Windower 3.4 Released.

Bajaratt said:
You can do that with the in-game macros, Windower just lets you have more lines. Uzor even pointed that out.

It's still not a bot, by any definition of the term; it's just a longer macro. You're an idiot.
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You can't do it with say 30 lines with ingame macro, and that's my point. At best you will produce 3 ether ingame, and you will empty your tank with a script
 
pchan said:
You can't do it with say 30 lines with ingame macro, and that's my point. At best you will produce 3 ether ingame, and you will empty your tank with a script
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No, your point was that longer macro lines are a bot, which is stupid even for an idiot like you. Yes, you have longer macro lines if you use the windower macros, but they are not, in any way, shape or form, a bot.
 
Is there a particular reason why a person cant just press the macro again or is that too difficult for people playing xbox?
 
Man, I was gonna post a feedback thread regarding this, but honestly, given the bias I've seen in this thread, what's the use? The rule here is apparently "No cheats, except the ones people like", and I don't honestly see that changing.

This was the problem that was obvious from the very beginning when the windower defaulted to use cheat plugins and SE did nothing regarding it. Now, here we are years later, and the community feels it's not just acceptable, but they're entitled to do as they please in someone else's sandbox. I guess that's why this isn't going to change, as people as a whole are highly unlikely to admit that they're doing something wrong by doing something they were specifically told not to.

Even more of a disappointment is the apparent opinion of this website that the players, not the owners of FFXI are the ones who decide the rules (or at least choose to make exceptions based on their standards, and not those of Square-Enix)

I'd always known when SE added a windowed mode, it would separate those who wanted to legitimately be able to run their game in a window from those who were in it for the plugins. It's just depressing seeing the end result. Oh well.


Edit: In addition, to make a further point of what I've said, several posters here appear to be violently attached to the use of these tools, resorting to name-calling and expletives when someone calls it for what it is...
 
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Garvin said:
Man, I was gonna post a feedback thread regarding this, but honestly, given the bias I've seen in this thread, what's the use? The rule here is apparently "No cheats, except the ones people like", and I don't honestly see that changing.

This was the problem that was obvious from the very beginning when the windower defaulted to use cheat plugins and SE did nothing regarding it. Now, here we are years later, and the community feels it's not just acceptable, but they're entitled to do as they please in someone else's sandbox. I guess that's why this isn't going to change, as people as a whole are highly unlikely to admit that they're doing something wrong by doing something they were specifically told not to.

Even more of a disappointment is the apparent opinion of this website that the players, not the owners of FFXI are the ones who decide the rules (or at least choose to make exceptions based on their standards, and not those of Square-Enix)

I'd always known when SE added a windowed mode, it would separate those who wanted to legitimately be able to run their game in a window from those who were in it for the plugins. It's just depressing seeing the end result. Oh well.
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That's too bad.
 
/item "Hi-ether tank" <me>
/wait 60
/item "Hi-ether tank" <me>
...
repeat

Yes, scripts ARE bots.
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A bot responds to certain actions, while a script cannot much like macros cant either. For example, a bot searches for Tiamat ID, when found waits 1000ms or so (user defined), then initiates a response (dia, flash, etc). A script is literally just an infinite macro line. A script cannot target something for you, so you couldnt script something for mining.

If scripting ether tanks and enhancing magic skill ups are a top concern for the well being of the game, I dont know what to tell you.
 
Garvin said:
Man, I was gonna post a feedback thread regarding this, but honestly, given the bias I've seen in this thread, what's the use? The rule here is apparently "No cheats, except the ones people like", and I don't honestly see that changing.

This was the problem that was obvious from the very beginning when the windower defaulted to use cheat plugins and SE did nothing regarding it. Now, here we are years later, and the community feels it's not just acceptable, but they're entitled to do as they please in someone else's sandbox. I guess that's why this isn't going to change, as people as a whole are highly unlikely to admit that they're doing something wrong by doing something they were specifically told not to.

Even more of a disappointment is the apparent opinion of this website that the players, not the owners of FFXI are the ones who decide the rules (or at least choose to make exceptions based on their standards, and not those of Square-Enix)

I'd always known when SE added a windowed mode, it would separate those who wanted to legitimately be able to run their game in a window from those who were in it for the plugins. It's just depressing seeing the end result. Oh well.


Edit: In addition, to make a further point of what I've said, several posters here appear to be violently attached to the use of these tools, resorting to name-calling and expletives when someone calls it for what it is...
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Rated up for truth.
 
Garvin said:
I'd always known when SE added a windowed mode, it would separate those who wanted to legitimately be able to run their game in a window from those who were in it for the plugins. It's just depressing seeing the end result. Oh well.
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There's much less of a distinction when you factor in just how much the SE windower sucks in comparison to the unofficial windower; without running any plugins, the unofficial one is significantly better.

