Wtf is with this CoP War/Nin & Nin/War Bullshit

Now we head to Riverine Site #AO1 and they decicde that Pld/War wont cut it for the fight and tell me to leave so they can get another Nin/War or War/Nin. WTF!! is that shit.

I'll admit, NIN/WAR or WAR/NIN is a bit more suited for CoP missions, as they do a lot of damage, but them asking you to leave the group after you went the entire way through the first one(you did great) was really out of hand.
 
Some of those mission enemies are better suited to straight tanking (both of the reduxes of the Mea boss in Promyvion-Vahzl, for example - hit too hard when they do hit, and AOE too much to maintain shadows well). Some of them are better suited to blink tanking (the reduxes of the Holla boss, for example). Some can be well-tanked with either (such as Ultima and his nasty Equalizer - a NIN can dodge that, and a PLD can shrug off the damage, even without Invincible but especially with it).

Regardless of mission, you need *some* tank, and you can then devise a strategy that works well with that tank. The reason PLDs have a harder time is that either a. people have to think of their own strategies for PLD tanks because they aren't posted all over forums or b. they involve more use of Hi-Potions than NIN strategies, and people are cheapskates. Both of which reasons, of course, deserve a highly sarcastic "oh noes".

However, assuming you're working with a group that a. has a strategic brain between the lot of them and b. is mature enough not to make a fuss about spending time, gil, and possibly exp on CoP missions (because *everyone* has to for these missions, no sense whining that you have to as well) ... then you'll be fine.

The hard part, of course, is finding mature and competent people to do CoP missions with, in the first place. The missions themselves are relatively easily compared to finding people capable of doing them. They're challenging, but not insurmountable. It's harder to get a good CoP static, than it is to do the missions with your good CoP static.

You don't need piles of RNGs and SMNs and NINs. You *do* need a balanced party (1 tank, 2 support, 3 damage, preferably no two of the same job, and the jobs you pick complement each other well). And you *do* need intelligence (for devising strategies, for executing strategies, and for quickly adapting to unexpected stuff) and determination.

Which is to say that your standard pickup party of people who know nothing about how to prepare and nothing about what to expect (and, being pickup, it's "take what you get" rather than picking jobs that complement each other), is going to have a very hard time, if it succeeds at all. If you're gonna organize CoP missions on these boards, post to organize a *static* to the lot of them, don't organize just one mission.

PLD can totally do CoP missions. Your average pickup group won't think so, but don't worry - your average pickup group can't do the missions anyway. Form a dedicated group that has sense enough to realize that a PLD tank can work (better than NIN in some cases, worse than NIN in other cases, but it can always work), and go from there.

And trust me, any group that would get to the Monarch Linn BC and *then* decide to kick their existing tank to get a different tank, is suffering enough in the intelligence department that they'll have quite the challenge when it comes to later missions. Don't be too sad that they kicked you. :P
 
I see wher your comin from Vilurum and I think your almost on the exact mind set Im on. Thx.

And as to other post of lvlin War from 37 to 40 if you would actually read I stated that War is only 30 not 37.
 
Kirayamato said:
This is a pointless topic.
It is like saying fuck everyone who says rangers are the only melees that can dmg Gods and Kirin...
Face the fact, SOME JOBS aren't meant to be great at a specific task!
So now, go cry over better issues...

SAM/RNG MNK/WHM some I can think ontop of my head.
 
Anyone who can learn 'spirit's within'?

Myself, I would be pissed. Pissed that I didn't just level Warrior, but Ninja, and Ranger to use as Thief subs. Pissed that I hear people whine whe they have more then one sub they're expected to raise.

I did however level Ranger and Warrior higher then I need to specifically for Promithia and for a paticular BCNM I like to make runs at.

You're a Paladin, so I'm sure you're used to everyone jumping over each other to get you in the group. Congratualtions, but it wouldn't KILL you to play more then one job.

I'm not saying you're wrong, it was stupid and assinine to boot you at the point you were at. However, if you don't like it, it would hardly kill you to level some other jobs for a change.

Do what you want, but if you're not playing the desired/popular job like you normally do, you're entitled not to whine.
 
No one asks paladins because 90 percent of paladins are gimped n00bs who suck at their jobs. thats why.

not because the strategy won't work, but because a lot of you suck and we don't want to party with you.
 
I do have other jobs lvl but none are disireable jobs fot the "CCookie Cutter" way people do CoP. Thus I have right to whine when it caomes to being excepted to a pt then at the last min kicked just cause someone says Nin is better when theyre not makin that much of a difference. Stop blaming it on non lvl jobs when you dont even know wha my jobb lvls are.
 
