Judge overturns Prop 8!

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SAN FRANCISCO – A federal judge overturned California's gay-marriage ban Wednesday in a landmark case that could eventually force the U.S. Supreme Court to confront the question of whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to wed.

The ruling by Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker touched off a celebration outside the courthouse. Gay couples waved rainbow and American flags and erupted with cheers in the city that has long been a magnet for gays.

Shelly Bailes embraced her wife Ellen Pontac as Bailes held a sign reading, "Life Feels Different When You're Married."

In New York City, about 150 people gathered in front of a lower Manhattan courthouse. They carried signs saying "Our Love Wins" as organizers read portions of the ruling.

Walker made his decision in a lawsuit filed by two gay couples who claimed the voter-approved ban violated their civil rights.

The ruling "vindicates the rights of a minority of our citizens to be treated with decency and respect and equality in our system," said former U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson, who delivered the closing argument at trial for opponents of the ban.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger also praised the ruling as an important step toward equality and freedom

Protect Marriage, the coalition of religious and conservative groups that sponsored the ban, said it would immediately appeal the ruling to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

"In America, we should uphold and respect the right of people to make policy changes through the democratic process, especially changes that do nothing more than uphold the definition of marriage that has existed since the founding of this country and beyond," said Jim Campbell, a lawyer on the defense team.

Despite the favorable ruling for same-sex couples, gay marriage will not be allowed to resume immediately.

Judge Walker said he wants to decide whether his order should be suspended while the proponents of the ban pursue their appeal. He ordered both sides to submit written arguments by Friday on the issue.

The appeal would go first to the 9th Circuit then to the U.S. Supreme Court if the high court justices agree to review it.

California voters passed the ban as Proposition 8 in November 2008, five months after the state Supreme Court legalized gay marriage.

Supporters argued the ban was necessary to safeguard the traditional understanding of marriage and to encourage responsible childbearing.

Walker, however, found it violated the Constitution's due process and equal protection clauses while failing "to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license."

"Indeed, the evidence shows Proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the California Constitution the notion that opposite-sex couples are superior to same-sex couples," the judge wrote in his 136-page ruling.

He also said proponents offered little evidence that they were motivated by anything other than animus toward gays — beginning with their campaign to pass the ban, which included claims of wanting to protect children from learning about same-sex marriage in school.

"Proposition 8 played on the a fear that exposure to homosexuality would turn children into homosexuals and that parents should dread having children who are not heterosexual," Walker wrote.

Walker heard 13 days of testimony and arguments since January during the first trial in federal court to examine if states can prohibit gays from getting married.

The plaintiffs presented 18 witnesses. Academic experts testified about topics ranging from the fitness of gay parents and religious views on homosexuality to the historical meaning of marriage and the political influence of the gay rights movement.

Olson teamed up with David Boies to argue the case, bringing together the two litigators best known for representing George W. Bush and Al Gore in the disputed 2000 election.

Defense lawyers called just two witnesses, claiming they did not need to present expert testimony because U.S. Supreme Court precedent was on their side. The attorneys also said gay marriage was an experiment with unknown social consequences that should be left to voters to accept or reject.

Former U.S. Justice Department lawyer Charles Cooper, who represented the religious and conservative groups that sponsored the ban, said cultures around the world, previous courts and Congress all accepted the "common sense belief that children do best when they are raised by their own mother and father."

In an unusual move, the original defendants, California Attorney General Jerry Brown and Schwarzenegger, refused to support Proposition 8 in court.

That left the work of defending the law to Protect Marriage, the group that successfully sponsored the ballot measure that passed with 52 percent of the vote after the most expensive political campaign on a social issue in U.S. history.

Currently, same-sex couples can only legally wed in Massachusetts, Iowa, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire and Washington, D.C.

The ruling puts Walker at the forefront of the gay marriage debate and marks the latest in a long line of high-profile legal decisions for the longtime federal judge.

He was appointed by Ronald Reagan, but his nomination was held up for two years in part because of opposition from gay rights activists. As a lawyer, he helped the U.S. Olympic Committee sue a gay ex-Olympian who had created an athletic competition called the Gay Olympics.

Walker is a Republican. He said he joined the party while at Stanford University during the Vietnam War protests, and spent two years clerking for a judge appointed by Richard Nixon.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100804/ap_on_re_us/us_gay_marriage_trial


I think I hear thousands of heterosexual marriages across the country being threatened, and the sky falling over California. Oh wait, what? No? Eveything's fine?
 
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It's only a matter of time before Satan himself rides up from Hell to take over the US for being such vile, immoral fiends. Amirite?
 
NO!!! PROP8 UNCONSTITUTIONAL?!?!? That means straight marriage is illegal!!!! NOW EVERYONE HAS TO GET GAY MARRIED!!! I'm going to temple.

But really, YAY!
 
Finally a step in the right direction.
 
