What will you do when the microchip becomes mainstream?

[Bustaballs]

Many people are already accepting microchip implants into their bodys. Microchips which will store all of your personal information that would be needed at most places and possibly be used as tracking devices. Here's more info on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2BF9MCjJdI - A 8 1/2 minute video comparing the microchips to the IBM Nazi ID tatoos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uVw5XSWbjA - A clip from an Alex Jones film that shows some news clips about the microchip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMd6rde4MX8 - CNN coverage of the microchip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeZCpXj6IV8 - FOX explains how it is important for medical reasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTwi-QEXBTw - CBN coverage on microchips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRveSffxPdI&NR - Company wants Pentagon to microchip our soldiers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3b7oZNlkN8 - More news coverage on microchips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8AY-3Njw0M - A very short History Channel clip on RFID microchips.


Implantable microchips as small as a grain of rice. RFID chips as small as a grain of sand. When these become mainstream and you are either required to or have the choice of accepting the microchips, what will you do? How do you feel about these microchips?

 

[Bajaratt]

I won't have to carry around my wallet with 4 different forms of ID and worry about carrying cash or the possibility of losing my wallet or being robbed. I don't have all that much of a problem with it, but then tracking me would be damn boring and serve no purpose; not to mention the fact that there would be no reason to. You're comparing a system of convenience to lojacking everyone and having some shadow government keep track of your every movement because everyone else really gives a shit where you are every hour of the day. Not to mention the impossible ammount of effort, manpower, time, and money it would take to really compile all of this data on a regular basis. Both of my dogs are chipped, and I don't have the slightest problem with it, so I don't really care about being chipped myself.

Lay off the pot, you're getting too paranoid.

 

[Bustaballs]

I was only starting a discussion. I tossed out some different opinions from different sides. No where did I state my opinion on the issue so please quit with the false accusations.

Also, I've never used any form of illegal drugs in my life. I believe I had a few hard lemonades once but that was about it.

 

[Elpon]

Everything in the world has a practical use until it's used in an extremely negative way. Microchips provide a very useful service in both tracking and medical information. To think of them used for a more sinester plot is not farfetched but unlikely at this point in time. The only way I would think of the government of using these chips are for terror suspects or released prisoners from Guantanamo Bay.

 

[Bajaratt]

I was only starting a discussion. I tossed out some different opinions from different sides. No where did I state my opinion on the issue so please quit with the false accusations.

Also, I've never used any form of illegal drugs in my life. I believe I had a few hard lemonades once but that was about it.

Given your history of insane conspiracy theories, it was fairly obvious where you stood with this story.

 

[Bustaballs]

I don't believe in insane conspiracy theories. You do.

I'm pretty agnostic as far as this goes. It just depends on the situation. If it never becomes a required thing then I have little problem with it. I was just reminded of the topic, looked up some different perspectives on it, and brought it up.

 

[Bajaratt]

I don't believe in insane conspiracy theories. You do.

I'm pretty agnostic as far as this goes. It just depends on the situation. If it never becomes a required thing then I have little problem with it. I was just reminded of the topic, looked up some different perspectives on it, and brought it up.

Wait, you're the one who made that long, ridiculous topic about how everything since WW2 has been a giant conspiracy by the american government to take over the world and you say I believe in insane conspiracy theories?

For reference: http://www.qcdn.org/showthread.php?t=28428

 

[Khajit]

So long as it isnt required or become so mainstream that convenient methods of identification ect arent completely replaced by this im prettymuch ok with it. Of course theres no way in hel im ever getting one. It does have several negative ramifications though. the most obvious being govenments abusing this to track down anyone they want to get rid of/silence , invasion of privacy, just plain killing somone at the push of a button, ect. If anyone other than the government figures out how to acess the info remotely it also can spell serious trouble. Making counterfiet chips to frame others in murders or create an alibi. Stalking.
There would obviously be many advantages to a chip too. One of em being you can check partners for stds ect. ( People that stop using condoms and claim they are fine once they catch HIV ect because they dont care about infecting others is becoming more commonplace)
Will i ever get a chip? hell no. There have been mind control experiments used by the cia before and i doubt they have stopped. I think bluebird was only revealed because they got semi caught on that one and it was a failure. Chips probably won't be used like most conpiracy theorist say it can against me personally or blatantly but I'd still feel uncomfortable with everything i saw or do possibly being monitored. Do you really wanna think about the fact that you having sex might be recorded and watched over?
Ceiling cat might be watching you masturbate and im sure youre ok with that but George Bush too? Thats waay past the line.

