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hellstorm said:
You was one that said it not I, as I said before don't need pcc with the setup I have and would never get pcc even if I had the best setup because it is not needed, I have one for lvling a job that is all once job hit 60 chiv chain is better. Only exception would be maybe mnk and thf.
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Are you using lifebelt? You can't claim that Chivalrous Chain is better. You say that you notice its better, show the results.

Realize what you're doing here. You don't have any reputation or respect from anyone on these boards. That's not flaming, its fact.

Now you're spewing out that Chivalrous Chain is > peacock charm without any substantial proof whatsoever. You NEED to show numerous dedicated tests and trials, not just say "If you need 10acc yuor gimp".

Please, stop talking unless you have some substantial proof to show the community.
 
hellstorm said:
You was one that said it not I, as I said before don't need pcc with the setup I have and would never get pcc even if I had the best setup because it is not needed, I have one for lvling a job that is all once job hit 60 chiv chain is better. Only exception would be maybe mnk and thf.
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If you settle for sushi on everything, yes Chiv Chain would be fine on pretty much everything. If you don't want to gimp yourself using meat, pick up the PCC. There's a reason it's never dropped below 1.5 mil and it's not because it's a e-peen only item.
 
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Itachiii said:
There's a reason it's never dropped below 1.5 mil and it's not because it's a e-peen only item.
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People always miss this little tidbit. No matter how you tweek a setup involving a CC, I can produce a setup using a PCC that is superior to it in every respect that matters.

CC is a viable alternative for those who cannot obtain a PCC/PCA, and don't care. But saying that CC is superior is just fooling yourself.
 
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People always miss this little tidbit. No matter how you tweek a setup involving a CC, I can produce a setup using a PCC that is superior to it in every respect that matters.

CC is a viable alternative for those who cannot obtain a PCC/PCA, and don't care. But saying that CC is superior is just fooling yourself.
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bring out the setup
 
hellstorm said:
bring out the setup
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If you are really hurting for STR drop the sniper's for a Flame/Triumph ring for +2 STR and keep the PCC on for the exact same accuracy over a Chiv Chain/sniper's combo. You have enough accuracy to drop both a PCC and sniper's for more STR? Put the "gimp" PCC and sniper's on, eat meat and hit a shitton harder.
 
jamal said:
You say that you notice its better, show the results.
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jamal said:
Now you're spewing out that Chivalrous Chain is > peacock charm without any substantial proof whatsoever. You NEED to show numerous dedicated tests and trials, not just say "If you need 10acc yuor gimp".

Please, stop talking unless you have some substantial proof to show the community.
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hellstorm said:
Am I now, show me the gear.
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Myrrh said:
Bring up your proof to prove that you're better with a PCC than with a CC.
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Exactly. The "No, you" defense doesn't fly.
 
Itachiii said:
Woody/ME
Fire bomblet

Ohat
Hauby NQ
Heca hands
Bhaidate
Heca feet

PCC
Forager's mantle
Brutal/Fowling
Rajas/Sniper's
Warwolf

Merits - Axe: 8/8 STR 5/5

I use meat on almost everything out there. If I do use sushi I swap the sniper's for a flame ring and Bhaidate for Warrior's cuisses. I should make the switch from Warwolf to Potent belt in a meat setup and Ehead for Ohat when using sushi but I rarely come as WAR/NIN to anything anymore.
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87atk
29str
52acc
32dex
(that would be your gear if you used E head/pot belt and man/juggy)

Not bad. I would hope you eat meat; I mean if you get juggy to replace your woodville and e head/potent your str would be at +29. (without merits) You would get a 87 atk not bad I get 92 if I used cc setup. I don't though I use temp so i get 99. If I could make a friendly suggestion though trade your sniper in for a Ulthalam's ring. Taou not that hard should be able to finish it with in 2 days. Would raise your atk to 91 while keeping you acc still above 50.(51 to be exact)

Your setup is not much unlike mine I would still like to see other war gear though be interesting to compare the gear. That is very good meat setup. I'm kinda surprise you don't use fowler instead of triumph. Would have beaten your acc if you did and still keep more str, atk.
 
