Fuck you SE for nerfing THF further!!!!

So does that mean Thf's truely are.. a subjob only??
 
We were before this ever happened. The only problem with Thief, and it's a big one, is that there are other jobs that can prefom everything we do but better. Tanking? Ninja. Kiting? Ninja/Paladin/Ranger with Striders/Jobs with Heralds. Hate control? Any melee DD with /THF will do it better. Damage? Any DD will do it better. Treasure Hunter? Only Thieves believe it's even worth a damn. Farming? Bst, Nin, Smn, Rdm, Blm, Drg and a lot of /Nin can farm everything a Thief can for profit, probably faster too since Daggers are crap. Steal/Mug? Lolable. Hide? Who the fuck cares, In 90% of situations where it would be useful, it doesn't work. Flee? Best JA we have save for SATA. Perfect Dodge? Lolable. Flee will save your ass before PD will.

SE doesn't know WTF they want Thief to be. They let so many other jobs do what we do but better. They let other jobs take Sneak Attack and put up better numbers that a total SATA ever will.
 
I think sam is the only credible argument at better-thief-than-a-thief.
 
That's because THF is a little bit of everything, save, the magic arena. And THF does a little bit of everything as well or better than anyone.

The THFs I see whining and playing victim seem like they are going through buyer's remorse or something. WTF?!?!

AT LEAST GIVE IT MORE THAN 1/2 DAY BEFORE YOU THROW IN THE TOWEL!!!

Sounds like a typical whiner and quitter...
I downloaded the update late last night, and check the forums this morning and there are already pages upon pages of flames and bitching.

GIVE IT A MONTH...AT LEAST! Try your hand at several parties. See how bad your job got "nerfed".


Previous points made by other THFs, and people that play other mains have suggested the same, and also the underlying theme that this should primarily be a source of fun...If this change ruins all your "fun", and it doesn't sound like you whiners were having much of that to begin with, then you should quit the job or game and move on, seeking happiness.


It's an embarrassment for me as a THF to see others toss their hands up in the air, choosing to just scream, "Oh shit" before dying and fading.
WTF is wrong with you pukes?
 
Who said anything about quitting. I'm never gonna quit Thief, I'm just saying what we are.
 
Acutie said:
Who said anything about quitting. I'm never gonna quit Thief, I'm just saying what we are.
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Nobody's singling you out.
Those who have made such statements know who they are...Don't feel you have to question who it's directed at, unless you are also having second thoughts. I am partially directing that comment at people on other servers and other forums.

That quitting attitude, without even trying much to work with it, is what sickens me. It's pathetic.
 
Quit? Fuck that i Just don't want to be outTPed by a drk like I've heard some reports saying on other forums. Getting less tp than a drk is just pathetic.
 
neophytal said:
thats just it. i wouldnt invite a thf to a 75 merit party unless it was a LS member (which is very different because of gear+skill typically)

however im still waiting to hear your reply about triple attack. :) TP gain alone with triple attack trait is enough of a bonus as thief as it is. you were just spoiled.
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Triple attack is "Needed" for us to just *keep up* with all the other meelee. I have been playing this job for a while and knows exactly the weaknesses of this job. And i can certainly say that thf is THE weakest DD of all kinds by default.
It takes a lot more gil to max out thf to overcome all those weaknesses to get on par with others.

My point here is: THF is already weak, and this nerf just make it even weaker.
 
Khajit said:
Quit? Fuck that i Just don't want to be outTPed by a drk like I've heard some reports saying on other forums. Getting less tp than a drk is just pathetic.
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A well equiped Drk can out tp things. As drk/thf from basically 66-73 i kept up tp with decked out mnks wars and even some thf. I was never really in a position where someone was waiting on me to get TP unless it was a SAM.
 
why am i seeing these things on thf getting nerfed etc etc. what ever happened to white mage. if u want to take a weak class take a white mage. people seem to find summoners/whm or even red mage/whm better healer then white mages until lv 70. we get this new addition to remove status effect every 2 hours with this new update patch. whoppdie freaking doo. like we dont draw enough hate as it is. so just remember before u complain about one job not ALL jobs are perfect. because something isn't suited to your taste doesn't mean that se fucked up a job. live with it, and learn to play your job the way its updated.
 
what funny is thf was never the target. nin was and /nin. Agian SE nerf something becauase people complain. Pal complain that nin are to good of a dd, dd complain they want a change so that /nin is not only logical choice. To be honest SE has hit both birds with 1 stone in a way.
 
OH MY GAWD. 0.5 less TP a round. Seriously, cry.
It's annoying, but its not the end of the world.
 
