WTF is up with racist ppl?

[Mokk]

What did I say that was sterotypical of homosexuals? When you can answer that I will consider that you might have a point. Otherwise you should take it for what it was; a colloquialism.

Look, I'm an African American. Anyone who has a problem with that can come see me. Stop being little gay cowards and hating on ppl you don't know behind anonymous computer screens.

I'd assume you mean to say that gay people are all cowards who hate people behind their backs based on your arguments in this thread.

I had no idea the guy was so crazy about this Osode. He practically stalked me and I felt like he might actually steal it.[/quote ]

Being crazy, a stalker, and a theif i take offense to this... (anyone who doesn't at least chuckle at that is a commy.)

But the main issue is this guy said something to my friend to the effect of your black so its to be expected. In other words he was trying to say black people are naturally dishonest.

Leather up, fruitcake, things said of this nature can only come from bad experience, bad upbringing, or just plain stupidity. Take the moral high ground and grow some nuts.

And there are pics of my friend on ffxiplayers. He's not even black. So WTF Trancos? You were all nice to me when you wanted my friend's Osode and now your throwing racist insults from the safety of your computer?

My emo-sense is tingling....

How bout I email you my address and you can say that shit to my face. You don't see me telling every white person they're dishonest like the ppl who stole America from Native Americans and called it manifest destiney.

OMFG OR THE PEOPLE WHO STOLE AMERICA FROM THE ANIMALS ... jesus, people like you kill me. It's all well and good if you're out donating charity time on a reservation and providing money to native american college funds, but your raping their people just to make a point, at least white people let them build casino's. You just raped the natives and white people simply to make a horribly illustrated point on a message board. Bravo.

So don't let me hear any of your ignorance near where I can physically "educate" you.

wow .. a physical threat of violence ... Point taken, please don't hurt me angry black man.

Now, of course, the icing on the cake is these things were pointed out nicely to you and even ventured to attribute some humor to them, but that went wizzing by your head so low you'd be sportin a flat-top again (or i could just be real old and this might be your first time. but i digress.)

And let me make this VERY clear. It depends on who you are speaking to. The only reason some were offended by what I said is because there were some gay ppl in the audience.

The only reason you got offended is because your black. ohnoes, was that a stereotype? do ALL black people let prejudice bring them down? I can think of a glaring example of one that didn't with a birthday coming soon ..... too bad someone shot him cause of all that sense he was making in this country.

Was I directing it at you? No. If you don't think being gay is a bad thing then why get offended at someone being called gay in a negative way?

Was the original comment directed at you? No, it was directed to your friend. If you think being black is a bad thing then why get offended at someone being called black in a negative way? ....... now i tried to make sense of your line and use it against you there, but it didn't make any more sense when i said it either.

Who gives a shit that the person speaking NOT TO YOU think its not a positive thing to be gay or that it makes a guy less of a man.

It's nice that out of nowhere you take the buddhist approach to the gay conversation, but not 2 posts earlier made the threat of violence about your little racial convo.

This tickles me:

Does it mean I hate gay people? NO. Would I call a gay person gay? NO. Why state the obvious like that? That's dumb. This would be like saying "OH well you're white" Yeah? So? Unless its a bad thing to you then theirs no reason to feel oppressed. I wouldn't care if someone said "Oh well you're black" Yeah, I'm proud to be black. That's not the same as saying "Oh well you're black so you steal stuff and are dishonest". So stop trying to compare the two. Even if you make a racial joke to someone, it is different if they know you are joking. But if that's how you really honestly feel and its not a joke the person is within their rights to get offended.

Halif, you're gay.
Neo, you're white.
Zealot, your black.

OMFGZORZ, let's get uppity about calling people what they are. I'll call people wtf-ever they are, if they get offended it's something they need to work on. If your the one upset because someone looked at you and made a factual statement, mayhaps you're not as ok with yourself as it would appear. Your ideology is ignorant .. not stupid .. simply ignorant, it lacks enlightening. By the way, didn't you make a gripe about the (white) people who came to rape the indians? but that's not the same as saying balck people steal stuff....... mmmkay.

