Diabolos not the only new avatar to come

[Stouter]

I don't think Summoner needs to fear a nerf just yet. SE only nerfs percieved abuse of the system. Right now, there aren't enough Summoners for endgame to exploit. I doubt there ever will be, because the people who flock to bandwagon jobs tend not to enjoy healing/support jobs. Summoner has a built in safety net against bandwagon rejects. If only Blm had a bandwagon barrier. Since SE has left Blm alone, and it seems as if this will be so indefinitely, I don't see any reason for Smns to worry. Once a minute Blm-style damage w/o hate comes at the cost of 69 levels of community abuse.

Brd got nerfed, and I think I'm the only person that noticed it. This was when brd was in far shorter supply than Smn currently is, and likely because of this reason. The reason that nobody noticed it because it wasn't a true nerf like other jobs have suffered. There's more and more smn every day, and every major end game shell uses smn for wyverns the same way rng was used in sky. When it reaches the point where ls's say, "we can either kill tiamat the real way, or throw a bunch of smn at him and kill him the easy way" that's when you need to watch out for the nerf. Ranged BP from diabolos sure doesn't help this out any at all. The thing that saves blm is their mp limitations, and their high resist rate against high level HNM.

The reason that smn get the "69 levels of community abuse" is due to the fact that very few people have seen a smn be more than a gimp whm in exp. It's something that perpetuates itself, since smn get stuck with that role they often don't know how to be anything else when given the opportunity, so other people don't invite them for anything else.

ps - not talking about the pamama thing when I say brd nerf, that was a simple mistake that SE made when swapping food around. Anyone that can guess what I'm talking about by brd nerf gets a cookie.

 

[Zaltana]

Oy I can't handle anymore avatars as I'm out of macro tiers but I do want phoenix....Reraisga III YES PRZ!!

As far as the all smn LS, all I can say is it's about time. No more waiting 3 days for a pt without an invite, No more smns having to scrape and scrounge 500k for a fenrir run and no more BEGGING people to do Carby mitt runs.

Palum's right, I've been booted from parties because I'm a summoner before we even leave Jeuno. "Oh you're a summoner? I thought you were a samurai... /boot". It's taken me about a year and a half to take smn to 71 and it took me 3 months to take whm from 1-61, All SMN LS yes please. If summoners weren't so shunned from 1-69 I'm sure there woulndn't be a need for an all SMN LS but that's not the case. You get Non Summoners begging you to do prommy again but these are the same assholes who pass you up everytime they make a party before even giving you a chance to show that you're any good.

I've done 4 Fenrir runs and just last night got about 12 carbuncle mittens to drop and god damn did it feel good to help out! One of the SMNs even said "Wow I'm so glad you guys are helping me get my mitts, I've been trying to get them for 3 months and was thinking of quitting" And you want him to join your End game LS when hits 70 but won't help him get carby mitts when he's 40...nice.

By the way, as far as I know we havn't done any realy end game activity as of yet, we help eachother get testimonies, mittens, fenrirs, avatars, pacts and XP together on bombs - I don't see what the big deal is.

i agree with sabia. to many players want the finished product but wont lift a finger to help said person get there. all they can think of is thelvl 70 BP's. any that has partied with me on my smn knows i dont limit myself to the "kewl" BP's. i try to show how versitle a SMN can be pre 70. and hopefully open peoples eyes to how fun a job it is.

 

[hellstorm]

if there was going be any summon the top 3 would be


phoneix <tran summon of life>
odin <avatar of darkness>
alazander < avatar of light>


in that order.

there already in the game and they are infelated with several quest not in person but mension. So if i had put money on it i say atleast 2 summon somewhere during next expansion.

as for smn being hard job plz smn is just like rdm. Hard to lvl to 40 but after 40 we fly though lvls. Now 9/10 time summoner is pick for healer because no whm around but they still picked alot more then have the dd classes.

 

[Pompidou]

There's a big difference between 41 and 70. Actually the job situations are kinda reversed. Rdm's are kinda free to do a variety of tasks pre41, but then get pidgeonholed into the "Refresh-whore" job position. Summoners are pidgeonholed into "half level whm" job roles until 70, when they can finally expand.