 

[Khajit]

Double post

 

[Bustaballs]

First of all, if you believe in any story about 9/11, it's a conspiracy theory. We just don't have all of the information we need to come to a completely factual conclusion. Watch the documentary in my sig. I promise it's nothing like Loose Change. It has no theory in it. It's pure factual information from nothing more than mainstream media sources and interviews with family members of 9/11 victims.

I never said Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen. I was merely presenting evidence of it's possibility. I was and still am agnostic about that. As far as other government conspiracys, many of them have been proven to be true. I'll name a few.

We have the declassified document "Operation Northwoods". You can learn more about it at ABC news:

N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

Click here to read the actual document. PDF onry

Along with that we have the Iran-Contra affair. Here's information on that in my faavorite documentary. Clicky

Or you can look at some info on a PBS article:

In 1985, while Iran and Iraq were at war, Iran made a secret request to buy weapons from the United States. McFarlane sought Reagan's approval, in spite of the embargo against selling arms to Iran. McFarlane explained that the sale of arms would not only improve U.S. relations with Iran, but might in turn lead to improved relations with Lebanon, increasing U.S. influence in the troubled Middle East. Reagan was driven by a different obsession. He had become frustrated at his inability to secure the release of the seven American hostages being held by Iranian terrorists in Lebanon. As president, Reagan felt that "he had the duty to bring those Americans home," and he convinced himself that he was not negotiating with terrorists. While shipping arms to Iran violated the embargo, dealing with terrorists violated Reagan's campaign promise never to do so. Reagan had always been admired for his honesty.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/reagan/peopleevents/pande08.html

Next we have the Panama deception. There was a academy award winning documentary on this which had the biggest impact on getting the truth out about it. You can watch that documentary HERE.

We have the Watergate scandal. I'm sure you know all about that one so I won't waste my time on links and quotes.

We now have the proof of constant lies about 9/11 and the war in Iraq. They lied about not having any previous knowledge of 9/11. They lied about the air being safe to breath after the collapse of the WTC towers and now thousands are dying and some already dead because of that lie. Thankfully, it's all over the news at the moment so people know the truth.. finally.

They lied about the WMDs and other weaponry in Iraq. It's also all over the news but you can see more proof about that in a nice documentary:

Uncovered: The Whole Truth About The Iraq War
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5702006622816922747

In this documentary, tons of professionals go into detail about they lies the government told us about the weapons in Iraq.

We also know that there was no connection between Saddam and 9/11. It's all over the media and it was even on the Daily Show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdD5Qt3El-k


There's many proven government conspiracys out there. You are willingly ignorant. Just Operation Northwoods alone proves that the government isn't only capable of false-flag terror attacks in their own country but the possibility that some people in the government are actually willing to carry it out. It's far beyond the scope of insanity to think of it's possibility when you see these real conspiracys.

The government is suppose to be there to protect and serve the people. Not the other way around. If you don't question the government, who will? And if no one questions the government then who's there to stop them if they try to commit more very large conspiracys? I just simply want to convince people to do the research and realise that it's always a possibility and to always demand answers to questions so we know the full truth about what happens. Questioning the government is far beyond crazy or unpatriotic but quite the opposite.

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to ... remain silent. - Thomas Jefferson

A patriot must always be ready to defend his
country against his government.
- Edward Abbey (1927-1989)

.. bah! I had quite a few other great quotes but can't seem to find them at the moment. Oh well. My point is made.

 

[Elpon]

True, but how do you know that your information is even true.
Let's go way beyond conspiracy!
How do we know that the information you have isn't just created by the governement to keep you from knowing the truth? For all we know the "real" truth that's out there is just false information put out there so that if anyone does suspect the government that they have their "proof".
For all we know this is the mutha fucking matrix and we're all just hooked up to some BIG ASS POWER STATION FOR SOMETHING SO BEYOND OUR UNDERSTANDING OF REALITY THAT EVEN A SMALL GLIMSE OF THE TRUTH WOULD WARP OUR FRAGILE LITTLE MINDS!!!