I know people choose to be gay. But that's irrelevant. That's a whole other debate. I'm not going to condemn every person who says "you fag" as hating gay people. Just because I can't agree with you doesn't mean I hate you and it doesn't mean I think you are dishonest or whatever. That one choice doesn't make you the same as every other gay person. OK? Geez. What's next? Attacked by the PC police cuz someone makes a joke about fat people? I don't doubt that some gay people are tortured. Am I the torturer? No. So stop getting in the way of my flame against racists.

Halif hit the nail on the head .. i can't remember choosing to be straight. I can remember choosing not to be gay. I'd imagine it's the same for them. Your whole string of posts in this thread have been self-defeating and contradictory. There's a difference between can't and wont, you WONT agree with him, you can you simply choose not to. Much in the same way you choose to be straight or choose to be black and not masacre the english language while posting. You've been attacked by the logic-poklice, son, the PC-police ain't got shit on me ... or anyone else for that matter. You're just as racist as everyone else, you're just in denial .. what's worse you're a self-righteous hater. Not only is your opinion wholly good and right, you say it with enough fervor to believe you';ve not contradicted yourself at least 10 times. I hope this post is beneficial to you in relating your deficiencies relating your point, this is why you've not been taken seriously and your application for a good thread has been denied.

Good Day.

 

[elvaankitty]

But the main issue is this guy said something to my friend to the effect of your black so its to be expected. In other words he was trying to say black people are naturally dishonest.

In one thought ........ and in another

And let me make this VERY clear. It depends on who you are speaking to. The only reason some were offended by what I said is because there were some gay ppl in the audience. Was I directing it at you? No. If you don't think being gay is a bad thing then why get offended at someone being called gay in a negative way? Who gives a shit that the person speaking NOT TO YOU think its not a positive thing to be gay or that it makes a guy less of a man. .

If it is ok for you to use a carefree word such as him being gay, since it isn't directed directly towards anyone reading this who may be gay. No one is supposed to be mad right? Just a term as you put it. But in the first quote section the reference to being black wasn't even directed to you but your friend. Am confused here if it wasn't directed towards you and you got all pissy about it why is not alright for someone who is of a different sexual preference to be upset by your terminology in the OP.

 

[Halifirien]

So in other words because they were mentioned in the same paragraph you drew YOUR OWN conclusion. Each is a different group. The only relationship they have TO ME is that they are all BAD CHOICES.

Yes, I drew my own conclusion (based on what you said) that you believed homosexuality was on the same moral level as pedophilia and bestiality. I was correct, so I'm not sure why you're suddenly acting like I was the overly-sensitive PC cop drawing that conclusion out of thin air.

I'm also not sure where you get that I'm trying to "control" what you say. If I wanted to spend all my time hiding in the bushes just so I could pop out and scream "homophobe!" every time someone used the term "gay" in a negative way, all I'd have to do is follow Vang around QCDN.

I read your first post and didn't consider responding to your "gay little coward" swipe because I didn't give a shit. It's when you lumped me and mine in with sheep fuckers and child molesters that I saw what our friends in the education business call a "teachable moment" because the absurdity of complaining about one unfair stereotype while embracing another is too obvious to ignore.

I have no interest in "controlling" anyone's speech. You're free to say you believe homosexuality is a sin (although I'm wondering if you only think it's a sin when guys do it, since you think "lesbians are hot") and I'm free to say I think you're full of it. You seem to believe because it's your opinion it's above being challenged, and that's the silliest thing I've ever heard.

 

[Zealot X]

Racism still exists because ppl ignore it too much. We don't talk about how stupid and ignorant it is enough in their presence. And because they have all these false assumptions they never get to know people of that race who they're talking about. Unless you've seen all the ppl you know in FFXI on ffxiplayers you may be friends with a person of a race you dont even like. I think that's a good thing. And when people get offended and say something back I think that's also a good thing. I'm not Martin Luther King. My dream is not non-violent. And its not sadness I feel. It's anger. Will there always be people that make us angry? Of course. That doesn't mean you stop getting angry. There may be racism but you never ever have to accept it. Unfortunately a flame on QCDN is the best I can do in protest.

And maybe... Just maybe... someone who knows this racist in-game will tell him its not cool and use their influence to give some positive peer pressure.