Necrosis said:
OH MY GAWD. 0.5 less TP a round. Seriously, cry.
It's annoying, but its not the end of the world.
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that not the point though. Well i guess it is to you people. The adjustment was suppost to allow more verity of sub not to hurt /nin all together
 
Just had a PT...TP was cake, as always.
Save your breath guys.
 
Sneakypants said:
Just had a PT...TP was cake, as always.
Save your breath guys.
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Thats a lie. THFs dont get exp PT's, especially now....eesh
 
Sorry that I sounded a bit over-reacted in the OP, now I'll try to sit down and try to explain my claim in a more proper manner.


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A. In end game spammage pt situation:


First of all, Thief is a very weak job at end game exp pt to begin with.

Having the lowest dmg rating of main weapons of all kinds hurts us pretty bad. If you check somepage.com for DPS of the weapons, dagger is usually falling behind for 25% than other weapons and that leads to sup par DOT no matter what. It is virtually impossible to match other DDs DOT (i.e. meelee hit dmg total) by boosting your atk and STR due to the limitation of our dagger's base dmg. At best we would be doing 40dmg per dagger swing in a realistic situation with bard, i.e. atk/def ratio at aprox. 1.2. Now as i recall from memory a mnk/nin with brd will hit for 60-70 ish per fist and in the race to 100%tp:

-Monk: 65 per fist * 20 rounds of fist swings = 1300.

-Thief: 40 per fist * 22 rounds of dagger swings = 880.


A Great monk's asuran fist will match a thief's SADE, so what can thieves do to even out the gap from DOT?

-> Load up in +haste items and take full advantage of the tp floor and target for doing SADE or TADE every 40s <-

Yes we need to do WS as often as we can and split up SA and TA to even out the gap. Stacking sata WS doesn't work in spammage pt so 1 min is not the time cap for Thief, instead 40s, or even 30s is the goal. Now with this TP floor nerf we essentially get a +10% slow on tp gain. That's like meeleeing with a hecatomb harness on you. How much does people spend on haste gear and how much does +10% haste gear worth?


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40 per dagger is prolly the best avg that a thf/nin can do with sushi, a lot of time attack food is not that viable in weapons party and warriors will agree with you since:

1. Thief have A- in dagger

2. You can NEVER get 95% acc. on decos without the help of sushi(that's a mystery of sushi) and spammage pt TP is king.

3. Acid bolts, even with +60 racc you'd still need sushi to land them reliably without hindering your tp gain.

I myself tried attack food and sushi and parsed both, and turned out sushi parsed higher and we got higher chain when i was using sushi.



Using Harpe line as someone suggested wont work since it'd still get tp slower than 178-178 or 178-150 delay setup according to calculations. My point here is, a Thf needs to go an extra 10 miles to get on par with war/nin or mnk and need EVERY SINGLE TRICK to achieve that goal. You'd need triple-attack + haste gear + taking full advantage of tp floor to legitimately contribute to spammage pt.



This is why I got that frustrated, since they "Nerf" a job which actually needed a "Boost" while trying to "Nerf" war/nin and end up there's nothing to do with them.




to be continue...........
 
lionsheart said:
side note.. bigD i can pt with your war with mine =D and can kidnap galix's 48 brd with us har har!!!!
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<Spinning Axe> <Party> <Yes Please!> lawl
 
Makelith said:
A well equiped Drk can out tp things. As drk/thf from basically 66-73 i kept up tp with decked out mnks wars and even some thf. I was never really in a position where someone was waiting on me to get TP unless it was a SAM.
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Can you explain exactly how you're able to match TP gain with a war, thf or mnk as a Drk/thf? Drk/war's, who's TP gain is better than Drk/thf couldn't match my TP gain as a monk, so you'll have to forgive me if I think that's complete bullshit. Your accuracy isn't even a factor, it's the delay between your swings and without war sub you can't even claim double attacks for increased TP; Drk doesn't get enough TP per hit for their slow weapon speed to match TP gain with the faster attackers in the game.

Either they weren't "decked out" like you claim, or they're way too low to be fighting the mobs you're fighting and even sushi can't help them. I guess another reason might be the thf isn't subbing war or nin, the war isn't dual wielding axes and the monk is a fucking idiot for not subbing war, but then there's not really any bragging rights.

Drk's known for being one of the slowest attackers in the game, but at the same time, their per-hit damage was the highest to balance it out. I'd really love to see any proof you have to this claim you're making.
 
Ill go ahead and say as a DRK, even if you hit 100% with /THF and Haste spell on you 100% of the time. DRK/THF is the slowest TP gainer, DD in the game. The only time I ever out TPed WAR/MNK/Anything on a regular basis was if they were ill equiped or lower lvl. DRK/WAR is a different story however. Double Attack helps like crazy (as it does for any other jobs)

However that is just my experience. And I dont think anything I just typed is unkown to anyone, so .... meh....whatever.
 
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