its official, rng was nerfed.

[Marajade]

yeah, but you're 73 with INT to resist that damned Paralyze

and dont forget that ice+ on INT rings lol

i'll say one thing, that paralyze is similar to Torama paralyze ~_~

 

[Hronorigger]

shhhhh =P not to mention my staff does 100-150 a pop to those goobues

But I still find Sleep bolt spam is pretty damn good. even my thief as a lvl 29 thief can solo yuhtunga mandies . If you can stand at a distance build tp with sleep bolts run @ full damaged distance and slug you should be able to solo pretty easily.

I think I saw stouter/lucylittle solo Elder Goobues and even get a chain 2 or 3. Thats a pretty amazing feet (although it was prepatch) I'm pretty sure after the patch he could improvise and stand at a distance and spam sleep bolts until he had enough to slug again.

I think its just a matter of skill and how you approach different mobs you wanna solo.

 

[Marajade]

you have any idea how much sleep bolts COST? i'm already hurting needing the Bloodies while soloing, i DONT want to add another 7k-stack item to my farming.

 

[Rappa]

useing the same argument, why didnt all the melee DD play RNG? would have stopped the whining all right.

Please, please tell me you're joking. Yes, why think for yourself when you can be the cookie-cutter dmg dealer?

 

[Marajade]

useing the same argument, why didnt all the melee DD play RNG? would have stopped the whining all right.

Please, please tell me you're joking. Yes, why think for yourself when you can be the cookie-cutter dmg dealer?

wow, the sarcasim just FLEW Over your head didnt it.

 

[Rappa]

useing the same argument, why didnt all the melee DD play RNG? would have stopped the whining all right.

Please, please tell me you're joking. Yes, why think for yourself when you can be the cookie-cutter dmg dealer?

wow, the sarcasim just FLEW Over your head didnt it.

Well after reading the rest of your elitist drivel, this fits in pretty well. :roll:

 

[deathsvengeance]

useing the same argument, why didnt all the melee DD play RNG? would have stopped the whining all right.

Please, please tell me you're joking. Yes, why think for yourself when you can be the cookie-cutter dmg dealer?

wow, the sarcasim just FLEW Over your head didnt it.

well... sarcasm doesn't translate well over the INTERNET

 

[Marajade]

Well after reading the rest of your elitist drivel, this fits in pretty well. :roll:

*le sigh* sorry if i came of as "elitist." Was not my intention. My intention was to point out MY side of the argument.

I'd like to know how you would feel in my position. Ive just had the job that ive invested countless hours and millions of Gil, a job that i love to play, suddenly Nailed to a post, and had its arms and legs cut off.

I'm prety sure you'd be upset at the people saying "oh, its not so bad, all you have to do is totaly re-learn the job, hope every other member of your party is an expert player, and never be able to solo anything that isnt 30 levels below you"

 

[Marajade]

useing the same argument, why didnt all the melee DD play RNG? would have stopped the whining all right.

Please, please tell me you're joking. Yes, why think for yourself when you can be the cookie-cutter dmg dealer?

wow, the sarcasim just FLEW Over your head didnt it.

well... sarcasm doesn't translate well over the INTERNET

i actualy pointed out the flaw in my statement on the next line down. If it were just that statement, i could see the confusion.

 

[Peregrine]

I'd like to know how you would feel in my position. Ive just had the job that ive invested countless hours and millions of Gil, a job that i love to play, suddenly Nailed to a post, and had its arms and legs cut off.

Join me up here on the post, then. I've invested more hours. Tens of millions of gil. But here's the thing: I had my legs cut off at birth, and this post is all I know.

You're right though. The well-intending ranger pays for the update along with the exploiter.

