celesia is a thief

Sirelrohir said:
It doesnt exactly work like this, as a few runs difference doesnt affect what tier you are in.

I will use myself as an example. At the moment, I am in tier 2 for pld armor. There is one other pld in the shell that is in tier 2 with me. we both started approximately the same time. However, If i am not mistaken (and i could be) I may have been on 1-2 runs more then the other pld. Since the amount of runs we have been on is close, the other pld is still in the same tier as myslef. What I am tryin to say is that perfect does not penalyze for missing a run here or there. The leaders understand that sometimes things come up.

Now, for demir to be in tier one and celes in tier 2, demir would have had to have gone on something like 20 more runs then celes did, meaning he put alot more work to get other people their af, coins, w/e. The thing that bugs me the most is that celes knew the rules.. everyone knows them, yet decided to lot anyway. It was just wrong. I mean I dont even really know her, and after she did this, how do i know she wouldnt lot on a piece of af that I need just b/c she might be lvlig that job at some point?
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I'm just curious, based on this system, is it ever possible for someone new in your shell to get to the higher/better tiers? It's been said that Demir was in the shell from the start and that Celesia joined about halfway into the shell's life. Could that 20 run difference come from the difference between when they joined? If it does, it seems like there's no way Celesia would have been able to get to tier 1 unless demir missed several months worth of runs in a row. I'm not meaning any insult to your LS or how you do things, but the way it's been explained is basically "first come, first serve" which doesn't look like much incentive to join since it guarantees you won't get anything for months if you're new.

This is of course ignoring the obvious that if Demir got the relic body, then he'd be removed from the lotting list and therefore everyone would move up a tier.
 
Firestreak said:
So it's cool to Yanzi if people in Perfect get screwed over as long as they aren't Valkyr members? =p
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not really. if you're referring to shadow mantle, i've said my grievances about it to candia regarding lots, they were just not posted in the public forums like hatomi.
 
Firestreak said:
Hey btw, remember that guy Dua, he never attended OH events. Decided wanted what he didn't earn and stole a scorpion harness. I wonder what shells he's in...
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he hasn't attended perfect in months. besides, OH and BOL members are in the shell, and they have all been good.
 
yanzi said:
not really. if you're referring to shadow mantle, i've said my grievances about it to candia regarding lots, they were just not posted in the public forums like hatomi.
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There were non-Valks members lotting the mantle as well. That holds no merit whatsoever. :rtfm:
 
Elemmire said:
just wanna make sure here.. you really do know about the situation with Dua ya? How he stole the Scorpion Harness from OH.. OH flamed him for it and was telling others not to invite him to their LS. Valkrys invites him to the LS saying what happened didn't matter or something like that (I'm too lazy to go reread through that thread). Now, several months later, Valkrys (well Perfect really but I do believe most of Valkrys is in Perfect and I know Perfect was started by Valkrys members) has had someone do what Dua did to OH except it was to them and now they are asking people to do the same thing OH asked of others when it came to Dua. I find this entire ironical situation completely amusing, and while I have nothing against anyone in Perfect/Valkrys or in any LS for that matter and do not condone what Celesia did was right, I do not find any sympathy in this situation towards either side.
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so what? dua has not attended in months either in valk or in perfect. you're gasping at straws ele. all the members of perfect (from valk, OH, BOL, etc) have been good regardless of any drama or background.
 
Bajaratt said:
I'm just curious, based on this system, is it ever possible for someone new in your shell to get to the higher/better tiers? It's been said that Demir was in the shell from the start and that Celesia joined about halfway into the shell's life. Could that 20 run difference come from the difference between when they joined? If it does, it seems like there's no way Celesia would have been able to get to tier 1 unless demir missed several months worth of runs in a row. I'm not meaning any insult to your LS or how you do things, but the way it's been explained is basically "first come, first serve" which doesn't look like much incentive to join since it guarantees you won't get anything for months if you're new.

This is of course ignoring the obvious that if Demir got the relic body, then he'd be removed from the lotting list and therefore everyone would move up a tier.
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whos gonna answer this?
 
Bajaratt said:
I'm just curious, based on this system, is it ever possible for someone new in your shell to get to the higher/better tiers? It's been said that Demir was in the shell from the start and that Celesia joined about halfway into the shell's life. Could that 20 run difference come from the difference between when they joined? If it does, it seems like there's no way Celesia would have been able to get to tier 1 unless demir missed several months worth of runs in a row. I'm not meaning any insult to your LS or how you do things, but the way it's been explained is basically "first come, first serve" which doesn't look like much incentive to join since it guarantees you won't get anything for months if you're new.

