A long response to a long flame
Wow long posts and people miss key points. He is RDM so he could not even if he wanted pre 64 erase any stats with erase. As for the MP boosts with /whm it is maybe 3 mp added for each SJ lv. There are foods you can use to increase stats like mind and int as well as MP. Converve mp can be nice as can divine seal and barspells, but it might shock you that rdms are not always invited to be main healer. Now I am sure we all can name players who like a certain taru rdm I ran into 3 years ago as my 54 whm who felt if you needed mp you should rest rather than refresh. Players like that are flame worthy to warn others.
I did not even really need Erase till Spiders. Mind you when I was leveling whm it was 1,000,000 gil for erase and unless you were gonna buy it for me I did not have it. At 50 I did get it <best friend got a spare in bcnm>. It was amazing that I was never kicked from a party for not having it or flamed...but then most whms did not have it then.
Even more on SJ stats sub dark as it gives more int than /blm<this is for the make enfeebles stick people> How about we call all rdms who by lv 40 do not have mp + gear and macros to add them in for convert gimp noobs. After al they are wasting mp that could be used in refresh/haste/party cures to heal themselves rather than make free mp with convert Mp gear. Even better lets not invite them because they don't have int swap for post convert cure for all those enfeebles a main healing rdm might not even have spare mp for. <for the morons this is called Sarcasim> There happens to be more than one way to play a job. <Quote jeska on that line as he used it alot as he leveled DRK> Mind you I also believe there is more than one way to play a job. When you stop trying new ways you can not find better ways of doing things. <Look at people who Zerk kirin vs blm and monk take down. Someone had to go .... hey lets try this might be better....and their LS had to go sure worse case we lost a kirin pop set>
This Flame is one of the STUPIDEST I have ever seen. I had to main heal as rdm from lv 35 till 75. I HATED main healing as rdm as cure 4 tends to kill your rdm and yes those fire spitting crawlers can cause you to spam it<spamming cure 3 kills you too>. Jeska should know as he was the pld in my static til 67 where I had the worst party ever on imps. I do recall a not so impressive display of pld skills a few times during that long static <like losing hate to a drk and not being able to get it back at lv 62/64> yet no one judged you by it. We both know that drks can get a bit swing happy with guilitine <sp>. You have never even exped with this player to even have a real opinion on how well he played or if he suffered for not having a SJ. Giving such a response based soley on him not having a subjob......I would have thought you would have been above this. Mind you the player says he rarely had to use his whm <dual boxed> This holds true for all of you who bitched about this player WITHOUT ever EXPING with him. <mind you jeska is my friend> So i say this understanding his view. But you can find GIMP players with SJ even at 75 with elite gear that they got off leeching END GAME. Ever see a pld in adamant <purple armor> out tank a pld with +1 sky, dynamis .af 2 gear? I did on Bahamut vs. 1. Great gear does not make a gimp player good. it only enhances a good players skills.
A rdm can never be a whm. The /whm protectras go no higher than #2. you have to blow 65 mp easy per at 75 for #4. hell lets add on if it is a non merit lv part 200mp for haste, 120 mp for refresh. Yes some of us invite loldrks because they actually are DD's even at lower levels. So we have an easy 320 mp spamming out at start, wait we have more. Dispel is what 30 mp? crawlers beetles need that spammed 3-4 times a fight sometimes more. so add on another 120 mp 440mp so far for just one mob not counting slow, para, dia/bio let alone recasting refresh if the party kills slow. then tack on Main healing at lv 50? When you have a RDM as main healer you have to choose what you can do and keep the chain alive versus what everyone expects a rdm to pull off with their limited MP. So maybe the drk gets refresh only when they are at 35 mp. or the dd's don't all get haste each round. hell maybe you have to cure 3 the tank over dispel. If you failed FFXI magic math RDM has one the lowest MP for a main healer. Maybe you high and mighty Mages should take off your mp + gear, enter the level 50 cap areas and see what your real MP is. I can say my 75 WHM barely breaks 600 <elvaan> without my MP boosts and that omg 100 mp from /blm at 75 main. I get 887 mp as my lolrdm/whm main healer at 75. Please keep in mind i do main heal as rdm in merits and do very well, we call that skill. I know taru RDM can get 800 mp easy by lv 55.
