Bible Thumpers

I love you Wink. Seriously.

Plus you complain about men who have sex, mannnnnnnnny women enjoy the same thing, whether with a man or another woman still.

Your reasons for hatred are silly.
 
Winklewil said:
Well, I had decided that my previous post in this thread would be my last, as Bigboy and I were just going in circles. I'm sure he feels the same; we said all we could say, and were getting nowhere.


But, Jesus Christ ... It's not that I'm not glad that it isn't back-and-forth posts of the same two arguments anymore, but it has now really derailed into something far worse.

I weep for the future.

I can't restrain from responding to a couple of things:


Your thinking on this is so bloody Back-asswards, it makes me woozy. I understand that "God exists" is a given to your state of mind, but to someone with a little doubt on the subject, it would make a lot more sense to say that most religious people can't really give a "valid" reason for believing in God. That is to say, other than that they were told so all their life that he/she/it is there. You've literally stated things in the exact opposite way than they really are: you've shifted the burden of proof from the religious to prove that God exists, onto those that doubt to prove that he doesn't exist.

Any good debater can tell you that the burden of proof always lies with the person making the claim. It is never with those who doubt your claim to prove that it is NOT true.

The ones who don't really "care" one way or the other are more accurately described as agnostic. Atheism, by definition, is a firm disbelief in any supreme being.




Well, if the basis of your "hate" (your word, not mine) isn't religious, I really don't understand it. I've never heard a non-religious explanation for why homosexuality is 'wrong,' at least not one that holds up under any sort of scrutiny. Is it even possible to explain why something that doesn't hurt anyone else is morally wrong without some sort of religious dictation?

I mean, universal morality is understandable by all, on a basis of logical reasoning, because it is easy to find victims in immoral acts that everyone agrees on. Theft, murder, rape, deception, fraud ... these can all be said to be "immoral" without needing the "because God said so" explanation.

Things like "don't masturbate" or "don't be gay," on the other hand, have only ever been pointed to as immoral based on religious views. You can't explain those to someone who doesn't believe in your religion; thus, I've never really seen the conviction that they're wrong exist separately from it.

"Nasty" and "wrong"? Are you saying it's wrong because it's NASTY? I mean, I can't really claim a great love for onions, either, but I don't literally HATE people who eat them. I don't have to project my sickening dislike of doing something myself on to the people that do it. Why do you?
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Let me tell you why you don't understand, Ill bet you $10 on paypal ur over the age of 35. amirite?
Being gay is 100% wrong, Im a senior in high school, I've met about 2-3 gay people, think they were made fun of? Of course, I made fun of them. Seriously, get a girlfriend.

Btw, im not going to read all that, I dont spend 30 min writing/reading posts, Im not that into the internet u know.
 
And for the last time, I am a Catholic but im not religiously obsessed. I go to Church on Easter and Christmas, and theres nothing wrong with masturbation as long as you're not watching gay secks and beating it. Every guy has masturbated before, I guess its morally wrong, but everyone does it. Theres nothing to be ashamed of. But if you're gay, you should be ashamed of yourself.
 
Bigboy said:
That and it doesn't take a genius to figure out every man, reguardless of sexual orientation, can enjoy a god blow job. Everyone has a mouth.
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Thats just nasty.
 
Omniscientx said:
Let me tell you why you don't understand, Ill bet you $10 on paypal ur over the age of 35. amirite?
Being gay is 100% wrong, Im a senior in high school, I've met about 2-3 gay people, think they were made fun of? Of course, I made fun of them. Seriously, get a girlfriend.

Btw, im not going to read all that, I dont spend 30 min writing/reading posts, Im not that into the internet u know.
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You lose the bet that I didn't accept in the first place. I just turned 24 last month. Coherence and an attention span greater than ten seconds doesn't necessarily indicate someone approaching middle years. You make a lot of assumptions.

That thing took me perhaps five to seven minutes to write. I can read it in about one minute. I understand you're in high school, but if you can't handle seven paragraphs without half an hour to devote to the task, I truly feel sorry for you.



I'm also sorry you didn't grant me the respect of reading my points, before deciding that you needed to get yet another word in. I was very curious to hear your response to the second one.

That is to say, unless your confusing assertion that masturbation is nothing to be ashamed of, but homosexuality is ... WAS your response. I think I realize now why I can't understand your reasoning. It's because you're not giving any.

