Why is the PS3 a fail?

as for the whole Wii thing I can see it not been as popular 2-3 years from now. In 2-3 years the 360 and PS3 are going to come out with games that are going to graphically blow the Wii out of the water, and no graphics arent everything. But to a 15 yrd old with money what looks more atractive? A Beautiful Aweinspiring game on the ps3 and 360 or some good looking game on the Wii with "OMGNUNCHUCKS!". by that time everyone will have played a wii and it would have become old. I love NIntendo but i believe the fad will wear out.
 
Skaw said:
Obviously we are if 1) you're bothering to respond and 2) Mmanaging to be pulled you away from the Playstation 3 you oh so want to play so bad.

It speaks bounds for how entertaining it is if you'd rather be posting here, bursting a blood vessel over defending how entertaining it is.
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It's a mixture of pride and curiosity. Half of me thinks for some reason, that if I don't respond to you then I am conceding you as some sort of victor.

Curiosity, as to what exactly people's fucking problem with the PS3 is. The answer of course, is their expectations were too big, and they expected in 4 months time for the PS3 to have a bigger lineup than the the Xbox 360, match its install base and reach its maximum potential with games being shot out ever other day. Having bought a PS3 with realistic expectations(a normal launch lineup, a blu-ray player, MGS4, FF13, White Knight Story, GTA 4), I'm quite happy that PS3 surprised me with Home and Littlebigplanet.

It's quite troubling what the internet has evolved into. I used to check out gamefaqs for game information. Now all that's there is endless console war threads. Go to QCDN? New consolewar thread popping up. people bash to PS3... I don't agree with them, what's there to do?

Can't even go to this very own fucking Playstation 3 board without having to argue with people who don't even like the system. It's not interesting anymore. I understand it already.

You're an asshole. Alright, I get it. Go be an asshole somewhere else, alright? I'm not interested anymore.


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By the way, nice signature. I'm sure you need the constant reminder that you're a dumbass for saying that. Where are those links to articles I requested to back up that ignorant, retarded little statement? Oh right, they don't exist.
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You mean why don't I spend more time researching this shit to impress you, who isn't going to care no matter what I prove because you're an asshole? It's kind of a lose-lose situation. If it makes you sleep better at night believing I'm making up reading how MS was involved in HD DVD financially and how MS was involved in the talks among Toshiba and Sony, ultimately driving a wedge between them... go ahead and think I'm a liar. I don't really give a shit. I flung the question at someone more expert than me, you, or anyone else on QCDN about the format war and if they feel like it they'll answer me and I'll pass it onto you.
 
So in otherwords, you(or this "expert") were just making shit up. Gotchya. I thought you had articles backing this claim. I mean, you said you did. I asked where they were. Thanks for telling me they don't exist, even though I already had known.

I guess you're still convicted that there were only 80,000 launch PS3s in North America as well.
 
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I just have one question... and think about this for a minute.

Why the fuck would I make up some random article about Microsoft's involvement with HD DVD? The reasons why microsoft support HD DVD have no bearing on the fact that they do. They have no affect on which studios are aligned with Blu-ray. They really have no affect on blu-ray whatsoever at this point. In turn it doesn't affect PS3, PS3's future or blu-ray's future in the slightest. It was just a random point of interest I was making about some of the reasons for the format war in the first place.

So really... why would I make it up? What am I trying to prove? What does the article actually change?

A side point... there are 200,000 HD dvd players on the market.

More than half of them are Xbox 360 attachments.

You're right though, why the fuck would I think Microsoft has had any involvement with HD DVD?
 
 
On an off topic, I find the new Xbox 360 pretty funny.

$480 without a HD DVD drive or wireless internet.

For 20 bucks more you can get a Blu-ray player in your console, free online multiplayer and the ability to plug in any usb hard-dirve you want instead of their $180 dollar for 120 gigs. I got my PS3 a usb harddrive.. 250 gig for 80 bucks..
 
Marajade said:
MS Backed them in the production of the players, to make them cheeper and lowering the cost to help beat the Rival Blu-Ray
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Thats has nothing to do with making the format. Which is what both of you were talking about. Firestreak said Microsoft invented HD-DVD. I(and others) told him they didn't. He made himself into a retard, and you gave him the reach around.

It might help if you actually read instead of blindly agreeing with someone just because they're the only other person on the entire message board that bows down to Sony as much as you do.

Firestreak said:
By the way Skaw.. the 80k was Japan, I mixed the numbers up with US. Big... fucking...deal. Get over yourself.
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I even said that Japan sold the 80k. You denied it and said it was North American. If it was a simple mix up, you would have realized it at that point. You're just stupid.
 
