You don't have to cheat to be sucessfull at end game!!!

Odon said:
This is really true, if you accept what Chasym posted as proof of Tag using exploits, than you better sure as hell accept the chatlog of Boticles

Not like there isn't an massed amount of proof against Boticles anyway, lol50% of HQ King claims for a shell? You gotta be shittin' me.
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Ark is offering a solution. He is saying infact people are pulling numbers out
of nowhere. Chronicles even got attributed to my two HNM claims (of one
he wasn't even in zone) on the same day. But not as sexy with "Bjornar
bots" I guess. Everytime said member gets off a voke he claims because
it makes for a lot more entertainment on the flameboard. By NO means are
Perseverance claiming anymore HNMs than the next shell at camps with
the equivalent number of members and attention to first window spawns.
 
Actually your leader gave some figures about how many he has claimed, which with the nid a few nights ago bumps him up to 50% or higher.

I think I should also throw in here, I honestly don't give a shit if he bots or not, more power to him if he does.
 
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Okay, he might've been a good rdm, but apparently his views on gear aren't the greatest in the world. Let's take a look at the amazing piece of gear known as a Dalmatica, shall we?

Magic Defense Bonus+5. This MIGHT be an okay thing, but as Firestreak has stated, you're trading off 50 hp to get it. This could possibly be a bad thing. Of course with proper use of Stoneskin, you shouldn't be taking much if any magic damage anyway.

Adds 'Refresh' Effect. A lot of people tend to overhype this. If you have Dalmatica on for one whole minute straight, you've gained 20 mp. This isn't even enough for a Cure 2. The Refresh spell and/or Ballads are all you really NEED in terms of refresh. If you need that extra 20 mp per minute (especially on rdm where you have Convert) then you're doing something wrong.

Enhances 'Resist Paralyze' Effect. lol, let's keep going.

Convert HP to MP: 50. This is the one people like to argue makes this piece worthwhile. The problem with this is that every time you macro in this piece of gear, you lose 50 hp. I dunno about you, but when I macro in gear, I like to GAIN hp, not lose it. Is 1mp/tick really worth repeatedly losing 50 hp? I'd like to think not.

So once more I ask, does that Dalmatica really make rdm#1 better than rdm#2? I think not. rdms need to focus their gear on what they are there to do (refresh all mages, enfeeble, haste if needed, etc) rather than on trivial things like an extra Cure II every minute and 12 seconds (assuming they don't swap out dalmatica ever, which would be a bad thing).
 
Arkaine and I ARE the leaders.

The numbers I gave previously was for total claims including mishaps and
everything.

Jakey got last Nidhogg, it's not even funny how you guys like to construct
things.

Do you even know the way to Aery, Odon?
 
Bjornar said:
Do you even know the way to Aery, Odon?
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Considering I was there two nights ago, Yes, I do.
 
Let me ask you a question then, and answer it honestly. If it was to be made obvious (cause apparently it's obvious to you guys, even though it is to everyone else) that Chronicles or anyone else in your shell botted, would you REALLY break their pearl?

Or are you really even trying to find out if he is botting? You're talking about his claim record, but you seem to forget about that MSN chatlog.

It's easy to talk nice and everything, but there's been a lot of facts against him, for which i didn't even see him defend himself and if you guys aren't trying to find out if it's true or not, that's as good as just saying "go ahead and bot if you want"
 
Rappa said:
Okay, he might've been a good rdm, but apparently his views on gear aren't the greatest in the world. Let's take a look at the amazing piece of gear known as a Dalmatica, shall we?

Magic Defense Bonus+5. This MIGHT be an okay thing, but as Firestreak has stated, you're trading off 50 hp to get it. This could possibly be a bad thing. Of course with proper use of Stoneskin, you shouldn't be taking much if any magic damage anyway.

Adds 'Refresh' Effect. A lot of people tend to overhype this. If you have Dalmatica on for one whole minute straight, you've gained 20 mp. This isn't even enough for a Cure 2. The Refresh spell and/or Ballads are all you really NEED in terms of refresh. If you need that extra 20 mp per minute (especially on rdm where you have Convert) then you're doing something wrong.

Enhances 'Resist Paralyze' Effect. lol, let's keep going.

Convert HP to MP: 50. This is the one people like to argue makes this piece worthwhile. The problem with this is that every time you macro in this piece of gear, you lose 50 hp. I dunno about you, but when I macro in gear, I like to GAIN hp, not lose it. Is 1mp/tick really worth repeatedly losing 50 hp? I'd like to think not.

So once more I ask, does that Dalmatica really make rdm#1 better than rdm#2? I think not. rdms need to focus their gear on what they are there to do (refresh all mages, enfeeble, haste if needed, etc) rather than on trivial things like an extra Cure II every minute and 12 seconds (assuming they don't swap out dalmatica ever, which would be a bad thing).
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Yes, it makes RDM#1 better than #2. How much? I can't answer that for you. Many people may consider it a luxury piece, whether they're able to obtain it or not and that is up to them but the fact stands that it is better, even if it is marginally. Not to be cliché, but every little bit counts. The effects may not be as noticeable as say the spell Refresh but it certainly adds up.

