What will you do when the microchip becomes mainstream?

[Bajaratt]

This isn't a homing beacon like they put on wild animals, it's not a giant sign giving out all your information to everyone. In the most ideal form I could see it being used as proof of age, proof of identity, and medical history. It doesn't have to be something that can be read without your permission.

Exactly, but ZOMG IT'S A MICROCHIP, IT CAN DO ANYTHING seems to be fairly rampant here. Daveman is at least saying he doesn't want future microchips to have GPS, which I can understand although I really don't care about.

 

[Daveman]

You're comparing a new form of ID to government legislation that oppresses one group and says it's all the same thing. While the RFID would make enforcing such legislation easier, it wouldn't be the cause of such legislation; which is something that you're ignoring.

I wasn't ignoring that part, I mentioned how there doesn't need to be evil intent. As for all technology making it easier, this is true, stuff like computers are making it worlds easier to do these things, but that doesn't mean we have to accept everything, rfid tags for one are a bad idea to be required in things like a passport. (magnetic tape or a barcode is alot harder to steal and would accomplish same thing.) and the concept of rfid tags on cards, can easily evolve to rfid jewlery and etc.. the point isn't to stop all technology, but to be aware of what's going on, several things are already bad, and would probably cost millions to "undo" so for little benifit, so we can't go back on it. (One example being your social security number, and how it's serving the use of an ID despite it not even being meant for that).

Magnetic strips on cards do everything RFID can (except the wireless) and shouldn't be used for many things, sure private security, and for optional EZ-passes at toll bridges, it's a good technology, but for things like ID cards, even bank/credit cards, or passports, rfid isn't the greatest idea.

Ontop of the whole "what if the goverment goes evil" thing, identity theives will have new ways to steal identity, I'm pretty sure a majority of the people won't bother buying a wallet that blocks rfid signals. (And I don't see how you could even block an implant, that wouldn't be easier than just having the chip on a card.. or magnetic strips.)

 

[Sneakypants]

Exactly, but ZOMG IT'S A MICROCHIP, IT CAN DO ANYTHING seems to be fairly rampant here. Daveman is at least saying he doesn't want future microchips to have GPS, which I can understand although I really don't care about.

How much are they paying you? :spiteful:

 

[Sneakypants]

This isn't a homing beacon like they put on wild animals, it's not a giant sign giving out all your information to everyone. In the most ideal form I could see it being used as proof of age, proof of identity, and medical history. It doesn't have to be something that can be read without your permission.

I was wondering when animal tracking devices would come into this.
When is the last time an animal stole another animal's identity?
...OK, moving on to discussion of the same fruit.


I totally see the practicality in this.
I totally agree that this doesn't change what can already be known of an individual.

As long as people have a choice to implant or not to implant, I have ZERO issue with this.

The pivotal thing here (and the only thing I am remotely contesting) for me is that the chip is implanted under the skin. That makes me wonder...Hmmm, why can't the same or similar technology be provided in a "all-in-one" ID card I can keep in my wallet? What happened to retinal scans and shit? I have no problem with that.

"Who are you?"
/scans eyes, fingerprints, jizz in a cup, idc.
...done.

I didn't have to put anything under my skin to do that. I don't care if people actually want to put something under their skin. I just argue for the choice to be mine. And who is going to tell me the choice is not mine? People that graduated from diapers but haven't scratched the surface of the real world? lol. The government? lol.


What I put in my body, and more to the point, what other people put in my body, will always be my choice.

 

[K. Ishitar]

My question is really why would I want to store my info, if thats all it is for? for my offspring?

 

[Bajaratt]

The RFID technology has a very limited range(inches for the most part), so unless you can't notice someone coming up and holding a scanner next to you, they can't steal it. But let's go with t that there is a 1 mile radius on these scanners, just to support the argument. There are some materials which block the signals, I have one for the RFID device in my car if I choose to use it. They could easily make a sleeve for a RFID card that blocks the signal, so that you'd have to knowingly allow other people to access that information, all they have to do is just give you the sleeve when you get the ID for those "too lazy" to get a wallet that blocks the signals. I'm also fairly sure that they would encode the information, since there would be zero reason not to.