 

[Mokk]

Racism still exists because ppl ignore it too much. We don't talk about how stupid and ignorant it is enough in their presence. And because they have all these false assumptions they never get to know people of that race who they're talking about. Unless you've seen all the ppl you know in FFXI on ffxiplayers you may be friends with a person of a race you dont even like. I think that's a good thing. And when people get offended and say something back I think that's also a good thing. I'm not Martin Luther King. My dream is not non-violent. And its not sadness I feel. It's anger. Will there always be people that make us angry? Of course. That doesn't mean you stop getting angry. There may be racism but you never ever have to accept it. Unfortunately a flame on QCDN is the best I can do in protest.

Nice 180.
You're right.

And maybe... Just maybe... someone who knows this racist in-game will tell him its not cool and use their influence to give some positive peer pressure.

Hope so. Congratulations, you've intelligently made your point!

So-and-So said this, you may want to be wary of this person as they are obviously in dire need of education. Thank you for arriving there instead of getting all pissy about the responses you got, having been here for as long as i have i can honestly say it's refreshing.

 

[Zealot X]

But yes, people will be racist in the game. Unless people can be accountable, they'll do whatever the damn hell they feel like it. I've been in many parties where people make racist remarks against chinese people and hell if they know I'm chinese.

Who said that wasn't racist? Who is excusing ANYONE? It is wrong in all cases. Just because I'm talking about Trancos and what he said about African Americans doesn't mean I support hate towards white, Chinese, Japanese, w/e. I don't discriminate in PTs nor do I care what color ppl are or make it an issue when they do stuff. If a person sux it is the PERSON who sux, not their whole race.

 

[Halifirien]

And when people get offended and say something back I think that's also a good thing.

Then stop complaining when I call you on comments about the gay community.

 

[Zealot X]

I'd assume you mean to say that gay people are all cowards who hate people behind their backs based on your arguments in this thread.

and you'd be wrong. I couldn understand if I was actually talking to a homosexual. Because the coward I'm talking to isn't a homosexual then why would it make homosexuals cowards? gay and coward were separate adjectives. Let's just say you misunderstood and move on.

I had no idea the guy was so crazy about this Osode. He practically stalked me and I felt like he might actually steal it.

Being crazy, a stalker, and a theif i take offense to this... (anyone who doesn't at least chuckle at that is a commy.)
Leather up, fruitcake, things said of this nature can only come from bad experience, bad upbringing, or just plain stupidity. Take the moral high ground and grow some nuts.

Please make sense if you want rational responses from me. Are you Trancos? I'm talking about the behavior that he displayed in talking to me. Unless you can take everything he said and the amount of time he bothered me about me giving him my friend's Osode which I didn't even have because he didn't want him to have it.... and convince me that it wasn't in anyway crazy stalker type stuff or that he might steal it then you have nothing to say about the impression that I got from him. Just trying to flame me for entertainment is childish.

And how do I know this? BECAUSE YOU CALLED ME A "FRUITCAKE" which is... all together now.... the same as "gay" or "fag". So you just did the same thing I did and trying to say I'm wrong. LMAO wow! Now you have got some nuts. I guess the pot really can call the kettle black. I hope it makes you feel better flaming me, hypocrite.

OMFG OR THE PEOPLE WHO STOLE AMERICA FROM THE ANIMALS ... jesus, people like you kill me. It's all well and good if you're out donating charity time on a reservation and providing money to native american college funds, but your raping their people just to make a point, at least white people let them build casino's. You just raped the natives and white people simply to make a horribly illustrated point on a message board. Bravo.

For those who might be illiterate out there... I was not saying all white ppl are guilty of stealing America. I was saying you DONT see me out there saying that as if all white did it. Furthermore, "at least white ppl LET them build casinos" WTF!? That's not funny. You may think its funny what happened to Native and African Americans enough to joke about it. But its my right not to share your views and to be of the opinion that your views are just as ignorant as Trancos's racist statement. My whole point is that members of a race are not responsible for actions committed by other members of the same race.

wow .. a physical threat of violence ... Point taken, please don't hurt me angry black man.

