Illegal Immigrants, support or against?

Bigboy said:
Whats the point of becoming a legal immigrant if there is no penalty for being an illegal one?

Hmm... If they are deported, stop all their money transfers, keep them from taking the money with them & put it back into the economy? Or take out taxes they didn't pay while here & for whatever is left (probably nothing), put that amount next to their name in a database, so should they return legal the money will be there.
 
a lot of illegals do pay taxes, they have to be on payroll (except for those who are in front of home depot) and often use fake (someone elses ss number). They get taxed for this, but never get that money returned. Ask the IRS where that money goes, cause there is a lot.
 
Sneakypants said:
lol @ Christmas Tree.

It's always been a Christmas Tree. It didn't offend people...Not until certain people showed up and started bitching. It's still Christmas and it's still merry ya bastids. Get bent.

I'll be over here ignoring all your stupid holidays and beliefs because I don't care. Yeah, ignoring is the best they'll get. It's more of a harmony to ignore and not care than to move in and try to slowly take over via bitching and whining that things just aren't the way they'd like. WTF? Shut ass, bitches.

exactly. people that dont like christmas should ignore it. i agree fully. however, religious activities should not be conducted on public property, b/c it is illigal.

Who are the certain people that showed up and started bitching?
 
Sirelrohir said:
exactly. people that dont like christmas should ignore it. i agree fully. however, religious activities should not be conducted on public property, b/c it is illigal.

Who are the certain people that showed up and started bitching?


Does this really even need justification?

If you think so, therein lies the source of the problem.
 
Trippyhippy said:
Freedom of religion is one of the best things about this country and it is taken for granted by the people that fall into the majority when classified religously.

Amen. As Bill Maher so aptly put it recently, a lot of Christians today only seem to be good at turning water into whining. When I hear about the "War on Christmas" I always start to laugh at the absurdity of saying there's a war against a holiday celebrated by probably 90% of the U.S. population.

As for illegal immigrants... if you ask me I'll say "Yeah, by all means... go through legal channels and get citizenship the correct way. If you're here illegally, you're breaking the law and should be sent home." I don't really care enough to do much about it, since for me it's largely an academic issue.

Mostly I'm amused that an administration which has spent the last few years thumping its chest about national security seems flummoxed when it comes to a simple idea like securing the borders.

Edit: I had a lady call the newspaper to bitch me out one day because of a column I wrote. She said this was a great country before people like me -- meaning atheists -- came and that I should go back to where I came from. All I could ask her was "Boone County?"
 
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The problem I have is not an influx of immigration or the resulting increase of unemployment, it's simply that very often illegal immigrants don't pay taxes.

Why this is a problem? Besides the fact we're losing so much money.

Well let's say we are in competition. My restaurant hires legal workers, immigrants or not, doesn't matter. Your restaurant hires illegals. By paying them under minimum wage and by paying them under the table, you have a clear advantage over me, forcing me to either go out of business or lower my wages.

For this reason those "shitty jobs" as they're called that are dominated by illegals are made low paying. They aren't low paying because nobody wants to do them. They're low paying because anyone CAN do them. The result is anyone in those fields has to compete with people who don't obey our laws therefore have a clear advantage.

I'm all for immigration population control limits, but people here working illegally make life hell basically for less educated workers who have to compete with them while obeying the laws. It's not like doctors and lawyers have to compete with them, but people in jobs that don't require much education do.

Who we really should go after is not the immigrants but the companies who break the law using them and run honest companies out of business. As for illegals who make at least minimum wage and somehow pay taxes(sorry if I have to doubt that), I've got no qualms. I think our economy can more than support them and it motivates natural born citizens to seek higher education.
 
Ok so now that we wasted 13 pages, how about some opinions on what America should do?
 
Sirelrohir said:
exactly. people that dont like christmas should ignore it. i agree fully. however, religious activities should not be conducted on public property, b/c it is illigal.

Who are the certain people that showed up and started bitching?

Rather than flaming your OBVIOUS ignorance.. Explain yourself and your absolute STUPID comment.
Illegal? I don't think so. Freedom of religion says "Fuck you" in that. It's a holiday where 90% of the country is SHUT DOWN. Show me the law that states having a religious display is illegal on public property.