As for those jobs I have a Rng/Nin at 37 but they didnt want that either. They said they had DD cover they needed Tank htus why my Pld got kicked. Do not make comments about my job of choice or other job lvls when you dont know anything about them.
 
war/nin or nin/war is a lot easier on the white mage as a tank than a pld is.

at level 25-45 ish i would much rather have a ninja tank than a pld tank. we could argue about it all day long but as a mage i am telling you that if you want to go as a paladin you better get your own party together because yes i would kick you out if another nin or war/nin came along.

and if you're syaing, oh i have a rng and they didnt need one then stfu and find a party that does and go as rng.

smelly paladin, your job aint that great at level 30.
 
This is my experience with the promy:

Dem: Beat it with a PLD.
Mea: Beat it twice with a PLD, died the first time with war/nin and nin/war sharing hate
Holla: Beat it with a PLD, died once with a PLD

Mind you, Mea's first attempt did not failed because we did not have a PLD, something else went wrong.

Why I love having PLD? 2-hour! Quick exemple of last Mea's fight. At 50 percent, both ranger snipershot/barrage Delver. Then I use 2-hour, Delver goes for me, other Ranger uses 2-hour, Delver turns around and goes for him. PLD uses Invincible, grabs hate right back. Both Rangers SC, SMN 2-hour, dead Delver in 4 minutes. No one even used any medecines.

Oh and for those who go OMG WE DON'T HAVE A SMN WE ARE SO DEAD!!!! Except for the second Mea's win, I never had a smn with me.
 
Devastatorprime said:
We get attacked by Fomor party and i tank both the War Fomor and the Samurai Formor why you ask cause the Nin/War got beat down like a bitch and died.

Actually I solo'ed the SAM Fomor for most of the fight 'til the WAR Fomor was dead dude. I wasn't really hurting him but he could not hit me.

I agree PLD can do CoP. I had a PLD in my promies and I went as NIN which is supposed to be a no-no too.

And third... we didn't even do that CoP mission that night so get over it.
 
Oh I might be wrong but didn't you leave? I don't really remember, I wasn't paying attention and I was just along for the ride in the first place. I don't remember anyone "kicking" you though.
 
heh... war/nin, nin/war isnt the best... im pld/war and my group has made it to 6-4... only thing we've really had trouple with was diablo, and omega.
 
Yes I was kicked they told me to leave then kicked me, I did not disband I got booted. And also people stop making this out as Im saying PLD is better then NIN, cause I never stated that once so stfu. I, in all my post, clearly stated that Nin, War/Nin, and Pld can do it so please read before you post stupid shit.
 
It all hasto do with what you're fighting, really. WAR/NIN (or NIN/WAR) is just as suited to fighting some things as PLD is, but in other cases one might fair better than the other. NIN is definitely a better choice vs DRK and SAM mobs, PLD is definitely better for MNK mobs. And obviously, people favor people with Utsusemi for Aquaducts and such, since there's probably little AOE going on which means Utsusemi can be up most of the time, meaning minimal damage, meaning minimal work for the mages, meaning less downtime. Not to say PLD can't work, just, people seem to preferr NIN...it kindof how that kindof thing works. You're not gonna make a party where the DDs are a DRK, SAM and DRG and go fight skeletons. =P
 
Just about everyone that's posted has AGREED with you. You really need to read what people say, and not infer things other than the text.
 
I shouldve used to "Quote" feature cause my last post was intended for only 2 people. Onions who said I left which I didnt and the one person who was replying his opinion that he'd prefer Nin so I should get over myself cause at lvl 30 Pld isnt great. And as I stated I know this and your that guys opinion is just that his opinion so Im not gonna dipute it, but the "Get over yourself" aspect of his post is totally unessicery cause for 1: He doesn't know me at all and for 2: Ive never bad mouth Nin or War once, I have given them there just dues. Thus his post, AFTER his opinion of what he prefers in a pt, kinda annoyed me.
 
I never said you couldn't tank for them, and I specifically said they were wrong to boot you when they did. Try reading.

Also, as far as level jobs go, I knew you didn't have War/Nin leveled.

Why? Because you are here whining about no longer being the popular tank of choice.

You wouldn't be doing that if you HAD war/nin to use. You'd be using that, and you'd be the popular choice.

Finnally, I said don't whine about not being popular all of a sudden, I was in no way inconsiderate to you getting kicked like you did. As I have repeatable said, I don't think that was right of them.

Paladin isn't the preference. That is what you've spent 90% of this thread whining about. As much as you like to complain about the 'popular' 'cookie-cutter' war/nin, that's exactly what you play when you tank as a Paladin in xp parties.

So you're used to having your way, that's nice. I'm used to 'not' having my way. I'm used to palying/doing whatever the heck the pt needs me to do. I guess that's why I don't have numerous whiny threads in the flameboards like you do.

Please READ 'this' post.
 
Hey Aridith the post wasnt for you. It was for Panda and Onions so if you wouldve read the other post then mine you wouldve noticed it WAS NOT FOR YOU. You need to pay attention cause I am.
 
My opinion isn't just opinion buddy, its fact. I'm always right, and you need to come to terms with that.
 
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