of being able to DD while tanking, getting hit wont realy lower your Damage output
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True but as WAR more often then not takes more MP to main tank. My WAR is 61, and I tanked for alot of lvls, and as I could hold hate very well we couldn't chain that much since I was taking alot of MP, even with using Utsusemi effectively. Like stated before in this thread, it takes more than 1 WAR to tank well. Bouncing hate between 2 WAR/NINs is awesome. I don't have experience tanking as WAR/MNK cause I gimped my way to 30(First month of NA release) and my MNK never got higher than 11.
 
Excim said:
If you say it works for you, then who can argue? On the other hand...


Refresh and enfeebling are the top RDM priorities. If you say I should stfu because I don't play the job, guess what... I've been in parties with RDM's for a long time, I know what they are there for. Haste should indeed be done by the WHM, MP permitting. Situationally, I would say that the RDM and WHM should split such duties, especially if the RDM has 300 extra MP at the end of a chain 5.

Convert is a wonderful ability, every 10 minutes you can zap your MP back to near full (pending the cure bombs following it.) It would be my understanding that if you have extra MP and aren't converting, aren't you just wasting the ability and not using your MP to it's maximum potential? Couldn't you be using that extra 300mp somehow? Or is that a cache for emergencies? Not needing to convert is okay, I suppose. But couldn't you liken that too a BLM "not needing" to magic burst because the end result is the mob getting killed, no matter how much faster it would be with her bursting?

Does that make sense? :wacko:
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As retarded as that sounds? Yes. *points to bold*
I've had 7 deaths in 5pt's cause the WhM has dc'd, sucked, or the tank dc'd.
This is why I take VERY good care of my MP.. Last pt? 1 death (our tank hit red and whm did nothing so I panic'd and cure spammed)

I know my job, and if its a Nin tank, I will generally haste it, if its a pld, I GENERALLY haste the DD. I have never been main healer in a good exp pt, I'm a RdM/Blm, not /Whm.. I shouldnt be taking care of the tank at ALL.. but Nin's suck at hate control, its why I love Pld's on my Sam. Even THEN I take hate if I hit Bers, so I use it for WS only.

And no, I dont just sit there, I full enfeeb, refresh everyone who needs it, haste at LEAST one person, and MB.

Aside that, what? What am I supposed to do? Nuke? Don't even joke with me. This board does nothing but bash RdM nuking.

Safety > Speed.

Hence in GENERAL Pld > Nin.

Lately? I took 7 pt's to gain 10k exp.. so I am going with Nin, I want my exp, I want it quick, and no, I don't wanna exhaust myself for it.
I'm sick of leveling, I wanted a break. I dont have that luxury. You wanna tell me how to do my job? Fine, I'll word for word you in a PT. Till then? Let me "refresh whore" my way up. All I care about is the mages/pld have MP and the mob is debuffed. Everything else is icing.
 
meeze said:
Yes you can.
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Sorry, let me fix it, "in a STANDARD exp pt"

no cannon etc. I've not been lucky enough to experience such a pt. I get stuck in shitty ones with the occasional nice one. Notice going on 6 months and still not 75? In special pt's you dont follow any basic rules though.
 
I prefer a good nin in most situations, even on blm. a bad nin will fail at keeping hate off my drg and well blm let's just say it's a good time to warp.

a good pld will have little down time and keep amazing hate. a bad pld will lead to lots of down time but can probably keep hate.

I prefer nin because if you suck at life I don't want to party with you anyways. and a good nin will have less down time, more exp.
 
Shaidalyn said:
Sorry, let me fix it, "in a STANDARD exp pt"

no cannon etc. I've not been lucky enough to experience such a pt. I get stuck in shitty ones with the occasional nice one. Notice going on 6 months and still not 75? In special pt's you dont follow any basic rules though.
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NIN WHM BLM RNG SAM THF is hardly a cannon. You just have to pick your targets. Raptors, gobs, cocks, and lizards, in kuftal, cape terrigan and valley of sorrows.

If I remember right 6k an hour.
 
The bottom line:

Paladins are fine tanks, this is painfully obvious. In cannons @ 75 they drop off in power and are pretty much worthless for exp, used mostly for endgame tanking and that's it.