And the Hitler bit, was a bit much.. Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense. Hitler was insane, he's a one in a billion freak.
Fact remains, this country was founded by christian beliefs, fuck yourself on the intriquicies. You don't like the Crucifix up on a hill to memorialize dead soldiers? Turn the fuck away. (look up the big issue down in Cali that recently went by due to some athiest moron) This country cares too much about making the minorities happy and fucking the majority, that's the problem. Should stop worrying so much about the bullshit whiney fucks who don't like how the county was made. If this country is so terrible in its ways and leadership... Get the fuck out. Period. Move to some other GREAT country like Mexico or France.
 
Shaidalyn said:
If this country is so terrible in its ways and leadership... Get the fuck out.

Or do the American thing and change the system from within via votes and natural progression.
 
Neyla said:
Or do the American thing and change the system from within via votes and natural progression.

Rather than have 1/10000 decide everything? The democrats would never be on the "winnng side" then.
 
You're fucking clueless. If minorities should have no say in anything then we don't want to hear anymore bitching about your not being able to get married since you're a dyke.
 
Neyla said:
Or do the American thing and change the system from within via votes and natural progression.

Actually that's more the isreali/australian/english/every other democracy but american thing... check the stats, compared to the rest of the world we simply don't vote nor have we for quite some time, way to be jadedly idealistic tho, keep that flag waving.

Edit: just so we're clear the whole most recent "attack on christmas" was all on TBN and Fox news to sell a few books and give fallwell an excuse to do more fundraising for god who couldn't be financially pressed to defend himself.
 
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I'm actually more pragmatic than idealist, but "love it or leave it" fascists like Windaria annoy the shit out of me since kicking people out for having different ideas is the most un-American notion one can cook up.
 
Omniscientx said:
Ok so now that we wasted 13 pages, how about some opinions on what America should do?

We can START by actually using the guns that border guards have.
"You there, stop or I'll shoot"
/mexisprint
BANG
problem solved.

We can go to that underground tunnel bullshit, that you could drive a mack truck through, and fill the damn thing up with cement rather than to pretend like it doesn't exist.

The people that come over inside car seats and wheel wells and shit...Wrap their asses back up in that and send them back.



As for the illegals that are here...The government has money. They should spend a tad on finding out where these people are, offer them a chance to become a legal citizen AFTER serving a prison sentence OR if they don't like that option, dump them from a plane.
 
Neyla said:
I'm actually more pragmatic than idealist, but "love it or leave it" fascists like Windaria annoy the shit out of me since kicking people out for having different ideas is the most un-American notion one can cook up.

I take it you're not a bush voter by this statement, in the event i'm wrong i hope you get hit by lightning.
 
Mokk said:
I take it you're not a bush voter by this statement, in the event i'm wrong i hope you get hit by lightning.

I'm a Libertarian. We have more bones to pick with that guy than even the most vehement Democrat.
 
Mokk said:
Just so we're clear the whole most recent "attack on christmas" was all on TBN and Fox news to sell a few books and give fallwell an excuse to do more fundraising for god who couldn't be financially pressed to defend himself.

I agree where that comes from, but a distressing number of people around here (I live in the Bible Belt, somewhere near the third notch) completely buy into that every year. How big can one religion's persecution complex get?

And Neyla nailed it, Shaidalyn: a self-professed lesbian like yourself should be more familiar with the idea of the minority needing protection from the tyranny of the majority.
 
Neyla said:
I'm actually more pragmatic than idealist, but "love it or leave it" fascists like Windaria annoy the shit out of me since kicking people out for having different ideas is the most un-American notion one can cook up.

So its okay for some whiney brat to up and think the WHOLE COUNTRY should change the way it exists to not "offend" them? Fuck that. That's bullshit. And I don't complain I can't "marry" actually, research up a bit and know I'm actually AGAINST gay "marriage" as "marriage" is a religious joining of two people. I just figure civil unions should be taken more seriously. Thanks~
 
Shaidalyn said:
So its okay for some whiney brat to up and think the WHOLE COUNTRY should change the way it exists to not "offend" them?

Who's the whiny brat of which you speak?
 
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