You don't have to cheat to be sucessfull at end game!!!

How is it extremely useful for bard?

let's say 200 mp with Manteel, 250 mp with dalmatica.

Whenever I sing a song, my mp is taken down to 200 mp. Maybe after I swap in a dalmatica... and now I have 200/250 mp. Maybe I get a few ticks of mp off til my next song while I'm moving around, say... 5.. so I have 205 mp now. I cast a cure or something, I've profited 5 mp.

Which would be great except between songs I'll get more than 5 or so max mp with my royal cloak, making the 50 mp useless... and cutting out 50 hp from you.

Dalmatica is just a showoff item, nothing more.
 
Wouldn't it make sense to keep dalmatica on full time and macro in +int/mnd/enfeebling/wtfever as needed to maximize efficiency on mp?
 
Eulore said:
Wouldn't it make sense to keep dalmatica on full time and macro in +int/mnd/enfeebling/wtfever as needed to maximize efficiency on mp?
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Why? When you swap the dalmatica out you lose the MP it gave you.

PS: Lol @ all you showoff BLMs who nuke with Dalmatica on. Everytime I see it I'm not sure if I should give pity or anger.
 
I always hated the argument that dalmatica was there for mp. If you need mp from your body piece on either rdm or brd, you aren't doing something right. And if you're really gonna keep dalm on long enough to consume said mp, you're probably doing something even worse. It's just a fun e-peen item that impresses those who don't have it / a refresh item you don't really need cause you can just wear something else.
 
Seriously. The only thing it WAS good for was bard before manteel came out, for fast chaining those sky weapons which didn't require osode or errant body to affect.

PS: Not going to claim to know a shitload about RDM since mine is only 42... but I'd assume you can achieve hp/mp sync without spending all that gil on uncursing Dalmatica. The Tarbard for example gives you 24 MP without any -hp. Using +MP stuff without the HP when possible will net you a higher mp/hp total when converting than trying to gain as much mp as possible. Things like Tamas ring, 30 mp and no -hp help...
 
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wolfskymoon said:
ahh Enix needs to fix how things work.Like where hacking won't change anything for example.... but oooo there is WoW lol.
Magtheridon Horde! go go go
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plz no wow comparisons:shok: if i wanted to play wow system id play wow.
 
neophytal said:
its called MACROS. heard of it? a.body is EXTREMELY useful for rdm/brd.
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Dude, I macro enough shit out on my rdm as is. If losing that 1 MP a tick kills me and whomever I'm with, so be it. If we were relying on auto-refresh we suck ass and deserve to die anyway.

Eulore said:
Wouldn't it make sense to keep dalmatica on full time and macro in +int/mnd/enfeebling/wtfever as needed to maximize efficiency on mp?
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Yeah, but how often do you see a rdm or brd just standing around at full MP waiting for something to do?


I admit I would love to try out sanction refresh, rdm relic hat, dalmatica, rdm refresh, balladx2 with a gjallerhorn, and evokers roll with a smn in the party.... Not practical in the least but I still want to try it out for like one minute. >.>
 
Artem said:
Yeah, the number of people hacking is growing. I think it's because of all the retards like chasym who promote hacking, and people who go around saying that our server is behind because we don't hack. It doesn't take hacking to get ahead.
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well that might be some, I think alot has to do with SE really not doing jack to solve the rmt/boting issue. Also belive there issue about playing at a even field how do you claim in a valley of bots, bring your own bot. I dont like it but that what happens.
 
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Firestreak said:
PS: Lol @ all you showoff BLMs who nuke with Dalmatica on. Everytime I see it I'm not sure if I should give pity or anger.
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Pity and Anger pls
 
Okay sorry for thinking dalmatica + AF hat would be more effiecent while hasting/refreshing that vermillion or something.
 
Firestreak said:
PS: Lol @ all you showoff BLMs who nuke with Dalmatica on. Everytime I see it I'm not sure if I should give pity or anger.
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Pity and Anger pls
 
Damn Pauk, I havent seen u in a long time.. hope things are good, nice sig u got there, maybe I should start paying ppl to get me a ridell or sum shit, because if I even bothered to camp fafnir, i'd jus sit there, do dumb ass emotes, circle jerk a min, and keep stoneskin up. Fucking sickening, niggas need to turn that game genie shit off
 
Eulore said:
Okay sorry for thinking dalmatica + AF hat would be more effiecent while hasting/refreshing that vermillion or something.
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well if you wanted that you have duelist hat and body.
 