Sneaky, the same techology was provided in a card, or something you hand on your keychain for those who didn't want the microchip implant. It just got overshadowed by the controversy of having a microchip installed in your body.

My question is really why would I want to store my info, if thats all it is for? for my offspring?

To replace the need for a separate driver's liscense, passport, insurance information, medical history, basically to just store information for emergencies and to help with identification.

 

[Bajaratt]

How much are they paying you? :spiteful:

Haven't gotten my check yet, I'll let you know.

 

[Darkdante]

Terrific!

Now instead of having fake Chinese ripoffs of our MOVIES and MUSIC now we can have fake Chinese ripoff Americans.

lol

Scan my arm "I'm an American". People who believe this can't be duplicated and abused are stupid, I can't believe they stated that in the video.

They say it can't be read? Well how the fuck does the computer identify you? I personally have a scanner in my pocket to let me know when there's a wireless network present, can't wait till I can just walk past someone and I will know all the information about them thats needed to access information about them on a database.

How many believe VISA and AMERICAN EXpress have good security protecting your credit card transactions? lmao
If the richest companies in America can't protect something as easy to protect as an unencrypted bank number how they gonna protect your entire recorded life?

They can't!

 

[K. Ishitar]

Hmm I dont think I would go through the trouble a keychain is fine with me seems less expensieve for that than to have the surgery

 

[Ranpha]

Curious but has anyone thought of the idea of complications, allergies, and possible contamination and leaking of the contents into the body?

There are already problems with people who have replacement body parts who have bad reactions to artifical (ie. metals, plastics) pieces.

The smart card is implemented into many businesses. It contains most of the company's purchasing info and so forth for business to business trade/interactions.

How easily would it be for a nation to agree on human microchip implants? Seems like this idea has a lack of research besides facts of what it can do. Sadly, facts are not enough. If such an idea was implemented, there has to be someone behind it to sell it.
Engineers vs. Accountants vs. Marketers GO

 

[Sneakypants]

It just got overshadowed by the controversy of having a microchip installed in your body.

That was what my discussion encompassed. NOT the fact that a new form of ID existed. ID is necessary. Convenience is good. What goes in my body is my choice, and only my choice.

This technology is an implant, so I think discussing this aspect of it is fair game.

If someone wanted to have this implanted, I'd step aside. If someone tried to implant one in me, I'd choke them and/or cut the thing out later with the nearest utensil.

I don't like breast implants or this ID implant. Coming from a guy who has several tattoos and has had various piercings, who has ingested performance supplements and truckloads of beer, a garden of spinach and triple bacon cheeseburgers, double doses of Advil, DANK nugs ( ), anything you buy at a grocery store (see: preservatives, etc).......
I don't care what it is that is ingested, implanted, inhaled, engrained, or driven through my body so long as it is me that made the decision.


I question only why not implement something far less intrusive than this. There are tons of alternatives.

Actually I have learned that if questions remain, the answer (the ultimate and 50,000 ft. answer) is money.

 

[Sneakypants]

Curious but has anyone thought of the idea of complications, allergies, and possible contamination and leaking of the contents into the body?

There are already problems with people who have replacement body parts who have bad reactions to artifical (ie. metals, plastics) pieces.

Good points. The body has it's own ways of saying, "No!"
That's why I no longer have piercings. For many years, I never had a problem, but eventually my body "rejected" that which was foreign. No amount of sanitary measures solved the problem, so out they came.

 

[Bajaratt]

I had thought about rejecting the chip, and figured that's one reason why it's so small; which also explains why it's so limited in it's potential(can't fit GPS in), since smaller would probably mean less chance of rejection. Although there are some things that get implanted in the body that as far as I know of aren't attacked/rejected, but I might be wrong.