As for end game~ OMG END GAME everyone must wanna do it oh lets all go to sky/sea/dynamis/limbus. Some people actually play the game just to play the game. They don't give a damn about getting that +1 SH or the +1 AF 2 or relics. If they want they can buy the dusk gear, nobles, vermy and still do very good damage. People used to have chains of 100+ in Ro mareve <sp> without all the top notch items. I was a whm in a party like that and i had no nobles at the time. I woud also point out some players play FFXI for the storyline<love CoP>. So lets all agree that we all play our characters different. What one person thinks as most important may not always be the same as what another will think. And if someone wants to level with no Subjob the party leaders NEED NO FLAME to see it says rdm with no subjob. If they party says sure invite then NO ONE has the right to tell them not to invite someone or to even warn others <did the poster even party with this guy? I think not> not to lv with the guy when they DID NOT exp with them. Now if it had been someone who actually exped with this rdm and said God he sucked he wiped us all even with his dual box whm this flame would have had merit. Since that is not the case this never should have been posted on the flame board.
*On a side note some of the best exp parties have come from people willing to try something a little different. In a 75 merit no i would not invite him as rdm, but then neither would i invite heavy DD without /nin or /thf if i have a pld or nin. before that if there was no healers and I really wanted EXP or if my oarty wanted to try somethign different I would give him a chance. I gave a 57 Puppetmaster a chance once and we wound up staticing to 75. I watched him out DD a rng with E bow, full AF, squid +1, and top LV arrows on Zizs. His Puppet ws 1k+ vs the 600~900 sidewinder. Needless to say it was fast exp. I also have seen pld/whm main heal and pup/whm <pre whm head> and cor/whm main heal no PL in the jungles. Sorry for the long post but there was a lot to reply to.
Wow long posts and people miss key points. He is RDM so he could not even if he wanted pre 64 erase any stats with erase. As for the MP boosts with /whm it is maybe 3 mp added for each SJ lv. There are foods you can use to increase stats like mind and int as well as MP. Converve mp can be nice as can divine seal and barspells, but it might shock you that rdms are not always invited to be main healer. Now I am sure we all can name players who like a certain taru rdm I ran into 3 years ago as my 54 whm who felt if you needed mp you should rest rather than refresh. Players like that are flame worthy to warn others.
I did not even really need Erase till Spiders. Mind you when I was leveling whm it was 1,000,000 gil for erase and unless you were gonna buy it for me I did not have it. At 50 I did get it <best friend got a spare in bcnm>. It was amazing that I was never kicked from a party for not having it or flamed...but then most whms did not have it then.
Even more on SJ stats sub dark as it gives more int than /blm<this is for the make enfeebles stick people> How about we call all rdms who by lv 40 do not have mp + gear and macros to add them in for convert gimp noobs. After al they are wasting mp that could be used in refresh/haste/party cures to heal themselves rather than make free mp with convert Mp gear. Even better lets not invite them because they don't have int swap for post convert cure for all those enfeebles a main healing rdm might not even have spare mp for. <for the morons this is called Sarcasim> There happens to be more than one way to play a job. <Quote jeska on that line as he used it alot as he leveled DRK> Mind you I also believe there is more than one way to play a job. When you stop trying new ways you can not find better ways of doing things. <Look at people who Zerk kirin vs blm and monk take down. Someone had to go .... hey lets try this might be better....and their LS had to go sure worse case we lost a kirin pop set>
This Flame is one of the STUPIDEST I have ever seen. I had to main heal as rdm from lv 35 till 75. I HATED main healing as rdm as cure 4 tends to kill your rdm and yes those fire spitting crawlers can cause you to spam it<spamming cure 3 kills you too>. Jeska should know as he was the pld in my static til 67 where I had the worst party ever on imps. I do recall a not so impressive display of pld skills a few times during that long static <like losing hate to a drk and not being able to get it back at lv 62/64> yet no one judged you by it. We both know that drks can get a bit swing happy with guilitine <sp>. You have never even exped with this player to even have a real opinion on how well he played or if he suffered for not having a SJ. Giving such a response based soley on him not having a subjob......I would have thought you would have been above this. Mind you the player says he rarely had to use his whm <dual boxed> This holds true for all of you who bitched about this player WITHOUT ever EXPING with him. <mind you jeska is my friend> So i say this understanding his view. But you can find GIMP players with SJ even at 75 with elite gear that they got off leeching END GAME. Ever see a pld in adamant <purple armor> out tank a pld with +1 sky, dynamis .af 2 gear? I did on Bahamut vs. 1. Great gear does not make a gimp player good. it only enhances a good players skills.
