Health care bill passed in house

For the moron who says the heart is formed at 18 days....get pregnant and watch that heart stop beating on the monitor like I did. I lost TWINS at 14 weeks. Just because you get pregnant, there is not 100% assurance you will have a live baby. People who claim a fetus is alive at that stage should be sterlized so not to breed more people like them. My brother wife carried daughters to 6 months along and was forced to abort them when the ultrasound showed that they were missing vital organs. MIND YOU they had a heart beat. What about baby Terrisa who was born with only a brain stem? Her heart sure was beating, but the body was just a functional mindless thing that died because it could not grow. Maybe you should ponder what makes something alive.

FYI I have had 6 pregnancies and of them only 4 live births. I did not even look pregnant at 9 months. I am not fat, I just carried on my back. I did not have any nausea. With 3 of the pregnancies I slept more. The other 3 I was doing my usual things. You would never have known I was pregnant. I skip cycles, so waiting that 28 days and going hmmmm I am late when you KNOW you skip does not mean so much. My sister, my mother and I all got pregnant while using birth control.

Perhaps you should have read my post, instead of going on a personal-story rampage. I said biologically, because arguing otherwise is a crap-shoot.
 
The whole "paying for abortion" argument is obviously a very sensitive issue for a lot of people, but that doesn't make what they're saying true. Whether or not you agree with abortion is irrelevant, as is how many pregnancies you yourself have had. The opinions that matter here are how people feel about having to pay for you own abortion.

Personally, I think you should have to pay for your own abortion if you choose to have one. Like Linh already said, there are MANY alternatives, including adoption, passing care of the child onto a family member, and more. Yes, most of these options, when tallying up the cost until the child turns into a self-providing adult, will total more than the cost of the abortion, but that is life, in more than one sense - that's life - ie c'est la vie - and that is actually what life is all about, expense.

I feel like I'm copying everything Linh said, but what the fuck. If you choose to have sex, you choose to run the risk of getting pregnant. No matter how many precautions you take, you can never be certain of avoiding pregnancy unless you avoid sex altogether - and no, this isn't unreasonable. Sex is hobby, albeit an extremely enjoyable one I'm pretty fond of myself. It is NOT a need, as so many people, including professionals, like to make out it is. If you avoid having sex, you cannot get, or get someone else, pregnant. You make the choice to have sex, you run the risk of getting pregnant, and the responsibility of paying for either aborting the pregnancy or raising the child is "YOURS ALONE".

The argument that these unwanted children will end up costing society money in the future, to me, isn't an argument against paying for your own abortion, it's an argument for changing the welfare system that runs amok in the US, UK, and many more countries. The solution to stopping people leeching from the Goverment (or taxpayer's pockets, to cut the bullshit) isn't to prevent certain things from happening (drug addiction, smoking, unwanted pregnancies etc.), it's to massively revamp all welfare. I'm of the opinion that if people knew there would be no government hand-outs should they leave school early, take drugs, participate in criminal activity (thus reducing their employability etc.), the notion of bucking up their ideas and sorting their lives out would be far more attractive.

In my country, you can earn more sitting on benefits than many people who work full-time. The people who get a torrid time in the media, and from normal people, are these people who sit on benefits and do nothing all day but sponge from taxpayers, but I ask you something - can you blame them? If you had a family to provide for, and you were offered one of the following 2 options, which would YOU pick?

1) Sit in your house all day, having your rent paid for you, given an obscene amount of money every month to buy food, clothes, cigarettes and alcohol in addition to TV's and various forms of entertainment, and being able to provide everything your family needs without ever leaving your house.

2) Struggling to keep/find a steady job to provide an income for your family (or even just yourself), trying to keep up rent/mortgage payments while being taxed up the ass to pay for anyone who picked option 1, and dealing with any problems like stress that come with working your ass off for god-knows how many hours a week.

The correct option, hard as it is, is 2. However, when your main concern is your family, who you have been able to support until the current reccession, you do whatever it takes to provide for them. If I weren't able to provide for my family through my job, and I was offfered a job without enough pay to provide for my dependants, I'd certainly pick number 1.

People on welfare aren't the ones to blame here, the government who allows these people to sit and have everything handed to them while actively DISCOURAGING people from working are the ones to blame. Take away welfare, and you'll find these people out begging for the jobs they wouldn't touch before.
 
People on welfare aren't the ones to blame here, the government who allows these people to sit and have everything handed to them while actively DISCOURAGING people from working are the ones to blame. Take away welfare, and you'll find these people out begging for the jobs they wouldn't touch before.

Bing bing bing bing, we have a winner!
 
I don't know shit about Welfare, but I do know for EI here (that's the money the Government takes away incase you need it for a rainy day, like being laidoff from a job etc) you have to prove you are actively looking for work or they will stop sending you the money previously earned and had taken from you. You will not qualify if you quit a job, even if it was the worst job in the world and you planned on getting another asap. You do not qualify if you get fired from a job for complete bs reasons, like personal, because the employer found some red tape to drown you in.

Nice eh =) oh and that was kinda off topic, but partially onish?
 
Nice eh =) oh and that was kinda off topic, but partially onish?

Not really, I personally don't begrudge someone for collecting unemployment benefits if they were for example laid off from their job. That's what its there for especially in this type of economy.

Welfare is a different animal. It enables the losers in life to not have to contribute to society and be paid to do nothing. Are there people who should be on welfare? Yeah... but the system is so corrupt that there are literally millions of people completely leaching off of it who shouldn't be getting one red cent.
 
Not really, I personally don't begrudge someone for collecting unemployment benefits if they were for example laid off from their job. That's what its there for especially in this type of economy.

Welfare is a different animal. It enables the losers in life to not have to contribute to society and be paid to do nothing. Are there people who should be on welfare? Yeah... but the system is so corrupt that there are literally millions of people completely leaching off of it who shouldn't be getting one red cent.

I'm pretty sure the exact same shit goes on here.

My brother has been on Welfare for GOD ONLY KNOWS how many years. I wish they would cut him off ><

He never works, refuses to take jobs paying minimum wage because idk, he's better than that, but his resume lacks sooo fucking much I wouldn't even pay him minimum wage at his age.

I think it's hard though. If the Government were to have it set-up somewhat like probation, where you have to check in with an agent every couple weeks proving progress or lack-there-of. /shrugs

I haven't the foggiest the way Welfare works at the moment.

I do know how Maternity, Parental Leave and EI works. But it's all relative to my job.
 
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