Heh... a person can make a joke to me from anywhere. But I like any disrespect to be up close and personal. If you have a problem with that I guess you wouldn't understand. It's just like how you can call me an angry black man without having to worry about what an angry black man might do to you. Unlike some people I don't say things that would normally result in a fight unless I was actually there in person to have the fight. That's what I call being a man. However, I cannot expect you or everyone to understand that.

The only reason you got offended is because your black. ohnoes, was that a stereotype? do ALL black people let prejudice bring them down? I can think of a glaring example of one that didn't with a birthday coming soon ..... too bad someone shot him cause of all that sense he was making in this country.

So you would like to think. The fact is that all racism offends me. But having the friends that I do I don't normally hear ANY type of racism, not towards white people, Hispanic, anyone. It's simply not cool. Period. You want to make it about me being black because you want to flame me cuz you probably think its cool. The truth is though is that what offended me more about this situation is not what he said but who he said it to; my friend. I like many exotic cultures. However NONE of that is relevant to THIS flame. I don't need to politically make myself into Martin Luther king before earning the right to flame a guy for racial comments.

Was the original comment directed at you? No, it was directed to your friend. If you think being black is a bad thing then why get offended at someone being called black in a negative way? ....... now i tried to make sense of your line and use it against you there, but it didn't make any more sense when i said it either.

*sigh* I you would actually READ I wouldn't have to explain this to you. Being called black was NOT what was offensive. Hell, a lot of white kids would love being called black. You'd probably call them whiggers or w/e, but I see nothing wrong with liking elements of another culture and being able to fit in. NO buddy, the problem was the association between black people and dishonesty and for that he never needed to be talking to me or even to my friend. It's still offensive; just like the guy who said we could decrease crime by killing black babies. That was offensive to ALL back people. Now I could probably think up some comments used by comedians that would upset you but the point is I wouldn't say anything that would purposely be offensive to your race.

It's nice that out of nowhere you take the buddhist approach to the gay conversation, but not 2 posts earlier made the threat of violence about your little racial convo.

because you misunderstood me as an "angry black man" doesn't mean I'm not a man of peace. Nor does it mean that a man of peace doesn't have anything that he's willing to fight for. Fighting for a righteous cause is different from simply being a thug. Hint: my name is a clue.

This tickles me:

Halif, you're gay.
Neo, you're white.
Zealot, your black.

OMFGZORZ, let's get uppity about calling people what they are. I'll call people wtf-ever they are, if they get offended it's something they need to work on. If your the one upset because someone looked at you and made a factual statement, mayhaps you're not as ok with yourself as it would appear. Your ideology is ignorant .. not stupid .. simply ignorant, it lacks enlightening. By the way, didn't you make a gripe about the (white) people who came to rape the indians? but that's not the same as saying balck people steal stuff....... mmmkay.

OMG, Reading comprehenshion, (] Can I have it? [) Didn't I say that stating the obvious is nothing to be offended about? How long are you going to try and flame me over your own imagination? Why would I be offended by being called black? Is what you are offensive? And again, I said YOU DONT SEE ME SAYING WHITE PPL RAPED THE INDIANS, ETC.

Halif hit the nail on the head .. i can't remember choosing to be straight.

Did you choose to start speaking or was it a learned behavior you got from your parents. Though irrelevant to this discussion ppl keep trying to make points for the acceptance of homosexuality. People do NOT have to accept it. It may be normal for homosexuals but that doesn't make it NATURAL. And it is not ignorant to have a difference of opinion on this. I'm not going to suddenly say something is okay just because x% decides to start doing it. You don't get to vote on what's right and wrong. I don't care if 30% of the population wanted to make a case for being able to rape drunk women. Right and wrong don't get to be voted on in the court of public opinion. And no its not that I wont agree. I CANNOT agree. And no one is here "applying" for good thread. A true flame is for the benefit of the one doing the flaming. I couldn't care less of what 1 person says to try to make their opinion significant.

And for ANYONE who wants to suggest I'm racist I reiterate this again, homosexuals are NOT a race.

 

[Zealot X]

Then stop complaining when I call you on comments about the gay community.