Everyone reacts and forms opinions based on knee-jerk, emotional reactions. Most people, however, at least try to apply the emotion to some form of logical thought in order to explain why they feel that way to THEMSELVES, if nobody else.
 
Omniscientx said:
if you're gay, you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Religional hypocrisy at its finest all, enjoy the clowns!
 
Strid said:
Religional hypocrisy at its finest all, enjoy the clowns!
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it has nothing to do with religion, can you please realize that?
Its MY opinion thats its wrong, I dont base how I live my live by the Bible.
And do you know what hypocrisy means? How was I being a hypocrite?
 
Omniscientx said:
it has nothing to do with religion, can you please realize that?
Its MY opinion thats its wrong, I dont base how I live my live by the Bible.
And do you know what hypocrisy means? How was I being a hypocrite?
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My question, to over-simplify it into a one-liner you will actually read, is:

If your "opinion" doesn't have a basis in religion, what IS it based on? You can't have an opinion with absolutely no thought or reason behind whatsoever ... at least, you can't come and ARGUE about it if it doesn't.
 
Winklewil said:
My question, to over-simplify it into a one-liner you will actually read, is:

If your "opinion" doesn't have a basis in religion, what IS it based on? You can't have an opinion with absolutely no thought or reason behind whatsoever ... at least, you can't come and ARGUE about it if it doesn't.
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You got way deep into this, I said I hate fags. Meaning I hate people who are overly fruity and wear tight as clothes and just let everyone know they are the gayest thing on Earth. If you're gay, keep it to yourself, and nobody will bother you. Act normal, wear normal clothes, stop wearing pink Abercrombie shirts with jeans from the Womens isle. THAT is the basis of my thinking.
 
Now just for something to talk about, why should gay marriages be right? Why should gay people be considered normal?
 
Omniscientx said:
You got way deep into this, I said I hate fags. Meaning I hate people who are overly fruity and wear tight as clothes and just let everyone know they are the gayest thing on Earth. If you're gay, keep it to yourself, and nobody will bother you. Act normal, wear normal clothes, stop wearing pink Abercrombie shirts with jeans from the Womens isle. THAT is the basis of my thinking.
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Not every gay motherfucker is a fruity faggot.

In fact, I know at least two dozen gay men who aren't "fruity" at all.

And for the last time, I am a Catholic but im not religiously obsessed. I go to Church on Easter and Christmas, and theres nothing wrong with masturbation as long as you're not watching gay secks and beating it. Every guy has masturbated before, I guess its morally wrong, but everyone does it.
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Why is masturbation morally wrong? And yet, there's "nothing wrong with" it?

Whether you like it or not, your basic moral foundations have been formed by religion. Religion in today's society is quite pervasive, really. America's foundation was on people who left England because they were, effectively, too uptight to put up with the King's religious reforms. ("People so uptight, the English kicked them out." robin williams ftw, kekekekekekekekekeke ^_______________^)
 
Omniscientx said:
You got way deep into this, I said I hate fags. Meaning I hate people who are overly fruity and wear tight as clothes and just let everyone know they are the gayest thing on Earth. If you're gay, keep it to yourself, and nobody will bother you. Act normal, wear normal clothes, stop wearing pink Abercrombie shirts with jeans from the Womens isle. THAT is the basis of my thinking.
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Every Catholic bishop learns that lesson early in the seminary. :spiteful:

I'm a gay guy, and good luck picking me out of a lineup of dudes.

Your hearty "fuck you" means little to me. It's sad that you feel that way about gay men, but you're in high school and I'm sure you'll grow out of it when you get more hair on your nuts. At the very least, I hope you learn to suppress your attitude when you have to work beside gay men, because a lot of companies frown on that whole "hostile work environment" thing.

As for the whole "You have to respect my opinion" vibe floating around some of these posts, I call bullshit on that. I respect an informed opinion, not some unexamined kneejerk reaction or blind acceptance of tradition.
 
Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, and they all stink.

Frankly I think "respect my opinion!" is one of the biggest loads of utter bullshit that's clogging up our society today. Yes, opinion is important, but so is debate, and people all too quickly nowadays curl up like panicked millipedes into their "omg its my opinion stfu!" shell whenever they are confronted with an opposing viewpoint that might have some merit...
 
