Another Crappy RDM Topic

Zaus said:
as far as i know a blu can give itself auto-refresh after useing a series spells in a certain order and combo also they can get MAB and other stats from certain spell combos

Yes, auto refresh, clear mind and conserve MP can all be obtained from spells.

However

what does that have to do with the topic? o.O;
 
i think he was referring to the refresh order

yes they can but it takes quite a bit of space to make that possible

and its just 1mp a tick which helps but is just ok and since they use more mp and with a rdm based pool count I'd have to bump them up on the refresh order.
 
Zaus said:
as far as i know a blu can give itself auto-refresh after useing a series spells in a certain order and combo also they can get MAB and other stats from certain spell combos
Did you know that Dark Knights can use Great Swords?
 
Alyada said:
I never, ever, ever had a refresh order. I just went down my PT list. I would refresh me, and then just go down the list. Everyone would be covered and I didn't have to remember who was who in the PT.

I just used the F2-6 keys to select person below me with an MP gage (unless it was a DRK and they sucked, in which case they always had MP).

... And the occasional MNK.
 
Kelyon said:
Did you know that Dark Knights can use Great Swords?
A more accurate way to make fun of him is "Did you know that pld&drk can get auto refresh from Parade gorget?
 
Khidir said:
i think he was referring to the refresh order

yes they can but it takes quite a bit of space to make that possible

and its just 1mp a tick which helps but is just ok and since they use more mp and with a rdm based pool count I'd have to bump them up on the refresh order.

Well, being a 75 BLU, I'll tell you right now that auto refresh is pretty much a must. I never go out as BLU without auto refresh and conserve MP set. You have no reason not to set them. 1 conserve MP trait costs as little as 4 points, and auto refresh as little as 9. That still gives you 32 points so spend on DD spells and stat boosts.
 
Auto-Refresh is slightly useful but doesn't at all mean the job should get lower priority on Refresh. From what I've seen, the Auto-Refresh jobs are the ones that need Refresh the -most-, really...
(though I'd still Refresh the healer before the BLU. =/)
 
reread it the last part I wasnt inferring that they get lower rather the opposite as in above blm in refreshing
 
Uzor said:
what does that have to do with the topic? o.O;

Well...What does anything in this thread have to do with the main topic?

Think about it.
 
romperstomper said:
This has to be said. Journeybell worse fucking RDM of all time.

Well, I wasn't going to name names, but that was one of the RDM I was talking about. She was 70 nearly five months ago, she's still 70 now. That person might suffer from video card problems, or she just might have the IQ of a glass of water.

Oh, and since we're on the subject of shitty Elvaan female RDMs, add Elvania to the list. Lv 68 or so, I've had two PTs with her and she's been horrid in both. Warped on the PT after she died to an imp that popped nearby her, which linked to us and the other two mobs we were fighting.

Pro tip Elvania: when an IT mob spawns nearby you, move.
 
Why is it all the elvaan females end up playing rdm? When are they going to accept they can never be as sexy as Jender and myself? :bb:
 
jamal said:
Dia III is unneeded, as is the additional mage. Dia III is a stronger dia effect, but never will make up for another DD in a cannon. The main purpose of a Dia III effect is for an HNM that may need to be slept imo, as it wears off in 30 seconds every time.
The North side in Mamool is where we hit our largest chain with a WHM/BRD combo, everyone seems to "think" they can party there, so its always used...no matter what the party setup. Just because you "think" you're 'tearing' through the mobs doesn't mean you should be using that camp. Its similar to pre-ToA when some people 'thought' they could properly use the Aura weapon camp...
Para/Slow II are a waste in a cannon, if you're using these and they're beneficial then the mob isn't being killed quickly enough, and as I said, you should have the mage slot filled with another DD.
When so a rdm can do the job better then a whm for simple fact that a whm has to rest and rdm does not. Cure V is overkill in a dd cannon and you get divine veil what every 8min? the reason the 2 mage/ 3 dd/ 1brd work so well because each can take care the dd so the dd all have haste and para when they need
 
hellstorm said:
When so a rdm can do the job better then a whm for simple fact that a whm has to rest and rdm does not. Cure V is overkill in a dd cannon and you get divine veil what every 8min? the reason the 2 mage/ 3 dd/ 1brd work so well because each can take care the dd so the dd all have haste and para when they need