This is of course ignoring the obvious that if Demir got the relic body, then he'd be removed from the lotting list and therefore everyone would move up a tier.
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the cities are free lot for your main job, then for next highest ppl who have sam leveled.
i.e. if any new sam joins, they can lot sam AF in the cities. it is only in the northlands where there is a tier. tier is based on attendance, seniority, etc. once a tier is cleared, will the next tier's ppl move up and new people added to the lower tier.
as for the cities AF, it's gotten to the point that all (or most) of our sams have them. a few pieces are even free lotted by people who's main is not sam. so if celesia hasn't gotten anything in 8 months, he can only blame his own poor attendance.
 
yanzi said:
the cities are free lot for your main job, then for next highest ppl who have sam leveled.
i.e. if any new sam joins, they can lot sam AF in the cities. it is only in the northlands where there is a tier. tier is based on attendance, seniority, etc. once a tier is cleared, will the next tier's ppl move up and new people added to the lower tier.
as for the cities AF, it's gotten to the point that all (or most) of our sams have them. a few pieces are even free lotted by people who's main is not sam. so if celesia hasn't gotten anything in 8 months, he can only blame his own poor attendance.
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Good answer :wacko:
 
yanzi said:
so what? dua has not attended in months either in valk or in perfect. you're gasping at straws ele. all the members of perfect (from valk, OH, BOL, etc) have been good regardless of any drama or background.
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you missed my point, taru :P it's the same situation just a different person. And I'm not trying to be rude or anything.. I'm just amused by the drama.
 
Bajaratt said:
I'm just curious, based on this system, is it ever possible for someone new in your shell to get to the higher/better tiers? It's been said that Demir was in the shell from the start and that Celesia joined about halfway into the shell's life. Could that 20 run difference come from the difference between when they joined? If it does, it seems like there's no way Celesia would have been able to get to tier 1 unless demir missed several months worth of runs in a row. I'm not meaning any insult to your LS or how you do things, but the way it's been explained is basically "first come, first serve" which doesn't look like much incentive to join since it guarantees you won't get anything for months if you're new.

This is of course ignoring the obvious that if Demir got the relic body, then he'd be removed from the lotting list and therefore everyone would move up a tier.
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Yes, our system allows you to scale up on tiers based on your attendance in the LS, you can either go up or down, so people who are on tier 1 can go down to tier 2 and tier 2 can go up to 1.


P.S. When I get home I'll post pics of the situation if you guys want.
 
Elemmire said:
you missed my point, taru :P it's the same situation just a different person. And I'm not trying to be rude or anything.. I'm just amused by the drama.
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SH's are a dime a dozen, easily gotten and easily replaceable. sam AF2 body is not.
in the words of chemira (sorry not exact quote) but something along the lines of why would celesia ruin his rep over a shitty armor, if he wanted to ruin his rep, do it by stealing a ridill.
 
yanzi said:
SH's are a dime a dozen, easily gotten and easily replaceable. sam AF2 body is not.
in the words of chemira (sorry not exact quote) but something along the lines of why would celesia ruin his rep over a shitty armor, if he wanted to ruin his rep, do it by stealing a ridill.
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true true. But the situation still does stand. It is the same thing happening here as with Dua awhile back. Just amuses me nicely :D
 
Elemmire said:
true true. But the situation still does stand. It is the same thing happening here as with Dua awhile back. Just amuses me nicely :D
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that's like saying if i'm camping against maseki i should expect something from his past to happen to me?
 
Kensou said:
Yes, our system allows you to scale up on tiers based on your attendance in the LS, you can either go up or down, so people who are on tier 1 can go down to tier 2 and tier 2 can go up to 1.


P.S. When I get home I'll post pics of the situation if you guys want.
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doooooo eeeeeeeeeetttttttttttttt
 
yanzi said:
SH's are a dime a dozen, easily gotten and easily replaceable. sam AF2 body is not.
in the words of chemira (sorry not exact quote) but something along the lines of why would celesia ruin his rep over a shitty armor, if he wanted to ruin his rep, do it by stealing a ridill.
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So your point is that Dua is a much more intelligent thief? Sam AF2 body is useless, at least the Scorp Harness is functional. The point I'm trying to make is, if you want to make a strong stance against thieves, don't fucking invite them into your linkshell.

And don't give me that Penut bullshit. Penut(who was in OH for less than a week) is a "thief" by the standards of he got his god gear from 1 LS then joined another. He took with him what he was given and no LS property rules were held down solidly. Warick got like 100 times out of OH what Penut got from BoL, and you don't see us flaming TheNameLess. Why? Because even if he kind of stiffed us, it DOESN'T make him a THIEF. There's a difference.

