You're gone, good, go away

If you use windower with absolutely no plug-ins I'd agree you were not getting an advantage and it would be just like using SE's windower. The minute you add in a plug-in or their large gear swamping macro options-- YOU are gaining an ADVANTAGE that is against ToS.
Click to expand...
Give me a break. Not wanting "equipment changed." spam on SAM isn't cheating -- it's called "WHY THE FUCK DID SE MAKE THAT MESSAGE TO BEGIN WITH"
 
Sandria said:
I realize everything I just said; and dare I say it everything I said is fact. I, personally, have never paid for game currency in all the years I've been gaming. I will admit, I was some what considering the notion had I not been able to get my character back. Stone me for thinking about it if you wish, but you'd have to stone all the people who lost their accounts and picked up another lvl 75 character to play with. Now, I honestly doubt that I would have gone with it because I am very apprehensive about giving out credit card info. Now lets follow this example.. and say would it be Okay as long as I bought the gil from a real player who never actually cheated? At that point could we compare it to me trading gil from my account to a new account? Naturally in that sittuation I'd only be buying items that I had at a previous time aquired legitimitly?

Do I agree with the people whom I mentioned spent so much money? Heck no, I would have much rather spent the money in a more constructive manor. Do I know their reasons for buying? Yes. That's the difference.

I will debate very strongly that it is just as hard now, if not more so, for someone to start playing the game than when RMT had a large influence in the game. Those who are buying the gil are also spending it.. (or what other reason would they be buying?) They're buying things you are selling and chances are that they're willing to pay more.

Let's subtract those RMT who have hacked accounts, used illegal tactics to claim monsters to aquire gil, would you be then okay with gilbuying/selling? Basically what I was agreeing to was the person who said they were against the hacking, illegal tactics, etc. To say one triggers the other is not nessessarily true. It's basically like the annalogy of hot in hell... I'd list it like so..

Hacking accounts -> Botting NMs -> Flee tools (but some might argue that using the flee tool is like windower and doesnt harm anyone else unless their is a voke attached to it) -> Gilbuying -> Then windower..

If you use windower with absolutely no plug-ins I'd agree you were not getting an advantage and it would be just like using SE's windower. The minute you add in a plug-in or their large gear swamping macro options-- YOU are gaining an ADVANTAGE that is against ToS. You are still -cheating-. Two-boxing is cheating, I'm not going to breath down someone's neck tho and tell them zomg, go to hell, you windower cheating asshat... Majority of us do cheat in some way or another. Most of us break some law in life too, but its hard to compare jay-walking to murder but they're both still a crime.
Click to expand...

im quoting this because apparently we think alike and there is no need for me to repeat what has been said.
 
Can anyone enlighten to me why people are still pissing and moaning about windower?

Anybody?

No?

Must be because people are about THREE YEARS TOO LATE
 
Complaining about windower happens cause when someone admits to buying gil/botting/hacking w/e and the qcdn mob swarms them, there are always a few people who like to point fingers and say "Your no better, windower cheater".

But as keeps being said, windower mainly just allows someone access to other computer functions while playing the game and a lot of the time the "advantage" of plugins is just for laziness. There is a line between using windower and cheating with windower. There is also a difference between using bots/hacks for fun and using them for cheating, the line is just much thiner.

Who cares what the terms of play say...its just like laws in real life. Don't blindly follow the rules of those in power, make up your own mind on whats right and wrong. Politicians/leaders are definately not the hight of ethical endearment, and they do not know better than you or I.

Gil buying screws everyone over no matter what due to RMT ingame activities, this is why it's seen as greatly taboo.
 
Gil-buying I can understand, since I hate that shit too ... but people complaining about windower just pisses me off because most of them label everyone who uses windower, regardless of whether or not they use plugins or not, a cheater.
 
Flag said:
Gil-buying I can understand, since I hate that shit too ... but people complaining about windower just pisses me off because most of them label everyone who uses windower, regardless of whether or not they use plugins or not, a cheater.
Click to expand...
Everyone uses windower.

I think the big thing about windower is that with the plug-ins its about as close to botting/hacking as you can get without circumventing game mechanics. I admit that a plugin telling you distance, time remaining on buffs, your party member's tp, and so isn't bad in itself but SE designed it to not be so easy to play the game in those aspects. I say fuck SE and use all the plug-ins I want, but some people think "this is the way is supposed to be so I'm supposed to do it this way."
 
Windower and Plug-ins like Distance and Recast and the ambient lighting are nice to have. If SE would have thought of it themselves along time ago then we wouldn't be having this problem.

Just look how long it took for them to put Nomad Moogles in Selbina and Mhara.
 
I remember someone on these boards commenting on how funny it was that with each new plugin that comes out for windower, the more things the game should have on it's own.
 
Flag said:
Can anyone enlighten to me why people are still pissing and moaning about windower?

Anybody?

No?

Must be because people are about THREE YEARS TOO LATE
Click to expand...
Basicly this is why

There 4 types of people in this world

The Perfects - Those that will not download any 3rd party program not even if it does not hurt anyone. Normal case is they still want to use it but there morals don't allow it. So they fight about it.

Then there the I'm A Angel group - these are the people who use windower and other 3rd party programs but deny that there cheats to make them feel all warm and fuzzy in the morning.

Then there is the As Long as it Don't Hurt Anyone Group- these are people that use windower and other self oriented plug-in as long as it does not hurt anyone. They amit though it is a cheat and will say it a cheat. Most are avicates that the changes should be permanet. (my goup)

Final group is the blainted cheats - they will use anything to get the upper hand some hide the fact other are forthcoming about it. They don't care about anyone but themselves and to win.