I got to quit drinking..

 

[Bajaratt]

At what point did I say there was no such thing as a government conspiracy? I'm perfectly well aware there's stuff that the government does that they don't tell everyone, but not everything in history is part of a evil conspiracy, and most certainly not all of it is bad. You posting crap about past conspiracies doesn't make your current theories true, it just means they've done stuff in the past. It's one thing to look at questionable actions of the government, but not everything that happens is evil and must be stopped. 99.9% of what the government does is fine and dandy, you're just looking so hard for that 0.1% that you're jumping at shadows looking for a shadow government. Question what needs to be questioned(bad calls, odd decisions, etc), but questioning everything makes you look insane. We're not the only country in the world, and we're not the only government with secrets, something you seem to forget.

You're still acting like you're actually going to make a difference about anything. If you really were any kind of "threat" to any government conspiracy you'd have been killed or dealt with in some manner(discredited or something); but since you haven't, either you're wrong or you're so insignificant that they don't care who you tell. I pointed this out in the other thread and rather than respond to it, you just spouted off for me to go watch more of your videos and never actually addressed what I was saying.

Looking at the current topic of computer chipping people, wide-spread, full-time tracking would be impossible. That's just to assuage any concerns about mass tracking everyone that seems to be the only problem with such a system. The only question remaining is, do you want to have a microchip implanted to make your wallet/purse obsolete? I say it'd be cool.

 

[Bustaballs]

I understand what you're saying as well. As far as the entire government and everything in it goes, I also feel there is a lot of good in it. I wouldn't quite say 99.9%, Maybe 50 or 60% but still better than most countrys out there. I just feel that most of our main political powers are corrupt and that they are leading this country into some horrible directions. There's a reason why Bush only has a 30% approval rating and there's a reason why 4/10 American adults think the government had something to do with 9/11.

I'm not some crazy conspiracy theorist. I'm not saying the holocaust didn't happen. I'm not saying we didn't land on the moon. I'm not saying, like the real wierdos, planes didn't hit the towers or aliens brought the towers down. There's also a lot of people out there who think the political leaders are devil worshippers trying to take over the world and the second coming of Christ is happening soon. I'm not even saying that, even though they do have ... something... to back it up. Do some research on Skull & Bones at Yale and the Bohemian Grove and Bush's Nazi background. It's kind of funny. But I'm not even saying that... and I do my best not to think about it too much.

I only come to a conclusion about something after I've researched a ton about it from every side and angle and then I use my own logic and understanding of the situation to determine my own beliefs. I do my best to be informed of what's really going on and not become a sheep. It's what our founding fathers wanted us to do and it's what I will do. I love my country and if I feel it's in harm's way, I'll do my part to stop that evil no matter what it is. When I see our leaders constantly doing or approving of things that go completely against the constitution, I feel I have a duty as an American to do what I can to stop it and at this moment in time the best thing I can do is spread the truth most people don't know.

Did you know over 40% of Americans still think Saddam had something to do with 9/11? Did you know over 80% of our troops in Iraq think they are there to get revenge on Saddam for 9/11? Our leaders are constantly lying to us about everything and the mainstream media very rarely covers the important things that need to be covered.

As far as 9/11 goes, we don't know shit and that's why we need a new truely independant investigation. It's the second largest death toll on American soil. It deserves to have a real investigation that answers all of the questions. That's what the 9/11 Truth Movement is all about.

There's my input on that. Anymore of my posts will be on topic.

 

[mysticalone]

i dont know if it was mentioned in the previous posts since i didnt read them all, but the implants were part of the predictions in the revelations or next coming of christ. i recall this vaguely, at least this was taught to me in the christian faith. i know what i am not going to do, do you?

 

[Sorrowfulturnip]

i dont know if it was mentioned in the previous posts since i didnt read them all, but the implants were part of the predictions in the revelations or next coming of christ. i recall this vaguely, at least this was taught to me in the christian faith. i know what i am not going to do, do you?

Yeah I was taught this too. I took a class covering revelations and it is predicted that this is suppose to be the whole mark of the beast thing that everyone is forced to take in order to buy or sell anything at all during the seven year tribulation or in other words, during the anti-Christ reign. So yeah I'm with you, I too don't want any part in this chip matter either.