Dua stole what was a loan to him, he was caught smoking gun and this is what Villarel said on the matter.

http://www.qcdn.org/showthread.php?p=168756#post168756

Villarel doesn't care because in his opinion, it's impossible to steal from his LS.

Apparently, stealing is quite possible. What you have to do... is kick thieves.

So yeah, before you try to give shit to some social LS that Celesia is in, realize you have a thief in your GOD LINKSHELL.

Until you change your policies, or at least kick the asshole, I think you need to quite simply shut the fuck up. Tired of seeing your rants about crafters taking HQs, people lotting AF2 when they are apparently not of your 'chosen tier'. You have an outright thief in your presence, just shut the fuck up. Kick people who steal from you, claim no moral high ground and move on with your life.

End of story.
 
Firestreak said:
So your point is that Dua is a much more intelligent thief? Sam AF2 body is useless, at least the Scorp Harness is functional. The point I'm trying to make is, if you want to make a strong stance against thieves, don't fucking invite them into your linkshell.

And don't give me that Penut bullshit. Penut(who was in OH for less than a week) is a "thief" by the standards of he got his god gear from 1 LS then joined another. He took with him what he was given and no LS property rules were held down solidly. Warick got like 100 times out of OH what Penut got from BoL, and you don't see us flaming TheNameLess. Why? Because even if he kind of stiffed us, it DOESN'T make him a THIEF. There's a difference.

Dua stole what was a loan to him, he was caught smoking gun and this is what Villarel said on the matter.

http://www.qcdn.org/showthread.php?p=168756#post168756

Villarel doesn't care because in his opinion, it's impossible to steal from his LS.

Apparently, stealing is quite possible. What you have to do... is kick thieves.

So yeah, before you try to give shit to some social LS that Celesia is in, realize you have a thief in your GOD LINKSHELL.

Until you change your policies, or at least kick the asshole, I think you need to quite simply shut the fuck up. Tired of seeing your rants about crafters taking HQs, people lotting AF2 when they are apparently not of your 'chosen tier'. You have an outright thief in your presence, just shut the fuck up. Kick people who steal from you, claim no moral high ground and move on with your life.

End of story.
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this is the correct answer
 
Tymon said:
this is the correct answer
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That is not the correct answer. That is one jackass that is still bitter about being taken to the cleaners by someone that doesn't even play anymore. Am I surprised? Not in the least bit. Fire, you should take a line from your own post and shut the fuck up. Making yourself look more ignorant is not helping your cause.

There is and always will be some type of honor system in this game when it comes to lotting on loot. The only way around that is to solo the mob yourself. And we all know that the uber players can solo a God or two. :wink:
 
Firestreak said:
So your point is that Dua is a much more intelligent thief? Sam AF2 body is useless, at least the Scorp Harness is functional. The point I'm trying to make is, if you want to make a strong stance against thieves, don't fucking invite them into your linkshell.

And don't give me that Penut bullshit. Penut(who was in OH for less than a week) is a "thief" by the standards of he got his god gear from 1 LS then joined another. He took with him what he was given and no LS property rules were held down solidly. Warick got like 100 times out of OH what Penut got from BoL, and you don't see us flaming TheNameLess. Why? Because even if he kind of stiffed us, it DOESN'T make him a THIEF. There's a difference.

Dua stole what was a loan to him, he was caught smoking gun and this is what Villarel said on the matter.

http://www.qcdn.org/showthread.php?p=168756#post168756

Villarel doesn't care because in his opinion, it's impossible to steal from his LS.

Apparently, stealing is quite possible. What you have to do... is kick thieves.

So yeah, before you try to give shit to some social LS that Celesia is in, realize you have a thief in your GOD LINKSHELL.

Until you change your policies, or at least kick the asshole, I think you need to quite simply shut the fuck up. Tired of seeing your rants about crafters taking HQs, people lotting AF2 when they are apparently not of your 'chosen tier'. You have an outright thief in your presence, just shut the fuck up. Kick people who steal from you, claim no moral high ground and move on with your life.

End of story.
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#1 vill does not run perfect
#2 perfect is not valk
so because we have OH members in perfect, i should be glad OH got stolen from again?
 
yanzi said:
that's like saying if i'm camping against maseki i should expect something from his past to happen to me?
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so what you are saying is that it's ok to give second chances despite past mistakes? :D give Celesia one eh? :P
 
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