I agree that RDMs do need to focus their gear, and the Dalmatica is one addition to the many gear sets they require and a particularly useful one at that. It is not necessary to switch out during Refresh or Haste if the RDM has any competence (which for this, we will assume is present) and can be kept on during Cures, etc. I am not saying that Dalmatica is the best RDM body and nor have I ever said this, in fact when I played I sought after W.body over it though this was more due to preference.

Regardless, this is somewhat irrelevant to the topic at hand so please PM me if you want to discuss the workings of such things.
 
Aeron said:
Let me ask you a question then, and answer it honestly. If it was to be made obvious (cause apparently it's obvious to you guys, even though it is to everyone else) that Chronicles or anyone else in your shell botted, would you REALLY break their pearl?

Or are you really even trying to find out if he is botting? You're talking about his claim record, but you seem to forget about that MSN chatlog.

It's easy to talk nice and everything, but there's been a lot of facts against him, for which i didn't even see him defend himself and if you guys aren't trying to find out if it's true or not, that's as good as just saying "go ahead and bot if you want"
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Ok, I am really getting sick of hearig about how a MSN chatlog is absolute proof that Chronicles or even Taginreth botted <excpet that Tag admitted it being him>. Can anyone make a single legit claim and prove from ISP numbers that it was infact Chronicles on that MSN chatlog. Can you prove that it wasn't Cix and Necrosis chatting trying to make our shell look bad, something they both have been doing since the day Necro was removed from the shell?

Someone give me absolute proof it was Chronicles, because making a fake MSN chatlogg is way too easy to do. Look at the past of the person who made it, of Necrosis. He is a known botter, and he is someone who has talked shit about our shell since the day he was kicked, he has had very strong feelings about us, and they weren't about being kind to us. I would not put it past Cix and Necro to set up someone for this.

http://static.flickr.com/114/297647336_cb0741e59a_o.png

There's a link to a Screenshot of a Nidhogg Chronicles supposedly got the initial claim on. Wait what is that? Bjornar got provoke off before Chronicles did? Proposterous! However, with this crowd, as you see Kisada doing without even knowing Chronicled didn't claim, he is blaming Chronicles for claiming that Nidhogg. Did he get a Provoke off? Of course he did, Bjornar claimed it, and Chronicles was trying to claim it as well, so yes he's spamming voke on a Target that was already claimed by his alliance so yes he vokes will go off. This has happened more then once, and yet he gets blamed for it. The amount of trouble you people go through just to try and put us down is very sad to say the least. I'm done posting about this topic unless someone can actually come up with some legit proof about Chronicles botting.
 
What makes a great RDM is skill not gear, seriously... anyone can get gear, not everyone knows how to play.
 
Mirewen said:
What makes a great RDM is skill not gear, seriously... anyone can get gear, not everyone knows how to play.
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Yes, but when you reach the apex of how skillful a player can be, there's only so much you can do to be great skillwise, that's when gear seperates the good from the great. Or the great from the elite, however you wish to break it down.
 
I was just saying it's overrated not that it's useless. Like many endgame pieces, it has value, but it's an extremely marginal gain when you focus on the use you'll have for it. People overvaluing it cause it to be overused by people who don't analyze their gear swaps as carefully as others and simply follow the trend and wear what's percieved as the best piece of gear.

Someone saying a linkshell is more successful by producing more dalmaticas is to me a sign of a person who overvalues a very minimal piece of gear that has an outrageous price tag unless there's nothing else for your RDM you need to spend gil on.

All in all, can use be found for it, of course. Can you compare it to the other bodies? Not even close. D body is great for TPing in always... period. E Body is awesome, period. M body is awesome, period. Dalmatica is a situational piece you might find use for between casts if you have AF2 head, or if you're standing around with full MP.

It's just not what it's hyped to be. I'm not saying it totally sucks and is never useful... just not really something I think a LS should brag about.
 
Aeron said:
Let me ask you a question then, and answer it honestly. If it was to be made obvious (cause apparently it's obvious to you guys, even though it is to everyone else) that Chronicles or anyone else in your shell botted, would you REALLY break their pearl?

Or are you really even trying to find out if he is botting? You're talking about his claim record, but you seem to forget about that MSN chatlog.

It's easy to talk nice and everything, but there's been a lot of facts against him, for which i didn't even see him defend himself and if you guys aren't trying to find out if it's true or not, that's as good as just saying "go ahead and bot if you want"
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Did you investigate when you got your first claim in Aery (Nidhogg none
-the-less)? Were you accused of botting? I have personally claimed more
HNMs than CK combined. I know I don't bot. I have some experience for sure.
As I explained, for the last time, the accused person is not even our
top claimer. Also given the source of the original flame against the shell
why would anyone even put faith into it.

