Gear = Skill?

Rimashuma said:
Every job needs skill..

Just each job has its own "Individual" skill.. Hence the reason for different jobs..

Sure, some jobs may be "easier" than other jobs.. IF you've played them your entire time online.. Like for me, PLD is easy, but you give my friend who was a 75 DRK to play it, he couldn't tank half as good as I do(I know, because I let him one day :D )..

And WHM is just like RDM, just WHM does things for the party, not the monster.. Only thing that RDM really does for the party, is Refresh.. WHM takes care of the rest of it.. They both aren't "easy" though.. No job is "easy".

And SMN is the most useless job in the game.. Yeah.. Right.. That's why I have a friend who's like 74(don't remember, he'll stab me for it too) Maurinendalorin.. SMN's Bloodpacts can do 1000+ damage post-70..

Anyways, again no job is "easy". To some, it may be, and kudos to you for that..

But yeah, without skill, good gear is useless..

MNK is easy.
 
xKronox said:
How many people have Winged boots +1?

People who really need that extra def.......sorry but Winged Boots +1 are the most ridiculous waste of money. The are not Uber they are a waste of money.
 
xKronox said:
I was going to post some long fucking reply, but I just said fuck it.

I don't know why you guys realize how simple it is.

Fuck someone with good gear.

Fuck someone with good skill.

Give me someone with both.




Also let me break it down to you the differnce between "Good gear" and "OMFG, or 'uber' gear".


O.kote- Good gear.
B. Kote- uber gear.
Scorpian Harness- Good gear.
Scorpain Harness HQ- uber gear.
Haubergeon- Good gear.
Hauby HQ- uber gear.
emperor hairpin- good gear
O.hat - uber gear.

Do you understand? Just from what your LS says, or what people in jeuno say, there is better gear, from what you have, and what you have it common. For christsakes, everyone has once had a pair or two of leaping boots. How many people have Winged boots +1?

Buddy you made some mistakes. Everything I highlited for you, you do not need to be good, and do sufficient damage. :P

Scorp. Harness being GOOD gear?? No, AF is good gear, a 5 million peice of armor is not just good gear...

Emp. Pin is good gear??? Noct gear is good gear, AF is good gear, again, Emp. Pin. is not just "good gear". Same goes for O. Kote. I dont see every Tom, Dick and Harry shelling out a mil. for "good gear".

Optical Hat? Um..... Lv70 Rare/Ex armor ... It better be fucking GREAT for what you have to do for it!
 
i know mages who have vermillion cloak and take 5 mins to remove petrification or cast silena.So skill > equip... but if u have skill then equip makes it easier to do a good job.
 
The funny part is i doubt that ochidoes kotes makes the nins hit harder... i've heard people saying they didn't notice a difference and put the shit back at AH.
 
Seawolf said:
Get a fucking clue, or play the damned job before you say it's hard or easy.

Rangers DO do twice the job of other DD's just to clarify. Not only are they expected to know when/how to do their job, they have to pull as well. Considering that you are a level 40 Thief, you understand how this can be difficult. A GOOD Ranger will not pull links back every other pull, or lets be crazy...once in a single session! I link occasionally, but there are so many other players who I am sure link a lot more than I do. And yes, Rangers are a much different job to play. I have the potential to basically steal hate on a whim. What other job can say that! I only do this in critical situations obviously, when the mages are out of mp (cant recall when this happened last) or the tank is one hit away from death. And just to let you know, when shit hits the fan...I can handle my part of the bargain when I need to. Whats that? An add? Well why dont I disengage, grab that one, take it away and shadowbind it? Hey that will give the party about a minute to finish up with the first mob. How many times have I asked a Rdm for gravity so I could kite an add and not get it? Lets not mention the fact that when shit DOES hit the fan, its gonna be the Ranger who ends the fight quickly by unloading Slug Shot, Barrage, EES, Slug Shot.

Hmm let me think. A Drk has to do what? Every five minutes I will stack Soul Eater for my WS and then remove it! That takes a ton of thought process. I have yet to meet a Drk that does anything else to contribute. Stun or whatever else. I am not bashing them, but they just dont take as much effort as Ranger. People think Rangers just hit a macro over and over.

Moving on to Whm... Please explain to me what is so difficult. You Haste the melees that need it. You erase or whatever when its needed. And you cure. Half the time, white mages need to be reminded of this stuff in my experience. I find Whm to be harder at low levels because you are expected to debuff more.

Pld... Please you cant even begin to insinuate that a Pld is half as tough as Nin. All they do is spam their macros to get as much hate as possible. Am I wrong? If I am then please tell me I am and tell me how I am. When I know Im going to pull hate and going to need cover, I go behind the Pld so he can cover. When the Pld runs in front of me to cover when I am about to kill the mob...what good is it?

Now I am not basing any job in the least. I think every job has their place in a party. I dont see a Drg or Smn and immediatly dismiss them from thought. I know Mnks can just about outdamage me at this point. I have a pretty good grasp of the game. I have the basic idea down about the jobs that are in the game...except Smn, still seems beyond me. (Cubswoo, Im sorry man. I knew I had forgotten one job but couldnt place my finger onto it. :cry: )

On the other hand, some of the jobs that take "less skill" are those jobs that usually have to spend an ass load more. Monks, I cant image. I got off easy in that I have pretty good gear and only invested about 2 million into it.

I do intend to play these jobs, with the exception of mages cause I cant stand em, to some degree or another. Again, if I am wrong, and you think that a Drk, Drg, Mnk, War, etc can compare in difficulty to a Ranger or Thief.... please tell me how. Cause I am dying to know.

Faedryth
 
Everything is what it is, because it is the only thing that it is not. An apple is an apple because it is not a wallet, turnip, cow etc...