 

[Rappa]

What would I do if my job got "nerfed"? I'd sit back and try to figure out what I can do to make up for it. I'd consider it something of a challenge, personally. Yes, I can see why you are upset, but I feel that everyone is overreacting, and especially are taking it out on all of the "lower" DDs, saying it's their fault that the precious rangers got "nerfed". I'm sick of people saying "Thanks a lot guys, you ruined our job!" Believe it or not guys, there are a lot of DD who don't give a rat's ass that rangers can do more damage. I don't care honestly, I worry about my character and what I need to do to make my character do the maximum damage.

 

[Meximan]

Meh while they nerfed rng my I think it will give other jobs a better chance of getting pts. In xp pts there where times when I would out DD a rng, and with this gimping of their dmg I guess this means drk > rng cause my Spiral Hell still does 2k+dmg

 

[Darkdante]

But if you look at the positive side, at least being called a "ranger" will really mean something now, since you have to use range.

And you can also say if your the best ranger its because of "your skill" and not "your time".

I'd say this just brings more bragging rights for the best ranger, instead of simply saying you have the best equipment. YOu can now say your the best ranger simply because you play it.

I'd say thats the way it should be.

But what do I know, my ranger is the only job I have still at level 1.

 

[Seawolf]

useing the same argument, why didnt all the melee DD play RNG? would have stopped the whining all right.

oh thats right, you wanna be a WAR. You like it because its cool, you get to swing that big axe around and smack the hell out of somthing.

Me? i wanna be a ranger. they're cool. Thier AF just screams "cool," and they get Guns! How cool are Guns?!

some of us didnt pick the job just to be "uber l337 DD" We picked it for the same reason you picked War. Its US who are most hurt by this update.

Nothing I can disagree. I'm just saying that RNGs should stop insulting other people who play melees because they got nerfed. If they were put in the same shoes as us melees (ie. RNG being the weak job from the start), they would do the same.

On average, how much do you spend per battle? Not includeing food, since RNG and WAR should be useing similarly priced food in an EXP party.

If it's me you want to know about, in every party I join in the future it's gonna be roughly 100k for 3 hours. If it's WAR in general, about 25k for 3 hours.

(oh, and BTW, i could outspend your WAR on gear 3-1)

No doubt about that. There is no limit to the amount of gil we can put in our jobs. I'm just saying my 10mil WAR should do better dmg than the 2mil RNG, I'm not comparing myself to you.

No, its not the end of RNG. But its the end of RNG in an exp party with anything other than a PLD.

RNG cannon is GONE. RNGx2 BLMx2 is GONE. RNG + NIN is GONE. RNG + THF is almost gone.

All RNG can do now is be with a PLD, and stand at the back. Missing any BRD songs, catching aggro in small camps, maybe SCing with a regular Melee.

True. But I think we should give it time and wait until everything stablelized first then discuss the role of RNG after update.

Erm, our ability to solo ANYTHING that isnt 30 lvls below us is gone.

Tried to solo a Gobbue in Zi'tah. Had to use Barrage AND Shadowbind just to survive.

Er...are you serious? My DRK56 friend farms goobbues there quite often, and he never died >.>

This is sorta like the mages complaining about old spells not being sellable, but it goes beyond that. WHM has almost zero use for Cure1, but PLing a friend in the dunes, or helping that lvl 30 get thier Kazham keys, you gonna use Cure4/5?

Once ive shot an arrow, its not coming back. I cant use all those Bronze bolts from lvl 1-10 again when soloing crap in Gustaberg. They're gone. Gotta buy new ones.

also, most melee engame gear consists of Rare/EX stuff from quests/NMs/Dynamis, Once a WAR has that Kirins Osode, he gonna hang on to that dusty ol Hauberk? probably not.

You got good points about mage spell being different from ammo. But to me:

The cost of a job is the amount of gil you spend into it to get it to 75 and do endgame stuff until you quit. How much gil and properties you have at the time you quit is irrelevant.

For example: a RNG spent 20mil on his job until he quitted, 5mil in gear and 15mil in ammo; a WAR also spent 20mil, but he got 19mil in gear. Now you say that the RNG's 15mil is lost and the WAR still got 19mil. But does it matter at the end when you quit?