If I actually hated gay ppl like many fundamentalist Christians then I would applaud you. But that's simply not the case THIS TIME. I didn't make any comments about the gay community aside from the fact that I believe its wrong and a choice. These aren't insults. These are arguments in a debate. If you don't think its wrong then why be offended? It's not like I said something about you that could only be true for a small percentage of the gay population. The difference is that I don't hate you. I disagree with you. You can't call someone on a disagreement without being able to prove that you're correct.

Probably 70-90% of straight ppl make jokes about each other being gay or call someone gay in order to insult the person's masculinity which we associate with being heterosexual. In stead of saying "oh well you are... not particularly manly" we say "you're gay" (its also shorter and sounds less retarded). It's not really even the same as insulting the gay community and I do think a lot of homosexuals understand this. If you don't that's okay too. If you still don't understand.... we can look at another example. Guys will call each other girls or say that "you throw like a girl" or something of that nature. Is it offensive to women? Are are we simply insulting the person's manhood? For a guy, calling someone a girl or gay is the SAME THING. It's only offensive when ppl uneccessarily react to the words instead of the meaning behind them. Because at the same time all guys know what that there are strong women but femininity just happens to be the opposite spectrum of masculinity, just like being gay is the opposite end of the spectrum of manly sexuality. Now you could say "well I'm just as much of a man so I choose to be offended". And that's ok. You can do that. But can you see how it might be a politically correct thing to not say those things that practically all guys say to insult each others manhoods. And maybe while we're at it, we should stop insulting each other's manhoods since we're running out of words to do it with. But how much fun would that be? So that is why I'm telling you it wasn't mean to be offensive to you.

I'm sorry but how macho does "I think you are a person of dubious masculinity" sound? Come on ppl. This is totally different from malicious racist remarks. Homosexuals are not a victim here.

 

[Zealot X]

There is a difference between a debatable issue with no malicious intent or hate and a bias or slander against an ethnic group. There is also a difference between insulting another man's manhood for such slander and hating homosexuals. Period. It's not even about what you hear. It's about what the person who said it meant by it.

 

[Halifirien]

In stead of saying "oh well you are... not particularly manly" we say "you're gay" (its also shorter and sounds less retarded). It's not really even the same as insulting the gay community and I do think a lot of homosexuals understand this.

See, this is why you're cracking me up so much. You're saying you use "gay" as an insult to imply someone is not a man, and yet you seem to think gay men "understand" you're not implying anything about them when you do that. Do you even begin to realize how stupid that makes you sound?

...just like being gay is the opposite end of the spectrum of manly sexuality.

Fuck you.

 

[Zealot X]

See, this is why you're cracking me up so much. You're saying you use "gay" as an insult to imply someone is not a man

yeah me and most other straight men, but its not "your not a man". It's an insult to their masculine ego or "manhood" which is not the same thing as simply being a man or being male. Some people do not understand the difference between masculine and effiminate, but to each his own. And I'm sorry that some homosexual are physically abused or persucuted. I really am. But if you want to feel like a victim here I think it does those who actually suffered a disservice when you make every little thing about hate. Fact is its not. And a lot of homosexuals DO understand this even though you do not. You do not speak for every single member of your community which is one of the points that I made.

 

[Blackchaoshero]

Gay is for legal purposes a race of sorts, not that they aren't just normal people like all the rest of us but discrimination against them for legal purposes is considered racism.

seriously, between this and the Yusuke flame the racism topic is getting on my nerves, there will always be prejudiced racist worthless people who will think what they want and nothing you say will ever change that.

Every race is probably discriminated against as equally as any other, people discriminate against black, white (yeah, you know it happens), half the NA community discriminates against the JP and even more do against the chinese in this game. you've been discriminated against? ow, my condolances, i hope you can manage to move on since someone pathetic enough to be racist on such a level was racist to you. The opinions of trash are worthless, move on.

 

[Halifirien]

I never implied I felt like a victim in this exchange. You were angry about a ignorant racist stereotype and then later equated jokes about gay people with jokes about NAMBLA and bestiality. You can say "I never said those are the same things" all you want, but the fact that those examples are the ones that came to mind says a lot more about your attitude than you'd like to believe.