I guess it'd come down to why some people reject the artificial objects and others don't or why people spontaneously reject it; maybe it's an allergy or something. But depending on the amount of people who would reject such microchips, it's definitely a strong case to get cards instead of microchips, although I still think the microchip would be cool.

 

[Marajade]

Terrific!

Now instead of having fake Chinese ripoffs of our MOVIES and MUSIC now we can have fake Chinese ripoff Americans.

lol

Scan my arm "I'm an American". People who believe this can't be duplicated and abused are stupid, I can't believe they stated that in the video.

They say it can't be read? Well how the fuck does the computer identify you? I personally have a scanner in my pocket to let me know when there's a wireless network present, can't wait till I can just walk past someone and I will know all the information about them thats needed to access information about them on a database.

How many believe VISA and AMERICAN EXpress have good security protecting your credit card transactions? lmao
If the richest companies in America can't protect something as easy to protect as an unencrypted bank number how they gonna protect your entire recorded life?

They can't!

So this Scanner in your pocket would also change your fingerprints, DNA, and Retinal pattern to match the information it just gleaned?

Also, the scanners need to be within a minimum range to pick up the chip. Aproximatly an inch. So if its standard to be places in the upper left arm, you could maybe scan a midget with it in your pocket if you rain into him.

 

[Daveman]

So this Scanner in your pocket would also change your fingerprints, DNA, and Retinal pattern to match the information it just gleaned?

Biometrics have known flaws, (google some up) and also, if the chip's contents are meant to be read by a machine, then there has to be software to read the encoding.

Also, the scanners need to be within a minimum range to pick up the chip. Aproximatly an inch. So if its standard to be places in the upper left arm, you could maybe scan a midget with it in your pocket if you rain into him.

The range is about 1 foot for the type that would likely be used, and even if it was 1 inch, anyone who rides a bus/train, or is around people in small areas often, would be a good target.

 

[K. Ishitar]

It just seems a bit pointless wasting time putting machines in you when you can just compile it all on a card which was said to reduce controversy

You put the chip into a machine from its carry case(something like a laptop memory card necklace) check in and put it back in.

It would be more expensive to push for all of the surgery, the money used for surgery could be put to more uses

 

[Bajaratt]

It just seems a bit pointless wasting time putting machines in you when you can just compile it all on a card which was said to reduce controversy

You put the chip into a machine from its carry case(something like a laptop memory card necklace) check in and put it back in.

It would be more expensive to push for all of the surgery, the money used for surgery could be put to more uses

The "surgery" is sticking you with a big needle that contains the microchip, I highly doubt that's expensive. In one of the videos in the OP, the woman was awake while they were getting it, so there's not even a bunch of anesthesia to pay for.

 

[Bustaballs]

I'm curious if anyone knows. How do they find the lost animals and children if there are no tracking devices in the chips since that's one of the main purposes.

 

[Bajaratt]

The chips that are in pets basically replace dog tags, so if the dog didn't have their collar on and got lost, or the collar came off while they were lost, their information is still there. The company that makes the chips gave a ton of the scanners to kennels and dog pounds, so that they could scan any of the dogs that come in to check if they belong to someone. It's basically after you've found the dog or the child you can identify them and get contact information for their family.

 

[Marajade]

I'm curious if anyone knows. How do they find the lost animals and children if there are no tracking devices in the chips since that's one of the main purposes.

with pets, whenever a shelter picks up an animal, they scan the tag if it has one. Then they report that they have it.

With children, i assume it would be that if they're reported missing, should they be scanned in anywhere, it will send a flag to a system somewhere that this person is here. Would be easy to teach your child that if they ever get separated, to go somewhere and get scanned. Or Malls/whatever could have stations where you could go to and report your child missing, and the malls scanner systems would watch for the kids tag.