I can haste all melees solo. Don't need a second mage to haste people =/
 
hellstorm said:
When so a rdm can do the job better then a whm for simple fact that a whm has to rest and rdm does not. Cure V is overkill in a dd cannon and you get divine veil what every 8min? the reason the 2 mage/ 3 dd/ 1brd work so well because each can take care the dd so the dd all have haste and para when they need
I can call what mobs you will lose your chain on with that setup. The THF and MNK/NIN mobs have high evasion, and with 3 melee you're asking to lose your chain...I've seen it happen with 3 elite melee. If you're only gonna use 3 melee, then use 2 brds, don't have 2 healers.
I said both jobs CAN do it, its just easier for WHM...RDMs that are with my cannons run out of mp MUCH more often then WHMs.
I already said hell that Divine Veil is a 10 minute recast, but it saves chains. You're fighting wyverns and paralyze hits everyone @75% HP, you're SoL. A WHM also enables BRDs to sub rdm, which cuts their cast time even more.
Having 2 Healers in a party will NEVER enable quicker kills then another melee, how can you argue that?
Also, as Uzor pointed out earlier, don't forget the Buffs that WHM gives are much more mp efficient AND stronger then a RDMs buffs. If you don't know why this would matter, then don't argue anymore. I know RDM CAN land PRO/SHELL IV on everyone, but the mp spent on it while keeping up with other buffs and cures drains MP quickly...
RDM CAN'T SUB BLM, RDM CAN'T SUB BLM. RDM CAN'T SUB BLM. Read my posts please. When you're spam casting spells, Conserve MP is HUGE.
Cure V is NEVER overkill, read when I said to use it. You fight a BLM mob that opens up Diaga II before silence hits (since you debuff the mobs), then rushing drubs 10 seconds later...you're gonna need a Big cure. A THF mob triple attacks, then does the dancing edge type move right afterwards...LIKE I SAID...2x's Cure IV is a loss of mp and time you could be resting. A WHM resting ISN'T a waste of time, its good play...Resting 1 tick here and there to keep your MP up isn't a waste by any means, I'm not saying full heal when I say "rest"...
Will, it wasn't a bash on you, you've admitted how hard you have to work to keep up sometimes, rappa doesn't and rarely drops below 600 mp lol ;;
Please, read the posts in their entirety, I'm tired of explaining things like you're a kindergartener (edit: I meant this to Hellstorm not you will lol)
 
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Uzor said:
I can haste all melees solo. Don't need a second mage to haste people =/
exactly lol >.>
 
Hellstorm, have you ever pted in the new areas? Mobs aren't alive long enough to have debuffs do anything. Chain 5 is a thing of the past now. I personally get chain 40+ in that Mamool area.

All a Rdm and whm together do is make sure the other doesn't fuck up in healing.

Haste and Regen beat anything a Rdm can do Pt wise. Refresh is nice but doesn't do much IMO. I rarely need to rest if i have smart melees. All i do is Haste and Regen. With a 2 tick refresh(I'm sorry but i just don't think +1 mp a tick is better then Conserve Mp in pts.) I can keep everyone at 95% hp with 0 down time.
 
Myrrh said:
Hellstorm, have you ever pted in the new areas? Mobs aren't alive long enough to have debuffs do anything. Chain 5 is a thing of the past now. I personally get chain 40+ in that Mamool area.

All a Rdm and whm together do is make sure the other doesn't fuck up in healing.

Haste and Regen beat anything a Rdm can do Pt wise. Refresh is nice but doesn't do much IMO. I rarely need to rest if i have smart melees. All i do is Haste and Regen. With a 2 tick refresh(I'm sorry but i just don't think +1 mp a tick is better then Conserve Mp in pts.) I can keep everyone at 95% hp with 0 down time.

It's ironic, really. From 10-70 you'll very, very rarely find a RDM who properly debuffs, then post-70 most all cannons RDMs you find do debuff when it's just a waste of MP.
 
Fellina said:
Why is it all the elvaan females end up playing rdm? When are they going to accept they can never be as sexy as Jender and myself? :bb:

I can't say never partied with you, but Dudika I can say right now is an amazing RDM. One of the best I have ever partied with and I am not saying this because he is my friend he is just good at the job.
 
Zura said:
Well, I wasn't going to name names, but that was one of the RDM I was talking about. She was 70 nearly five months ago, she's still 70 now. That person might suffer from video card problems, or she just might have the IQ of a glass of water.

Oh, and since we're on the subject of shitty Elvaan female RDMs, add Elvania to the list. Lv 68 or so, I've had two PTs with her and she's been horrid in both. Warped on the PT after she died to an imp that popped nearby her, which linked to us and the other two mobs we were fighting.

Pro tip Elvania: when an IT mob spawns nearby you, move.

Wow glad I never partied with Elvania. Add Khmerboy to the list he wasn't too great. The funny part is I believe I had Isollde when she was leveling her RDM come and replace him. Could have been another friend of mine, but I know that she was better than Khmerboy ten fold. Khmerboy just didn't cut it down and was like Journeybell didn't know what refresh/haste cycle was. That is another thing I don't quite get either why doesn't the RDM just haste me when I get refresh?
 
Oh, I never said I was a good red mage, I just said I was sexy. :nyam:

Seriously though, I just did my job and didn't get any real complaints. I'm probably rusty as hell nowadays, since I only dust off rdm for dynamis and ls events, and occasional refresh whore duty in manaburn. I like to think that I did well back in the day (pre-TAU) but of course it's all subjective. Plus things are so different in the new zones now that it's almost like playing a whole new job.
 
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