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Anyway, if Microsoft really did it to spite Sony, why team up with Toshiba, One of the three joint companies that developed the cell? Maybe it's an inside job to topple Sony for making Viaos against Toshiba's Satellites!

You guys are seriously paranoid.
 
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Skaw said:
Thats has nothing to do with making the format. Which is what both of you were talking about. Firestreak said Microsoft invented HD-DVD. I(and others) told him they didn't. He made himself into a retard, and you gave him the reach around.
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Lol, show me where I said that, you dumb shit.

Skaw said:
It might help if you actually read instead of blindly agreeing with someone just because they're the only other person on the entire message board that bows down to Sony as much as you do.
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It might help if you stopped banging your sister and grew a brain.

Skaw said:
I even said that Japan sold the 80k. You denied it and said it was North American. If it was a simple mix up, you would have realized it at that point. You're just stupid.
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Yeah, I just so happened to randomly say 80k when it's the number of Japanese PS3s at launch. It's important to check all your facts when defending the EU launch, the 2nd biggest launch in history(damn PSP for beating it!).

Skaw said:
Anyway, if Microsoft really did it to spite Sony, why team up with Toshiba, One of the three joint companies that developed the cell? Maybe it's an inside job to topple Sony for making Viaos against Toshiba's Satellites!

You guys are seriously paranoid.
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I already explained why. The main concern for Microsoft is to move into the realm of digital downloading, where they can control and profit so much by being a software provider instead of a hardware provider. Without a unified format they slow the adoption of a new format. It's pretty obvious that digital downloads is what they want. It's obvious while they back HD DVD they don't even like physical media, and they wouldn't put it in their Xbox. If they want HD Dvd to win it's less than they want blu-ray to lose.
 
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Firestreak said:
On an off topic, I find the new Xbox 360 pretty funny.

$480 without a HD DVD drive or wireless internet.

For 20 bucks more you can get a Blu-ray player in your console, free online multiplayer and the ability to plug in any usb hard-dirve you want instead of their $180 dollar for 120 gigs. I got my PS3 a usb harddrive.. 250 gig for 80 bucks..
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And a significantly worse game library, WOOT.
 
Firestreak said:
Lol, show me where I said that, you dumb shit.
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2) Microsoft wants to lower the percieved value of the blu-ray drive by creating a rival format to lower consumer's trust: thereby lowering the value of the PS3.
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Yeah, I just so happened to randomly say 80k when it's the number of Japanese PS3s at launch. It's important to check all your facts when defending the EU launch, the 2nd biggest launch in history(damn PSP for beating it!).
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I wouldn't say it was "random" when you actually decided to defend it. Anything else you want to backtrack on?

Anyway, I'm done. I've had my fill of talking to a senseless, brick of a person, who easily forgets what he says because it was a ignorant statement he'd want others to forget as well.
 
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There's a format and there's a technology behind it. Toshiba invented the actual physical media and technology to imprint data. Microsoft was involved in the actual format. For reference, Blu-Ray and HD DVD use the same type of laser for reading and burning, which is why dual readers like from LG exist.

Skaw said:
I wouldn't say it was "random" when you actually decided to defend it. Anything else you want to backtrack on?

Anyway, I'm done. I've had my fill of talking to a senseless, brick of a person, who easily forgets what he says because it was a ignorant statement he'd want others to forget as well.
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Thank god... good riddance.


@ Tagrineth:

Step 1: Collect underpants.
Step 2: Sell a cheap defective system to gain market share early and build up a game library.
Step 3: Upgrade your console to fix past problems while making your console as expensive as competitors, simultaneously fucking over early adopters.
Step 4: Leverage your equal priced, inferior product that has less features with the market share gained by selling it as a cheaper product.
Step 5: Charge users 50 dollars a year to use it.
Step 6: Profit.
 
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Using your logic Fire, then the Playstation belongs to IBM. Sony paid for it, but IBM developed it. If Microsoft possibly put money in to HD, and Toshiba developed it, then you say HD is a Microsoft product. Your logic makes no sense.
 
I'm only talking about Microsoft's motivation within the format war, in which they are a huge factor A lot of experts who follow the industry closely believe that their main goal is to push digital downloads and phase out real media, and their backing of HD DVD is only to slow down Blu-Ray adoption.

As this discussion went on, the elite was revealed, supporting this theory. Sony's price was driven up by Blu-ray, now the Elite is out there to have a huge harddrive to download digital content. They pushed disc space, not a HD format, and HDMI to watch that downloaded media.
 
I don't doubt they want digital downloads in the future, with the power of the internet and the size/cheapness of storage space, physical media is becoming more of a bother than a benefit. Hell, it'll even cut down on the next generation of consoles tremendously, so it's really a win-win situation. We get a superior method of delivering content with no supply restrictions, and it's cheaper to boot.