Amazing how history repeats itself.... I see this going the exact same way as racism/civil rights.

Years of bitter arguments will pass and several generations down the road, Gay Marriage isn't going to be a huge deal. Our great grandchildren will look back and go "Wow...people were stupid back then" just like many of us do about extreme racism back in the day.
 
Being a homosexual is gay.
 
I just finished reading Judge Walker's 100+ page ruling and my gosh, that document is meticulous. The constitutional argument is powerful and the factual evidence cited is so well integrated and abundant that I would almost call it water-tight. The Courts can wrestle with the finer points of the law, but findings of fact are very difficult to ignore during appeals.

The crazies over on ant-gay have a formidable challange ahead of them. I wish them no luck whatsoever.
 
Amazing how history repeats itself.... I see this going the exact same way as racism/civil rights.

Years of bitter arguments will pass and several generations down the road, Gay Marriage isn't going to be a huge deal. Our great grandchildren will look back and go "Wow...people were stupid back then" just like many of us do about extreme racism back in the day.

You imply that racism and civil rights aren't a huge deal anymore. Nothing could be further from the truth, especially in places like the Southeast US and the more remote areas of the Pacific Northwest (i.e. most of the state of Idaho, a large hotbed of white supremacist activity).

USA Today's Faith and Reason bloggers wrote a neutral take on the ruling that I found was pretty good. They summed up the ruling's diction as Judge Walker saying to the religious finger-waggers "hey, listen; this isn't about you".

Honestly, my favorite portion of the ruling is this:

California's obligation is to treat its citizens equally, not to "mandate [its] own moral code."

Needless to say, the comments section is blowing up with moronic half-baked notions of "the will of the people of California" and "omg now my tax money is gonna force me to watch two dudes kissing".

Good on you, Judge Walker.
 
Struck down as an equal protection violation, I assume?

Now all we need is for someone to sue the state over the legal institution of marriage itself and we'll be in good shape.
 
Struck down as an equal protection violation, I assume?

Now all we need is for someone to sue the state over the legal institution of marriage itself and we'll be in good shape.

Struck down over everything. Equal Protection, Due Process. Judge Walker's ruling even went on to cite 80 findings of fact in favour of same-sex marriage as presented in the case, as well as declaring that the two "expert" defence witnesses were totally unqualified to provide testimony. Basically the defence has no case to carry through to appeals, on evidentiary grounds anyway. Only thing left to fight over is whether it's in the state's interests to discriminate against gay people, or whether it's rational to make constitutional changes based on morals.

Don't see that flying, even in a conservative supreme court line-up.
 
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You imply that racism and civil rights aren't a huge deal anymore. Nothing could be further from the truth, especially in places like the Southeast US and the more remote areas of the Pacific Northwest (i.e. most of the state of Idaho, a large hotbed of white supremacist activity).

I was more talking about how society has evolved from when the issue itself began. I would never say that racism is no longer an issue. Not by far. But society has come a long way in the way of acceptance and tolerance.

I believe the same will be for gay rights. It's a huge fiasco now. But eventually society is going to (hopefully) evolve and adapt into some form of understanding. Will it still be an issue in the future? Sure. Will racism? Sure. But it will eventually wane to the point where it's something you shrug off or laugh at someone for getting uptight about.

I'm sure we'll find something else to spaz over soon enough.
 
Yes, but we SHOULD be spazzing over immigration reform. Not whether one man wants state sanction to stick his penis in another man.
 
Yes, but we SHOULD be spazzing over immigration reform. Not whether one man wants state sanction to stick his penis in another man.

Good point unfortunately it seems everyone's business is supposed to be our business as well? I disagree but the more religious fanatics dont /sigh
 
Good. We need sassy gay people to be marrying equally sassy gay people. Only then can we form the sassy, dancing, haute couture wearing army of people.
 
Yes, but we SHOULD be spazzing over immigration reform. Not whether one man wants state sanction to stick his penis in another man.

We already have that right. We just want to be able to file joint tax returns after we're finished.

I read the decision last night, and the Prop 8 idiots got spanked and spanked HARD. The fun part is watching the anti-gay groups turning on each other to the point where one is practically accusing them of losing on purpose. It's delicious. I hope Maggie Gallagher is crying herself to sleep somewhere about how those icky, icky gays are making it impossible for her to have a traditional heterosexual marriage through their fairy magic.
 
We already have that right. We just want to be able to file joint tax returns after we're finished.

Hence the comment about state sanction.

I find it ironic that the people are saying we can't legislate a particular brand of morality, while the legal institution of marriage itself is the legislation of a particular brand of morality.
 
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I will spare no one. This is a step to my plan to destroy America! I will get married to a man, then we both will raise an army of married homosexuals and begin destroying the marriages of heterosexuals with our super powers. No one shall be spared, all straight marriages will be ruined, and I will rule this country muhahahahahahha!
 
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