Ninjas dominate the entire way through the game just about. In traditional exp parties they offer no downtime at all if the ninja is good and massive exp flow. Endgame they're extremely nice in cannon parties as they DD just as well as any other DD(especially with a proper haste setup) and hold hate extremely well.

Warriors are hard to explain on this server. I spent almost my entire way 1 - 75 before the exp nerf tanking on my warrior with a few small exceptions. Some people really hate it in exp and don't want to put in the effort. You can't tank in exp as a WAR/NIN by yourself if the mages won't put in the time to make sure what you're fighting is always slowed. Endgame, you'd have to go view what other servers do because this server was pretty far behind and extremely closeminded or at least always was when I played here. There are a handful of HNM LS out there on other servers that have a WAR tanking fulltime on most everything, some that give their warriors the heads up on just specific things in sky, etc. and so on. This server just happens to be very anti-tank WAR for whatever reason, I dunno why.



But the most important thing I really want to get across is a lot of you sound like you've never done cannon parties, never partied with a good ninja, and just have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Take it from somebody with a stupid ass amount of merits. I've partied with the best on the server and ninjas are just downright sick endgame. Their damage potential is amazing with the right gear. You people saying "they're ok damage" and "they can't hold hate" have no idea at all.
 
Mithe i CAN tank war/nin alone... what are you talking about... other than that you make a good point, tanking war/nin is harder, but not impossible and i like it in a few situations
 
Shaidalyn said:
You wanna tell me how to do my job? Fine, I'll word for word you in a PT. Till then? Let me "refresh whore" my way up. All I care about is the mages/pld have MP and the mob is debuffed. Everything else is icing.
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Put your claws away, this isn't a FB post, wasn't trying to make it go that way. Was trying to have a discussion, that's all.


And on that note, back to the discussion. Pretty much everyone can agree that a tank choice is situational. But above all, it's about personal preference and play style. Of course there will always be people like Darklion who think NIN are the only option and PLD is a waste, but they are not the majority. They are free to have thier own opinion, even if you disagree with them.
 
Excim said:
Put your claws away, this isn't a FB post, wasn't trying to make it go that way. Was trying to have a discussion, that's all.


And on that note, back to the discussion. Pretty much everyone can agree that a tank choice is situational. But above all, it's about personal preference and play style. Of course there will always be people like Darklion who think NIN are the only option and PLD is a waste, but they are not the majority. They are free to have thier own opinion, even if you disagree with them.
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I apologize if that came off coarse.. was more directed not just to you, but any whom want to give "advice" or critique a job they aren't playing.
You don't know me, since you weren't on, but I used to be an avid anti-pld. It's pld like you, Stirce, Vasage, Dation.. that showed me Pld are amazing, IF played right.
Early on I got stuck with godawful Pld and amazing Nin. Later I got the opposite.. now I just have shitty luck and ALL I find suck.. gonna end up building my own PT's soon.

My point is, everyone plays a job -their- way. Right or wrong, good or not, it's how they do it.
I don't like people who dont even exp WITH me let alone play my job saying my extra MP could be used. With a nin tank the WhM has extra MP, should they nuke? Just last week my PT pulled a Manticore in LoO on accident right after Chain 3.. our whm was down to half MP from tank's eva (nin) sucking out, I still had 80% of mine.. because of that we didnt die. I like having a backup for crappy pullers.
If the pt is GREAT and I have extra mp? I'll find something to do with it. I just dont like being caught on my heels.
 
Mithe said:
Warriors are hard to explain on this server. I spent almost my entire way 1 - 75 before the exp nerf tanking on my warrior with a few small exceptions. Some people really hate it in exp and don't want to put in the effort. You can't tank in exp as a WAR/NIN by yourself if the mages won't put in the time to make sure what you're fighting is always slowed.
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so true, if you have a great backrow (not talking about jobs here, but rather the quality of players playing support jobs), war/nin can tank extremely well, especially at 75

this morning I was helping a friend in my JP LS get merits on her DRK, and we were doing a 5-man party (DRK, WAR, BRD, RDM, RDM) fighting Aura Statues @ Ullikummi area, getting Chain 5's every fight, both me and the drk were /NIN, and I was main tanking, only losing hate to her souleater+rampage, i'd get hit 2-3 times a battle but my damage & provokes were enough to keep the hate most of the fight

we never ran out of MP and it went very well, I was the only NA player in the group whether you think that makes a difference or not, your call :)
 
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