My response to your points hasn't been about changing your mind. I don't care about doing that. I'm simply pointing out some of the contradictions -- obvious to those who don't have a problem with gay people and non-existent to those who do -- in your attitude for the education and amusement of the wider audience.

You feel you're being unfairly shit upon because you used an anti-gay slur and some people took it the wrong way because they didn't know what you meant? Buy a fucking umbrella. You're starting to sound like a good ol' boy whining that when he said "nigger" he didn't mean all black people, just the lazy ones.

No, being gay is not exactly the same as being a member of an easily-identified ethnic group. We have a few things in common, such as being subjected to ignorance and stupid stereotypes; pointing that out is the only reason I chimed in. I just thought it was kind of amusing and it just kept getting funnier as it went along. It still is.

 

[Anttaru]

This guy Trancos bugs a friend of mine about borrowing his Osode to the point where my friend asked me to say that I was using it. I had no idea the guy was so crazy about this Osode. He practically stalked me and I felt like he might actually steal it. So my friend keeps making excuses and I don't blame him one bit because he wasn't sure that this was the same person he knew before and to me he just seemed way too eager to get his hands on that Osode; an item worth over 100mil. I told my friend to just tell him no and be done with it but he's a nice guy and likes to help people. He was even thinking of quitting if this guy stole it which is proof enough he was close to letting him use it.

If your friend lets Trancos use the Osode, he will never get it back. Tell that to your friend.

Friend of mine accidentally put in his search comment "Scorpion Harness 1.1 mil". Trancos came to him and requested that they trade the harness. My friend said ok and they traded, and the poor guy never noticed that Trancos gave him 1.1 mil. My friend has been taken advantage of in his tired state. and his greatest mistake was not to realize the amount of gil he was recieving. I think the whole trade thing was Trancos's way of thriving for advantage, and actually succedded due to someone elses mistake.

But whatever. I can understand he might have been disappointed but there is no rule or courtesy that says someone has to let you borrow a 100+ mil item. But the main issue is this guy said something to my friend to the effect of your black so its to be expected. In other words he was trying to say black people are naturally dishonest. And there are pics of my friend on ffxiplayers. He's not even black. So WTF Trancos? You were all nice to me when you wanted my friend's Osode and now your throwing racist insults from the safety of your computer? How bout I email you my address and you can say that shit to my face. You don't see me telling every white person they're dishonest like the ppl who stole America from Native Americans and called it manifest destiney. So don't let me hear any of your ignorance near where I can physically "educate" you.

Another reminder to your friend, do not lend Trancos the Osode. Not just for my friend who i wish would have gotten his SH back, but for the sake of your friends mental health and people of colour.

Trancos had Kurei put in jail cause Kurei was very presistant to have the Scorpion Harness returned, Kurei was on his ass about it.

Racisim is against the rules in FFXI, and you can report him on 1 count of Racism and seemingly many counts of harassment.

What i was do if i was your friend with the Osode is tell Trancos to kneel down to you. Then tell Trancos he can have hte Osode tomorrow, and when the day comes say Tomorrow, and when that day comes tell Trancos Tomorrow, until Trancos pulls a hissy fit probably go spread roumor about you saying how "so and so said i can use his Osode *cough 99,999,999G cough* and now he said no.

On another note about the racism here. Forget about it Zeolotx, you already have your friends and family and a world of acceptance, you shouldn't let racist people upset you. You did the right thing posting about it though. I for one was amused to hear about it, and many others for the clearity of it, will know what they one day may encounter. I just have a firm belief that racism does not dominate the world as it is, and many cases of racists people are either alone or short on company/followers, That's their problem.

 

[Zealot X]

Gay is for legal purposes a race of sorts, not that they aren't just normal people like all the rest of us but discrimination against them for legal purposes is considered racism.

Fact: No one is discriminating against homosexuals in this thread. When one man makes a joke or insult about another man being gay or being a girl its not discrimination or prejudice against homosexuals or women. And its far different from saying "you're a woman so you must be ____" or "you're homosexual so you must be _____"

Fact: "Fruitcake" is the same as "fag" or "gay". Ironic that someone would call me that because i called another guy gay.