A rdm can never be a whm. The /whm protectras go no higher than #2. you have to blow 65 mp easy per at 75 for #4. hell lets add on if it is a non merit lv part 200mp for haste, 120 mp for refresh. Yes some of us invite loldrks because they actually are DD's even at lower levels. So we have an easy 320 mp spamming out at start, wait we have more. Dispel is what 30 mp? crawlers beetles need that spammed 3-4 times a fight sometimes more. so add on another 120 mp 440mp so far for just one mob not counting slow, para, dia/bio let alone recasting refresh if the party kills slow. then tack on Main healing at lv 50? When you have a RDM as main healer you have to choose what you can do and keep the chain alive versus what everyone expects a rdm to pull off with their limited MP. So maybe the drk gets refresh only when they are at 35 mp. or the dd's don't all get haste each round. hell maybe you have to cure 3 the tank over dispel. If you failed FFXI magic math RDM has one the lowest MP for a main healer. Maybe you high and mighty Mages should take off your mp + gear, enter the level 50 cap areas and see what your real MP is. I can say my 75 WHM barely breaks 600 <elvaan> without my MP boosts and that omg 100 mp from /blm at 75 main. I get 887 mp as my lolrdm/whm main healer at 75. Please keep in mind i do main heal as rdm in merits and do very well, we call that skill. I know taru RDM can get 800 mp easy by lv 55.
As for end game~ OMG END GAME everyone must wanna do it oh lets all go to sky/sea/dynamis/limbus. Some people actually play the game just to play the game. They don't give a damn about getting that +1 SH or the +1 AF 2 or relics. If they want they can buy the dusk gear, nobles, vermy and still do very good damage. People used to have chains of 100+ in Ro mareve <sp> without all the top notch items. I was a whm in a party like that and i had no nobles at the time. I woud also point out some players play FFXI for the storyline<love CoP>. So lets all agree that we all play our characters different. What one person thinks as most important may not always be the same as what another will think. And if someone wants to level with no Subjob the party leaders NEED NO FLAME to see it says rdm with no subjob. If they party says sure invite then NO ONE has the right to tell them not to invite someone or to even warn others <did the poster even party with this guy? I think not> not to lv with the guy when they DID NOT exp with them. Now if it had been someone who actually exped with this rdm and said God he sucked he wiped us all even with his dual box whm this flame would have had merit. Since that is not the case this never should have been posted on the flame board.
*On a side note some of the best exp parties have come from people willing to try something a little different. In a 75 merit no i would not invite him as rdm, but then neither would i invite heavy DD without /nin or /thf if i have a pld or nin. before that if there was no healers and I really wanted EXP or if my oarty wanted to try somethign different I would give him a chance. I gave a 57 Puppetmaster a chance once and we wound up staticing to 75. I watched him out DD a rng with E bow, full AF, squid +1, and top LV arrows on Zizs. His Puppet ws 1k+ vs the 600~900 sidewinder. Needless to say it was fast exp. I also have seen pld/whm main heal and pup/whm <pre whm head> and cor/whm main heal no PL in the jungles. Sorry for the long post but there was a lot to reply to.