You could argue that people play other jobs as well. But keep in mind that playing a high-demand job gives you many more opportunities at participating in profitting activities like God fights, ENMs, BCNMs, etc...so you guys are richer than us most likely

Edit: I will now respect anyone who keeps pursuing the path of RNG despite the nerf, much like I respected any DRG who sticks to their job till the end. (not that my respect worth more than 0.5 gil to anyone =/)

 

[Darkdante]

I'd even go far as to say this may make the economy better since people may/may not concentrate on skill rather than gear now.

Or not...........

Oh well nice try.

 

[Sethala]

Just want to adress a few things on here...

There's 3 main complaints I see RNGs (or anyone else hating this part of the update) saying:

Now I can't do full damage after pulling hate off the tank

*hits you over the head with a mallet* Then don't pull hate off the tank, dummy!

Seriously, this really only means that RNGs will have to learn the meaning of "damage control". They can't just stand right at the mob and spam arrows/bullets/bolts, they actually have to avoid stealing hate. Hm, sounds a lot like BLM... Plus, if you do steal hate, the new Utsusemi "nerf" will mean you lose hate from losing shadows faster, so the tank can get hate back easier. Same goes for any DD job that subs NIN and risks pulling hate when they don't want it.

I spend more money on my job than (insert random DD job here) do, I should be doing better!

This is somewhat valid, but first I want to point out something. I want someone to come here and say just how much an "average" RNG should spend on gear and ammo (not food) to go from 1 to 65-70. Right now, my DRK has over 5 mil invested in gear, and the only real "uber" item I have is a haubergeon, which is more or less the norm for DRKs at this level. Yes, you do spend a few million more than me. But RNGs don't have to drop a few mil on one piece of gear just to not be gimp. It's not 15 or 10 million more, I think, more like 5.

It's now nearly impossible to party with THFs...

This argument is pretty valid, I think. There's a few different suggestions I have. First one is, obviously, don't party with a THF. Not exactly the best option, but it is still an option. Next, maybe invite another melee to the party to try getting hate for the THF's SATA. Perhaps a DRK/THF/RNG setup would work, with the DRK subbing WAR. Provoke and use Cross Reaper to pull hate off the tank, RNG use Arching Arrow/Heavy Shot, making Fusion, then THF use Shark Bite and close Light. Or, use ranged attacks from a distance, then when the chain's ready use your WS and run up to the mob. Or bite the bullet, run up to the mob, and then use a WS and take the damage penalty.

Also, side note: RNGs now have a very good reason to avoid pulling hate. One of the main reasons to going RNG/NIN was so that if and when you did pull hate, you didn't go splat in 5 seconds (the other reason was to dual weild weapons that give +ranged attack/accuracy buffs). Perhaps now RNGs can think of a different sub to use? Does Berserk boost ranged attack too? If it does, maybe RNG/WAR would be an option, and then you can use arrows more sparingly and still deal the same damage?

 

[Halifirien]

Erm, our ability to solo ANYTHING that isnt 30 lvls below us is gone. Tried to solo a Gobbue in Zi'tah. Had to use Barrage AND Shadowbind just to survive.

Welcome to WHM world.

Hopefully all this will shake out in a week or two as everyone gets used to the new dynamics. I agree it sucks that they waited so long to make the change, but look how long it took them to revamp fishing.

 

[meeze]

Why have different jobs in a game, if you want everyone to do the same amount of damage?

 

[decidence]

I dont think this will be such a big deal...

Rangers just have to close skillchains now all the time so at least if the mob moves it will be after the skillchain.

As for solo'ing I dunno... dont sleep bolts still work?

 

[Darkdante]

- So skill becomes more of a factor than it has been in the past.

- So dragoons and other DD get some love too.

- So things arn't the same as they were for the past 2 years.

- Too make the ranger job interesting again, especially for those that feel they are "masters" of it.

- To give you something else to complain about.