Everyone knows you don't like windower, so why do you feel the incessant need to bring this shit up every single time someone talks about it? You're not going to convert anyone, you're just going to annoy them and most likely drive them away from your line of thinking. Hell, this thread's already been derailed away from it's original purpose by the same few people who apparently think it's their mission in life to tell everyone how the windower is some super hack every single chance they get. It's futile, it's annoying, so just stop already. We don't care, you can sit on your "moral high ground" all you want, but just do it quietly, please.
 
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Pesmerga said:
just shut the fuck up, who pissed in your cereal? WHO CARES

EDIT: and really garvin, rate me down all day for all i care. ill say what i want, when i want. you are a complete tool and you probley know it in the back of your mind.
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Irony much? Gonna rate me down for agreeing with someone that (to the best of my knowledge) I've never publically agreed with before?

Why don't you read what he posted before throwing rate downs? You might actually learn something.
 
Bajaratt said:
There's much less of a distinction when you factor in just how much the SE windower sucks in comparison to the unofficial windower; without running any plugins, the unofficial one is significantly better.

Everyone knows you don't like windower, so why do you feel the incessant need to bring this shit up every single time someone talks about it? You're not going to convert anyone, you're just going to annoy them and most likely drive them away from your line of thinking. Hell, this thread's already been derailed away from it's original purpose by the same few people who apparently think it's their mission in life to tell everyone how the windower is some super hack every single chance they get. It's futile, it's annoying, so just stop already. We don't care, you can sit on your "moral high ground" all you want, but just do it quietly, please.
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Much like you would like my opinion to just go away, I would like the people posting links to programs which have been explicitly forbidden to stop posting such things.

Also, I realize you don't care for, or agree with what I've said, but please don't exaggerate my opinions to make them appear ridiculous (or more ridiculous, depending on your point of view.)
 
Garvin said:
Much like you would like my opinion to just go away, I would like the people posting links to programs which have been explicitly forbidden to stop posting such things.
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That's fine, but you can stop derailing every thread about the windower already. Hell, make your own anti-windower thread like you were already planning to do.

SE has "explicitly forbidden" the windower and it's plugins in word only, they still haven't taken a single step towards stopping people from using it. Not one ban, and lately most of the time they only say "don't use third party tools because you might compromise your account" rather than just "don't use third party tools." If they actually bothered to do something about it(it's been about 3 years since it first came out, afterall), then I'm sure there'd be a decent amount of people who would stop using it. As far as SE's enforcement of their policy is concerned, the windower and it's plugins are the same thing as fraps.

Also, I realize you don't care for, or agree with what I've said, but please don't exaggerate my opinions to make them appear ridiculous (or more ridiculous, depending on your point of view.)
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Part of my post was just in general to the people who consider the windower to be outright hacking. Pchan is one of them in particular, who's just an idiot all around, but is being especially stupid when it comes to the windower. Saying longer macros is a bot is a prime example of his stupidity at work.
 
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If they actually did something about it then there would be a decent amount of people to actually quit too.
 
Oh I see how it is, Garvin. Going to rate everyone down who is tired of the crap you spew? Well fine, I think I can play this game with you too.
 
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Just for the record, you can make a simple bot out of windower macros, a macro can call another macro. Though not hard to figure out on your own, going into details might be skirting on what's allowed/disallowed on qcdn, so not going to bother.

I bet 99.9% of people using windower macros have never used it to make such a bot though, making the point moot.

Calling the windower bad is akin to calling guns evil.
 
I'm not sure but wasn't the whole argument of Bots vs Windower Macros just debating that Windower Macros aren't bots? People weren't really trying to say it was okay to use. Just that there is a difference.

Mind you, I'm tired and prolly wrong. I'm wrong a lot so...
 
Myrrh said:
I'm not sure but wasn't the whole argument of Bots vs Windower Macros just debating that Windower Macros aren't bots? People weren't really trying to say it was okay to use. Just that there is a difference.
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I didn't really care about the argument itself, just was pointing out that you could technically make a simple bot that's not just cut+pasting lines a billion times, since no one seems to of realized or posted about it yet, only suggesting the cut+paste idea of a bot.
 
Bajaratt said:
Part of my post was just in general to the people who consider the windower to be outright hacking. Pchan is one of them in particular, who's just an idiot all around, but is being especially stupid when it comes to the windower. Saying longer macros is a bot is a prime example of his stupidity at work.
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If he and Mdkuser are so anti-Windower they wouldn't do events with Uzor who uses it.
 
SE has agents tracking the locations of Windower users.

Spoiler:
This is their story.
 
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