You get the best Equiped group and the best settup and you get to do something magical:

You get to attack the mob by trying to go against your group.

Picture:
Nin/War
Thf/Nin
Rng/Nin
Blm/Whm
Brd/Whm
Rdm/Blm

Now. if all have the right Skill and gear:

Nin tries to keep hate.
Thief tries to help Nin.
Ranger and Blm try to take hate.
Brd tries to play both sides and buff both halves so they can go at it harder.
RDM tries to play neutral just enfeeb the mob and Haste/heal/refresh everyone.

Cooperation through competiton.
 
well I have "good" gear i think and I do my damndest to keep hate in a pt (anyone who's pt'd with me knows that) Lemme see...I have Nikkarioe(sp) AF Zushio, Chakram(ranged), Walkure Mask, Willpower Torque (I think MP+10, EVA+5), 2xDodge earrings, Jujitsu Gi(body), Ryl.Sqr.Gauntlets(the 30 Acc+2 ones), 2 AGI+3 rings, Nomad Mantle, Survival Belt, Jujitsu Sitabaki(legs), and Fuma Kyahan(feet)

That's decent gear i think =/ and I use Squid Sushi for damage and AGI+ (for better hate) and still keep hate well in a RNGx2 BLMx2 WHM pt set what does everyone else say about my gear...

On the subject tho, I'd rather have the NIN with AF and spams Ninjutsu, and Vokes, rather than the excellent gear with no ability to hold hate...
 
xKronox said:
I was going to post some long fucking reply, but I just said fuck it.

I don't know why you guys realize how simple it is.

Fuck someone with good gear.

Fuck someone with good skill.

Give me someone with both.




Also let me break it down to you the differnce between "Good gear" and "OMFG, or 'uber' gear".


O.kote- Good gear.
B. Kote- uber gear.
Scorpian Harness- Good gear.
Scorpain Harness HQ- uber gear.
Haubergeon- Good gear.
Hauby HQ- uber gear.
emperor hairpin- good gear
O.hat - uber gear.

Do you understand? Just from what your LS says, or what people in jeuno say, there is better gear, from what you have, and what you have it common. For christsakes, everyone has once had a pair or two of leaping boots. How many people have Winged boots +1?

First Wingboots +1 are a damn waste of gil IMO, I sure as hell aint paying a mil for 2 Def. If they gave more then D then I would argue they where important, as is it is a show off piece nothing more. Gimme the lower lvl LL boots anyday.

Secondly I think you should change the words good to great and uber to fan fucken tastic. I think "Good" is more on the lines of AF and the HQ of more standard gear.
 
wolfskymoon said:
i know mages who have vermillion cloak and take 5 mins to remove petrification or cast silena.So skill > equip...

One instance does not a rule make. I think people are finally getting on board to the fact that you need both. A Blm can be the most skillful player around, but it does no good if he keeps getting half resists. A Drk may stun every bomb or -aga, know the use of souleater, but if he cant actually hit the mob...


Anderithe said:
How is LFG forever easy?

What are you doing while LFP? Nothin. What's easier than doing nothing? :P
 
But honestly now...how in the hell could you people say you'd rather have the great gear but low skill or w/e, if it's anything but Great skill low skill why even invite them...?

I mean why not just get the person you know is good at what they do and may not have the best gear or w/e as long as their gear isnt all lv 18 at lv 50 I'll be ok (:P);
 
One other thing I like reading. A ninja or whatever that is spending millions of gil on SH, EH, SRx2, etc... is not gonna have a problem keeping hate most likely. This is the person that busted their ass for money and takes the time to learn their job.

The rare exceptions are those that received their items from a friend which I honestly think are about as a person who buys gil. This person misleads others by thinking they took the time to learn their job, when all they did was recieve a handout. Most often they cant compare to one who studied.

In my other post.. basing = bashing.

Fae
 
To be honest. This whole thread is fucking bullshit.. Sorry to say it..

You know what the honest to god truth is?

You take what you can get.
There really isn't much left on our server. We can wax poetic all day about this, that, and another thing, but the honest to god fact is, you take what you can get.

If the above statement was false, then why are your flames about a three hour+ party that sucked? Why didn't you leave the party? It's because you were LFG for six hours and you finally got asked for an invite. OR it's because you been trying to put together a Party for 3 hours and FINALLY a Paladin pops up on the search.

So fuck it:

Gear > Skill > Gear

Availability > Skill &/or Gear

It's sad.
I think I have only had 4 good tanks in my last 30 or so parties.
When I go out with Bigboy and Talindra and just goofing off with the two of them killing Demons and shit and we pull in 2k/hr have a metric fuckton more fun, or get into a party and make 3k/hr with a shit tank, and had to wait 4 hours to do just that...
 
Lol in all honesty Phraust is too right. Although, I must say... at the upper 50's and lower 60's ranges (as im sure some have outpaced me), there are quite a few good people right now. Especially monks :shock: . I have had 3 parties with monks over the last couple days, and all were about 5-6k an hour! Course those parties all had bards too 8) .

Fae
 
Phraust said:
You take what you can get.
There really isn't much left on our server. We can wax poetic all day about this, that, and another thing, but the honest to god fact is, you take what you can get.

If the above statement was false, then why are your flames about a three hour+ party that sucked? Why didn't you leave the party? It's because you were LFG for six hours and you finally got asked for an invite. OR it's because you been trying to put together a Party for 3 hours and FINALLY a Paladin pops up on the search.

It's because all the GOOD players are out leveling Thf so they can quit ruining the economy and camp NMs the RIGHT way! :lol:

Sorry I couldn't resist... [/url]
 
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