As far as my actions regarding botters in our shell, I'm sure it as strict as it
is in yours. I have gotten rid of alledged botters before. I'm sure Anarean
will be as strict. Fact of the matter, I have more faith in my LS members than
fictional numbers and booted ex-members. Having said that I could throw
around numbers far more convincingly of alledged botters from others shell
than any of you obviously can.

If I look at a this alledged "super hacker" in another thread here, most of the
people cheating have hardly achieved anything in end-game. I take
comfort in that.

After all
Jormungand and Vrtra are always up if you want a go.
 
Not to be a "negative nancy" blaze since you're a buddy and all, but Chronicles was still 2nd voke to go off in that SS. You don't have to be the 1st claim every single time to arise suspicion. How about the times he didn't claim? Was he 2nd? 3rd? It's still suspicious after a while, it's just harder to see when they are in your ls and you don't wanna see it.

Now I can't speak for anyone else, but when I'm in the Aery and Fafhogg doesn't pop REALLY close to my toon, he just doesn't show up on my screen at all, so I'm just spamming thin air while every else's stuff goes off. Hell even when he does show up on my screen he usually disappears if I take my target off him to cure someone or whatever. Even when we're fighting him half the time I can't see him. Maybe my game just sucks, but I hear this happens to a lot of people. If you have someone whose spells and abilities seem to go off on EVERY Fafhogg, that just rings suspicion to me.
 
Just because you're #1 on the list doesn't automatically = claim. Whoever has the first blood, has claimed first. Your screenshot doesn't show who Nidhogg is attacking FIRST, so therefore it is void.
 
Dowzer said:
Just because you're #1 on the list doesn't automatically = claim. Whoever has the first blood, has claimed first. Your screenshot doesn't show who Nidhogg is attacking FIRST, so therefore it is void.
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aye, sometimes there's lag (especially in dragon's aery) and things don't exactly work up right in chatlogs. *shrugs* I agree the evidence against chronicles isn't enoughto prove guilty but it should raise enough eyebrows of the leaders to investigate just to make sure. Or at least just keeping an eye out is all.
 
Honestly doubt any shell would kick a member for getting too many claims. Especially a member who already has E Body and Ridill and therefore doesn't have personal motivation. I mean, if any of you were going to damage your reputation to claim a NM, would you do it on a mob you already have gear from?
 
Chronicles doesn't have Ridill yet, just every other melee abj that faf/nid drops. Wouldn't be surprised to see that claim rate drop after he gets their first ridill like he almost guaranteed will. :P
 
Bjornar said:
Did you investigate when you got your first claim in Aery (Nidhogg none
-the-less)? Were you accused of botting? I have personally claimed more
HNMs than CK combined. I know I don't bot. I have some experience for sure.
As I explained, for the last time, the accused person is not even our
top claimer. Also given the source of the original flame against the shell
why would anyone even put faith into it.

As far as my actions regarding botters in our shell, I'm sure it as strict as it
is in yours. I have gotten rid of alledged botters before. I'm sure Anarean
will be as strict. Fact of the matter, I have more faith in my LS members than
fictional numbers and booted ex-members. Having said that I could throw
around numbers far more convincingly of alledged botters from others shell
than any of you obviously can.

If I look at a this alledged "super hacker" in another thread here, most of the
people cheating have hardly achieved anything in end-game. I take
comfort in that.

After all
Jormungand and Vrtra are always up if you want a go.
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If we were accused of botting when we claimed Nidhogg? Yes, by a member of your shell actually. Did we investigate? No, it's one freaking claim, and by my best friend in the game over that. I know he doesn't bot, and the rest of the shell does. However, if a screenshot was posted of him having a conversation about bots, or if he was to claim Fafnir so often, then you can be sure as hell that we would look into it. Why? Cause we don't just keep our eyes closed and profit of others cheating, as other shells do. Am I accusing you guys of doing so? Nop, I have no proof. But everything is going against Chronicles and you guys don't seem to be doing shit about it.

It's also funny how you get all defensive after a single question.

And if your LS is so clean and you supposedly have nothing to feel guilty about, why do i have friends in there who tell me they can't stand it and that are ashamed to be associated with what's happening in your shell?
 
Reread that long post I made (which got buried by the discussion about Dalmatica), the ending part if nothing else. This is what we are offering. We are proposing to start this initiative to keep track of who claims over a period of time. 2 screenshots doesnt not prove anything much.

Post your unfiltered screenshots of claims, consolidate this data and lets see what pops up. We are more than happy to provide ours, just to, at the very least, stop people from popping numbers out their ass.

On us suspecting Chronicles of botting after that wiki post, of cos we did. There is no smoke without fire. Tells were sent, actions were taken. But in the end, it is not possible to 100% prove that he botted, unless he blatantly POS around and stuff. Again, read what I posted. It is his words against someone who has 0 credibility to me.
 
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