 

[Sirelrohir]

Yeah I was taught this too. I took a class covering revelations and it is predicted that this is suppose to be the whole mark of the beast thing that everyone is forced to take in order to buy or sell anything at all during the seven year tribulation or in other words, during the anti-Christ reign. So yeah I'm with you, I too don't want any part in this chip matter either.

Well, Im not sure I buy into this; I highly doubt all 6+ billion people in the world are going to allow themselves to be branded like sheep. So even if we in the US are forced to use the chip, theres still ~ 6 billion people w/o it. Why would the so called mark of the beast only target one country?

Also, If our government has gotten caught doing illigal wiretaps, what would stop them from illigal tracking of people through these chips. Just because one person doesnt mind being tracked, doesnt mean everyone doesnt mind. My privacy is important to me. What if they decided to start tracking people based on ethnicity? Such as if u are a minority. Track all people of hispanic desent because they may help illigals cross the border. Or if you are of low social standing? Sorry, we all already have big brother watching, no need to give him a microscope.

 

[Bajaratt]

Also, If our government has gotten caught doing illigal wiretaps, what would stop them from illigal tracking of people through these chips. Just because one person doesnt mind being tracked, doesnt mean everyone doesnt mind. My privacy is important to me. What if they decided to start tracking people based on ethnicity? Such as if u are a minority. Track all people of hispanic desent because they may help illigals cross the border. Or if you are of low social standing? Sorry, we all already have big brother watching, no need to give him a microscope.

You apparently missed the part where I said wide-spread tracking is technologically impossible. There is no tracking system involved, all it does is store information. Even to assume that you're right and the chips can be tracked, the cost of doing so would be so enormous(hundreds of billions, if not trillions, just for the tracking stations) that congress would never approve of it, nor would there ever be enough manpower to actually monitor these things. Plus, the people themselves would not stand for it, the way these chips are designed means there would be no nation-wide network for them to fulfill their purpose; so unless congress starts talking about building such a thing, there is no valid concern about being tracked.

 

[Shintroy]

F'ing ghost in the shell all over.... I'm get l33t haxor chip of doohm.

1000 years from now humans are just going to be borned then are going to have 1000 gb memory cards in thier brains, bladders will be fuel tanks that never ever run out... or just never ever have to eat. And stuff like dat.

 

[Bustaballs]

You apparently missed the part where I said wide-spread tracking is technologically impossible. There is no tracking system involved, all it does is store information. Even to assume that you're right and the chips can be tracked, the cost of doing so would be so enormous(hundreds of billions, if not trillions, just for the tracking stations) that congress would never approve of it, nor would there ever be enough manpower to actually monitor these things. Plus, the people themselves would not stand for it, the way these chips are designed means there would be no nation-wide network for them to fulfill their purpose; so unless congress starts talking about building such a thing, there is no valid concern about being tracked.

Wide-spread tracking technology is impossible? Did you even look at the news coverage? It's been used on pets for years. People have already started to use it on their children. The people don't have to be constantly monitored. They just have to have their movements tracked and logged. They recently passed the Real ID act which cost 87 billion, I believe. If they can just toss around that much money on a simple electronic ID, who's to say they won't spend 200 or 300 billion on nation-wide microchip systems initially?

But like I said, as long as it isn't forced upon people (including children) and there's a easy way to remove it then I don't really have a problem with it. I think it's a great idea for people who have lost most of their rights anyways such as child molestors, rapists, serial killers, and other major criminals.

 

[Sirelrohir]

You apparently missed the part where I said wide-spread tracking is technologically impossible. There is no tracking system involved, all it does is store information. Even to assume that you're right and the chips can be tracked, the cost of doing so would be so enormous(hundreds of billions, if not trillions, just for the tracking stations) that congress would never approve of it, nor would there ever be enough manpower to actually monitor these things. Plus, the people themselves would not stand for it, the way these chips are designed means there would be no nation-wide network for them to fulfill their purpose; so unless congress starts talking about building such a thing, there is no valid concern about being tracked.

I dunno baja, thats cool that u believe that, but i wouldnt put anything past the peeps in charge atm.