Calais said:
Dalmatica isn't the most useful piece of equipment. White mages wear nobles and black mages wear igqira. Bards or red mages would be able to get a little bit of use out of it, but not a whole lot. 50 MP and auto-refresh is nice, but not when you're losing 15 Enfeebling skill or 10 MND or something.
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Calais said:
Dude, I macro enough shit out on my rdm as is. If losing that 1 MP a tick kills me and whomever I'm with, so be it. If we were relying on auto-refresh we suck ass and deserve to die anyway.


Yeah, but how often do you see a rdm or brd just standing around at full MP waiting for something to do?


I admit I would love to try out sanction refresh, rdm relic hat, dalmatica, rdm refresh, balladx2 with a gjallerhorn, and evokers roll with a smn in the party.... Not practical in the least but I still want to try it out for like one minute. >.>
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Regardless of how many macros you think you have, end-game is largely about such minimal gains. 1MP per tick returns enough over time to warrant that one macro press for when you aren't casting. This, combined with the MP makes Dalmatica one of the best body pieces for both RDM and BRD.

lrn2play imo?
 
Mephosis said:
Regardless of how many macros you think you have, end-game is largely about such minimal gains. 1MP per tick returns enough over time to warrant that one macro press for when you aren't casting. This, combined with the MP makes Dalmatica one of the best body pieces for both RDM and BRD.

lrn2play imo?
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Nobody is debating that refresh when you aren't doing anything is useful. The point is 50 mp in a piece of gear you're swapping in and out. It's useful, as in just as useful as a vermy cloak, only you have to be level 73 to use it and can equip it on less jobs... and vermy cloak won't deal you 50 hp of damage every time you put it on.
 
I'm refresh bitch enough to make good use of a dalmatica on RDM. I can't think of another body peice I would wear in such a situation. Even the Magic Defense bonus comes into play there. Not everyone is at the front line bustin enfeebes and nukes. or is even in the main allience for that matter. I don't see why a peice with such strictly support role stats would get the cold shoulder from so many.

I can dig it with the complaint towards BLMs, but I rarely see it, and usually only ones with other jobs that can wear it should even have it. Nothin wrong with stunning and curing in it though.

I don't think the peice should ever be judged under the condition of using the 50 MP it adds either. Most everyone who uses one does so to help regen their MP, not cap it. Even then, it holds enough MP for both a stoneskin and a blink.
 
Firestreak said:
Nobody is debating that refresh when you aren't doing anything is useful.
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Calais said:
Dalmatica isn't the most useful piece of equipment. White mages wear nobles and black mages wear igqira. Bards or red mages would be able to get a little bit of use out of it, but not a whole lot. 50 MP and auto-refresh is nice, but not when you're losing 15 Enfeebling skill or 10 MND or something.
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good thing i need enfeebling and mnd to stand around amirite?
Firestreak said:
The point is 50 mp in a piece of gear you're swapping in and out. It's useful, as in just as useful as a vermy cloak, only you have to be level 73 to use it and can equip it on less jobs... and vermy cloak won't deal you 50 hp of damage every time you put it on.
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If you want to debate usability on multiple jobs that is another issue, but it still stands that Dalmatica is a very good piece for the two jobs mentioned at 75, I really don't care about your lower level jobs as far as end-game is concerned.

As far as Vermillion vs. Dalmatica though; Vermillion cloak takes up both body and head, Dalmatica only takes body, allowing for AF2 on head for RDM or something else (-Enmity perhaps? Crown? I never played BRD) for BRD. Please think.
 
People who downplay Dalmatica for bard and redmage, never used it, and never will have a chance of using it. Sure maybe in your EXP sessions, Dalmatica won't be useful, but in HNMs it's one of the most useful pieces for bard and rdm. Sorry but it only takes a few seconds to infeeble, and at most 30 seconds to get off two songs (if you are slow). For the next two minutes, you are doing other things and recoverying mp is great. Use the head slot for -enmity, so right there it's better than vermillion. Maybe it's not a billion times better, but it is marginally better. Better is still better.
 
Artem said:
People who downplay Dalmatica for bard and redmage, never used it, and never will have a chance of using it. Sure maybe in your EXP sessions, Dalmatica won't be useful, but in HNMs it's one of the most useful pieces for bard and rdm. Sorry but it only takes a few seconds to infeeble, and at most 30 seconds to get off two songs (if you are slow). For the next two minutes, you are doing other things and recoverying mp is great. Use the head slot for -enmity, so right there it's better than vermillion. Maybe it's not a billion times better, but it is marginally better. Better is still better.
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whoo! Are you telling me people really didn't see that Dalmatica was still useful for a BRD and RDM? hell... even in a cannon party it was usually still useful as most of the time a RDM is buffing and healing and MP kept up is goood (same with BRD). Most of the stuff which a cannon exp party fights is usually easily enfeebled anyways so don't need to really have maxed out enfeeble gear :P Dalmatica for BRD and RDM still = win
 
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