jamal said:
Exactly. The "No, you" defense doesn't fly.
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What you afraid that I prove you wrong if you post your setup? Like I said there pcc/hau not the only setup only way I use them would be if I had a heca cap. I'll post mine soon enough I just want see what you think the ultimate setup is. I also like see what other war think the best setup is (more so best setup pre- hecca cap/e body ) Don't want you go change your gear on my behalf.:wink: In fact ill make ss of my gear you can can see I didn't change a thing. Apr 1 2008 2:10 ss taken post your setups if want see my cards.:cool::spiteful::evilsmile: Also those who rated me down you wait long enough you will see.
 
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hellstorm said:
What you afraid that I prove you wrong if you post your setup? Like I said there pcc/hau not the only setup only way I use them would be if I had a heca cap. I'll post mine soon enough I just want see what you think the ultimate setup is. I also like see what other war think the best setup is (more so best setup pre- hecca camp/e body ) Don't want you go change your gear on my behalf.:wink: In fact ill make ss of my gear you can can see I didn't change a thing. Apr 1 2008 2:10 ss taken post your setups if want see my cards.:cool::spiteful::evilsmile:
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I said you need to post parses, not just say its better. Reading comprehension, look into it. You can't just say because you don't have a piece of gear that it's not practical to have. As mara has said, for every setup you give us, we can give you a setup with PCC that's better.
 
jamal said:
I said you need to post parses, not just say its better. Reading comprehension, look into it. You can't just say because you don't have a piece of gear that it's not practical to have. As mara has said, for every setup you give us, we can give you a setup with PCC that's better.
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Then why won't you post your set?
As I said I have ss of my gear with a date on it. So no fear that ill go trying find better gear to top you, however I fear that is what you will go and try to do. So forgive me for being latent in revealing my setup. I do not have the best setup by far but, Mine is great pre- heca cap.
 
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PARSE - provides a detailed analysis of special game action affects, attacks, missed attacks, and special actions over a given length of time

translation

PARSE - lets you know if your current gear setup is gimp
 
hellstorm said:
Then why won't you post your set?
As I said I have ss of my gear with a date on it. So no fear that ill go trying find better gear to top you, however I fear that is what you will go and try to do so forgive me for being causes before revealing my setup.
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I've posted my gear setups many times. Why would I change them?
TP
Hanger / Ridill
Fire Bomblet
Turban
Fort. Torque
Brutal
Suppa
Adaman berk
Dusk Gloves
Snipers +1
Rajas
Foragers
Swift
Haidate
Dusk Ledelsens+1

WS
Turban --> Nhead
Dusk gloves --> Nhands
Swift --> Warwolf (for the DEX)
Dusk Ledelsens +1 -> Amir Boots
As of 11am this morning:
Haidate --> Ares' Flanchard (maybe, haven't tested yet)

DEX+45 on ws, 50 with soul sushi. This is my only hangup on the flanchard use...not sure if I want to give up 9 DEX for 6STR 2 DA. Sniper's +1 is always kept on, Rajas as well because of the DEX bonus during TP.

You've read my parses. I've NEVER seen one from you.
 
jamal said:
I've posted my gear setups many times. Why would I change them?
TP
Hanger / Ridill
Fire Bomblet
Turban
Fort. Torque
Brutal
Suppa
Adaman berk
Dusk Gloves
Snipers +1
Rajas
Foragers
Swift
Haidate
Dusk Ledelsens+1

WS
Turban --> Nhead
Dusk gloves --> Nhands
Swift --> Warwolf (for the DEX)
Dusk Ledelsens +1 -> Amir Boots
As of 11am this morning:
Haidate --> Ares' Flanchard (maybe, haven't tested yet)

DEX+45 on ws, 50 with soul sushi. This is my only hangup on the flanchard use...not sure if I want to give up 9 DEX for 6STR 2 DA. Sniper's +1 is always kept on, Rajas as well because of the DEX bonus during TP.

You've read my parses. I've NEVER seen one from you.
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sword/sword would have say did not see that one coming. Have ask though someone who is fighting for pcc>all why you using a torque?
 
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