That is it in a nut shell.
 
hellstorm said:
Basicly this is why

There 4 types of people in this world

The Perfects - Those that will not download any 3rd party program not even if it does not hurt anyone. Normal case is they still want to use it but there morals don't allow it. So they fight about it.

Then there the I'm A Angel group - these are the people who use windower and other 3rd party programs but deny that there cheats to make them feel all warm and fuzzy in the morning.

Then there is the As Long as it Don't Hurt Anyone Group- these are people that use windower and other self oriented plug-in as long as it does not hurt anyone. They amit though it is a cheat and will say it a cheat. Most are avicates that the changes should be permanet. (my goup)

Final group is the blainted cheats - they will use anything to get the upper hand some hide the fact other are forthcoming about it. They don't care about anyone but themselves and to win.


That is it in a nut shell.
Click to expand...

You kinda keep repeating yourself <,<
 
hellstorm said:
Basicly this is why

There 4 types of people in this world

The Perfects - Those that will not download any 3rd party program not even if it does not hurt anyone. Normal case is they still want to use it but there morals don't allow it. So they fight about it.

Then there the I'm A Angel group - these are the people who use windower and other 3rd party programs but deny that there cheats to make them feel all warm and fuzzy in the morning.

Then there is the As Long as it Don't Hurt Anyone Group- these are people that use windower and other self oriented plug-in as long as it does not hurt anyone. They amit though it is a cheat and will say it a cheat. Most are avicates that the changes should be permanet. (my goup)

Final group is the blainted cheats - they will use anything to get the upper hand some hide the fact other are forthcoming about it. They don't care about anyone but themselves and to win.


That is it in a nut shell.
Click to expand...

In the same group as Hells myself, but don't really know why people still bitch about people who use windower and plug-ins with windower. I'm sure more than 50% of this game uses it nowadays.
 
Justinp said:
In the same group as Hells myself, but don't really know why people still bitch about people.
Click to expand...

Had to adjust your quote a bit, and mention that Your sig is awesome. For the record I don't care that people use windower. But, Flag, admit it to yourself just once that you're still cheating, lol. Regardless if it's a socially acceptable cheat. Windower itself admits it, you should, too. :P Absolutely every excuse to why you use windower is the exact same reasons that people who buy currency use. It's the absolute same mentality. The only difference is we as a community said "We like windower, so windower is Ok!" But, you're right about the 3 years.. cus 3 years people would have freaked out about the time-stamp plug-in and now people cannot play without it and are very open about it on the boards.

Totally agree Hell, and its #3 as well.

Three years from now the arguement will be "Zomg, are we still moaning about gilbuyers and hackers...." and with that Tata.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JP
Sandria said:
Had to adjust your quote a bit, and mention that Your sig is awesome. For the record I don't care that people use windower. But, Flag, admit it to yourself just once that you're still cheating, lol. Regardless if it's a socially acceptable cheat. Windower itself admits it, you should, too. :P Absolutely every excuse to why you use windower is the exact same reasons that people who buy currency use. It's the absolute same mentality. The only difference is we as a community said "We like windower, so windower is Ok!" But, you're right about the 3 years.. cus 3 years people would have freaked out about the time-stamp plug-in and now people cannot play without it and are very open about it on the boards.

Totally agree Hell, and its #3 as well.

Three years from now the arguement will be "Zomg, are we still moaning about gilbuyers and hackers...." and with that Tata.
Click to expand...
One thing differs from windower and buying gil. Windower developers do not profit from what they make. Gil sellers do and the way the obtain the gil is in most cases by cheating or stealing. I can understand why you want to buy gil and I've said many times tha money flow has always been a issue in ffxi. If they obtain the money fairly would not have a issue with it but that not normally the case.

As for repeating myself read them carfully they differ.
 
Nyett said:
Who cares what the terms of play say...its just like laws in real life. Don't blindly follow the rules of those in power, make up your own mind on whats right and wrong. Politicians/leaders are definately not the hight of ethical endearment, and they do not know better than you or I.
Click to expand...
Good then you tell the nice police officer that pulls you over for speeding that he dont know better than you, and see how far you get along. :)

Sorry but real life cheating dont work either. Maybe those Politicians/leaders are not always right but they make the rules and if you cross them expect to be punished. No game-sharks gonna save you from jail.
 
Jeska said:
Good then you tell the nice police officer that pulls you over for speeding that he dont know better than you, and see how far you get along. :)
Click to expand...

Police enforce the rules, morons make them. A lot of the time a cop won't ticket cause they know the rules aren't black and white. I have friends who are cops so I can say with confidence that they may have the power to write tickets and take my money, but they do not necessarily know better than me. Politicians make the rules and are dirty selfish pigs.

Laws are made to ensure people do the "right thing" and keep us sheep in line, they aren't necessary if people always did what the right thing is. Problem with our society is we are either to ignorant to know whats right, too stupid to figure it out, too lazy to care or too selfish to do it.

Anyway....... getting off track here.
 
General Kaku's mom.
 
i didnt read every post of this thread, but i myself and many others have left for these reasons in this picture..

ffxiplay.jpg


but it really came down to being just:

HACK SLASH HACK SLASH HACK SLASH LEVEL UP!! HACK SLASH HACK SLASH HACK SLASH LEVEL UP!! HACK SLASH...

Repeat until desired level of nerdiness is achieved.

I understand the whole social part, but its like fucking leasing a car. You pay and pay for god knows how many months, in the end you get what, fucking nothing!

but then again, its better than spending $15.00 every half-hour at a bar if it keeps you entertained (which i do nowadays).. and for this reason and this reason only i kept playing.. it was cheap entertainment and the game never ends.. lol

and sorry for just appearing out of nowhere.. and hello all for those of you who remember me!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top