Exactly. They treat opinions like a shield instead of a launching point for discussion.
 
what is wrong with being Gay? I mean Honesty, So what if its "Morally wrong" Everything EVERYPERSON on earth every day is morally wrong.

My uncle is gay. I call him Joe-mo. He knows its a joke. I've had to watch his BF's come and go( a lot of them were little cry babies but that's another story) My cousin is gay aswell, BIG FUCKING DEAL. It's your life, you are aloud to do w/e the hell you want(Gasp free will)

I'm sick of you bible types crying about gays and other bullshit. I've read the bible, i went to church, i prayed everynight. You know what, It's all a load of crap, we project the image of "God" as so we have something to believe in to keep using going everyday.

My closest friend is a jahovawitness(sp?), I get into talks about god with him all the time. "Stealing is wrong" yet he'll steal from 7 11. The only thing i give him props for is not having a sex till he is married(that or the fact he can't get a girl lol).


My life is my life. I'll bitch, i'll swear, i'll eat meat, i'll have sex whenever the fuck i want.

No one should be told who to love, or what sex to love or what religion is wrong. "god" gave us free will, we use it everyday of our lives.

But i digress, If you want to believe in an all powerful being saying "If you do this your going to hell" then be my quest, If you want to have sex with someone of the same sex, then enjoy. I'll continue hanging out with my gay family members and you can believe in god.

I don't think anyone should force their belifes(sp) on anyone else. Todays world let's people live free. we aren't back in the old days where you had no other choice.


I'm sorry for the long post(if it's long) i'm just so freaking bored.
 
We can just hope some horrid disease kills Omni and his family for raising such a disgrace to mankind. He's more like the sludge you find sticking to sewer lines.

I can only pray (lol) that he fucks up and gets arrested.. See how much he is screaming anti-gay when he has bubba shoving him over a bench :D
 
Halifirien said:
As for the whole "You have to respect my opinion" vibe floating around some of these posts, I call bullshit on that. I respect an informed opinion, not some unexamined kneejerk reaction or blind acceptance of tradition.
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This is precisely the point I was trying to make in my earlier posts, Hal. I thank you for putting it so concisely. I have ... trouble ... with minimizing the size of my posts. Not all points of view are created equal. Trying to equalize the "debate" between someone who says something like "Gay people are going to Hell" (or the more crude "I hate fags") and someone trying to defend themselves is, frankly, insulting.



I had no idea that you were gay, and you're not exactly an unknown person in our community ... the Titanictus boards included. This alone should illustrate that the "throwing gayness in my face" attitude is utter garbage.
 
Omniscientx said:
You got way deep into this, I said I hate fags. Meaning I hate people who are overly fruity and wear tight as clothes and just let everyone know they are the gayest thing on Earth. If you're gay, keep it to yourself, and nobody will bother you. Act normal, wear normal clothes, stop wearing pink Abercrombie shirts with jeans from the Womens isle. THAT is the basis of my thinking.
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I really tried to stop responding to you on an intellectual level, as you've made it clear that you're not interested in doing the same. I don't know why I'm still arguing with a kid. I just have a lot of difficulty letting ideas like this go uncountered; it's a deep-seated flaw within me. So ...

There's nothing "deep" about actually coming up with a reason to hate someone or something; I understand that someone that fits the gay stereotype makes you uncomfortable. That doesn't explain something as fierce and intense as literal hatred.

What's more, the fact that you don't like feminity in men doesn't really explain why it's morally wrong. Even if you maintain you don't have to explain your emotional reaction to homosexuality, you really, really can't make a claim about morality without backing it up with some description of what makes something immoral. Coming from a "because God says so" standpoint may be a frustrating weak position, but at least it IS a position.

You've yet to give a REASON. What MAKES it wrong, if not God?


Omniscientx said:
Now just for something to talk about, why should gay marriages be right? Why should gay people be considered normal?
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Nobody is going to grant you the dignity of directing the conversation.
 
This is where my previous line of thinking came into play. We wouldn't have 4 pages of this dude gay bashing had we all just nodded and quietly recognized his idiocy. Somepeople just say this shit to get rise out of people, don't give him thr dignity of a responce.
 
Omniscientx said:
Now just for something to talk about, why should gay marriages be right? Why should gay people be considered normal?
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Why shouldn't they be right? They love each other. How will it impact your life if two people of the same sex, hundreds of thousands of miles away, decide to get married?
 
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