I think the "conspiracy against blu-ray" is half-baked; yeah there's some minor proof to it, but it's mostly conjecture. Yeah, they want digital downloads, but they could have just as easily marketed the 360 without HD-DVD and pushed digital downloads; probably would have even saved money in the process. They could have crushed the blu-ray by just ease of use, distribution and development.
 
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Blu-ray would be a lot bigger now if Microsoft had stayed neutral, because there'd be no HD Dvd anymore. With everyone who wants a High def player behind the same format the prices would be lower, more movies would be out as there'd be more demand for the same exact product and one format would have every single high def movie coming out to it. On top of that, with all that behind a format, many, many, many more people would adopt that format.

In the end... are the tiny differences between hd dvd and blu-ray practically worth 2 format? The demands microsoft made of blu-ray were demands that were impossible for blu-ray to meet, because they'd already had the movie studios on board based on their copy protection software. This, by the way, is why Blu-ray ended up being the format with all the studio support.

Is digital downloading the future? Perhaps one day. Right now, a high def flick is going to take up 20 gigs. With Microsoft's hard-drive that's 6 movies. For those 6 movies you're paying MS 180 for the space. That's 30 dollar a movie., plus the actual price for the license. I buy my blu-rays for 15 bucks. I can take my blu-rays with me to a friend's house and watch the movie there. I can sell my blu-ray when I no longer want it.

When high def content can be easily, cheaply stored and taken with you whenever you go I'll let them phase digital media out... today, it's just a move that hurts the consumer.
 
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I don't doubt they want digital downloads in the future, with the power of the internet and the size/cheapness of storage space, physical media is becoming more of a bother than a benefit. Hell, it'll even cut down on the next generation of consoles tremendously, so it's really a win-win situation. We get a superior method of delivering content with no supply restrictions, and it's cheaper to boot.

I think the "conspiracy against blu-ray" is half-baked; yeah there's some minor proof to it, but it's mostly conjecture. Yeah, they want digital downloads, but they could have just as easily marketed the 360 without HD-DVD and pushed digital downloads; probably would have even saved money in the process. They could have crushed the blu-ray by just ease of use, distribution and development.
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I know what you're saying. Unlike one of our recient conversations, i now make use of the HDloader 8.0b for my PS2. For more than 1 reason running the game off the HDD is much perferred.

However. Killing the Disc or whatever physical media will be a disaster for sales and the amount of games consumers purchase. For the same price you can buy the physical media that has games as much as 20 gigs without worrying about how much HDD space you have left. Games are increasing in size, and no one wants to download 20 gigs more or less per game to fill up their HDD.

DVD9 and Blu Ray saves us the hassle of swapping Hard drives down the road and is a cheaper alternative. The Discs also make games available for rent or trade, which is a part of games being tested and sold in many cases.
 
Anttaru said:
I know what you're saying. Unlike one of our recient conversations, i now make use of the HDloader 8.0b for my PS2. For more than 1 reason running the game off the HDD is much perferred.

However. Killing the Disc or whatever physical media will be a disaster for sales and the amount of games consumers purchase. For the same price you can buy the physical media that has games as much as 20 gigs without worrying about how much HDD space you have left. Games are increasing in size, and no one wants to download 20 gigs more or less per game to fill up their HDD.

DVD9 and Blu Ray saves us the hassle of swapping Hard drives down the road and is a cheaper alternative. The Discs also make games available for rent or trade, which is a part of games being tested and sold in many cases.
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As Tag already said in one of the other threads, they're using up a lot of space because they're not bothering with any kind of compression or efficiency. That's unfortunately a bad habit to get in to, and it'll hurt them later if they don't learn resource management. Yeah, eventually space would become a problem(so would storage space if you bought that many actual discs), but 120 gigs is a pretty small hard drive today; hell they could even sell "attachments" of external hard drives to throw on.

Oh, and HDL 0.8b rocks.

firestreak said:
I buy my blu-rays for 15 bucks
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I don't buy that unless they're the shitty movies that no one wants anyways, they're used, or just on a massive sale to actually get high-def DVD's to actually sell. Looking here they're all $25 or higher, most are 30+.
 
I dont quite see digital downloading "replaceing" physical media. Even with storage devices being cheep, you would still need a bitchload to cover all the movies that most people own. I have over 700 DVDs which at todays standard of 1.5GB a movie is over 1000GB of dataspace i'd need. Some movies even being as big as 2.5GB for high definition.

While i believe it'll come forward in the same way Itunes did with music downloading, it'll never replace physical media. The only thing it would conciveibly replace is movie rental stores.
 
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