 

[Halifirien]

I'd never heard "fruitcake" used to refer to gay people. I always thought it meant "crazy," as in "nutty as a fruitcake." Then I did a Google search and found it had the other meaning. I guess you really do learn something new every day.

 

[Zealot X]

If your friend lets Trancos use the Osode, he will never get it back. Tell that to your friend.

Friend of mine accidentally put in his search comment "Scorpion Harness 1.1 mil". Trancos came to him and requested that they trade the harness. My friend said ok and they traded, and the poor guy never noticed that Trancos gave him 1.1 mil. My friend has been taken advantage of in his tired state. and his greatest mistake was not to realize the amount of gil he was recieving. I think the whole trade thing was Trancos's way of thriving for advantage, and actually succedded due to someone elses mistake.




Another reminder to your friend, do not lend Trancos the Osode. Not just for my friend who i wish would have gotten his SH back, but for the sake of your friends mental health and people of colour.

Trancos had Kurei put in jail cause Kurei was very presistant to have the Scorpion Harness returned, Kurei was on his ass about it.

Racisim is against the rules in FFXI, and you can report him on 1 count of Racism and seemingly many counts of harassment.

What i was do if i was your friend with the Osode is tell Trancos to kneel down to you. Then tell Trancos he can have hte Osode tomorrow, and when the day comes say Tomorrow, and when that day comes tell Trancos Tomorrow, until Trancos pulls a hissy fit probably go spread roumor about you saying how "so and so said i can use his Osode *cough 99,999,999G cough* and now he said no.

On another note about the racism here. Forget about it Zeolotx, you already have your friends and family and a world of acceptance, you shouldn't let racist people upset you. You did the right thing posting about it though. I for one was amused to hear about it, and many others for the clearity of it, will know what they one day may encounter. I just have a firm belief that racism does not dominate the world as it is, and many cases of racists people are either alone or short on company/followers, That's their problem.

Thanks, I'll let my friend know he did the right thing. I could tell he was really bothered by it because he thought he was an old friend. Trancos supposed left for awhile and came back. And my friend said he seemed like a different person. Now, I'm not trying to say he bought the account or something unverifiable. I wouldn't care if he did. All I was trying to do was try to prevent my friend from getting cheated out of his Osode. And its interesting that he cheated someone out of a SH already and is now yapping about an entire ethnic group being dishonest. My friend even wanted me to use his Osode and logged early just to keep from being harassed about it. He's a good guy.

If he trusted Trancos like he trusts me he would have easily let him borrow it. And he had the nerve to try and make both of us feel bad about it? I would have flat out told him that my friend didn't trust him if that's what he asked me to do but he didn't want to say anything that would hurt his feelings. That's the kind of people I love to have as friends. And I know he wouldn't even want to get Trancos in trouble. That's why he eventually just blisted him after this racist remark. I'm just glade he didn't lose it like another friend who accidently sold his, lol.

My suspicion is that it is a different Trancos who saw my friend already on his friends list and tried to buddy up to steal his stuff. I've never had much interest in borrowing an item so I can only suspect another motive behind it. Anyways, thank you for not getting side tracked by the 'extra' spin ppl tried to put on this thread. My friend will really appreciate knowing what happened with that SH. And that's all that's important to me right now.

 

[Zealot X]

I'd never heard "fruitcake" used to refer to gay people. I always thought it meant "crazy," as in "nutty as a fruitcake." Then I did a Google search and found it had the other meaning. I guess you really do learn something new every day.

Yeah well, a lot of ppl don't like to offend so they might not say those things if they know you're there. But yeah I've never really used it but "fruity pants" or generally any use of the word "fruity" is simply slang for gay. I do apologize if you were offended. I will say that. However, I don't apologize for using "gay" to insult or make jokes about the manhood of other heterosexuals. I don't like to offend but when I mean to be offensive I mean to be offensive the person I'm talking to or about. Truthfully I and most other guys who say the same things, including Mokk, aren't necessarily trying to say anything about homosexuals.

 

[Anttaru]

Bleh, i never wanted to dig this up but since you appreaciate the insight here you go.

http://www.qcdn.org/showthread.php?t=19381