Live and Let Die Jamal Pt. 2

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Hollie said:
Jamal you're too petty to let it be the end if I gave it back. I'm just going to drop it so nobody benefits from it
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That is probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
 
There are elements of this being an argument for/against point systems so ill add this...

If a point system is fair then it benefits everyone, its like cash, you earn it, you spend it, everyone gets paid for their time.

Hollie thinks this is unfair because people will quickly gain more points, well, yeah... People will gain more points... You don't get a part -time job, put in 15 hours then complain youre not getting paid the same as the fulltimers, thats bullshit.

HOWEVER, once you implement a point system the whole, "The gear belongs to the shell" crap goes right out the window, if that were true then you wouldnt need points since no one actually earns anything. Using the same analogy as above, if the part-timer is unhappy and quits, the employer can't say "Hey, we were kinda expecting you to stay around, so can you gives us back all the salary we gave you?"

Its nice to have loyal members that do like to see the shell do well, but jamal, face it, you and everyone else there, is there for gear. If the pieces were marginal at best do you think SnB would really be as successful as it is? hell no...

Its good that you have commitment values, its bad that you expect everyone else to have them.

Let the mail go, Hollie "earned it", and now hes gone, take comfort in the fact that he won't ever leave with something ever again.
 
Well I give it back Jamal wins, I keep it the battle wages on even though this my first time on the boards about this whole dispute. I get rid of it we all lose something. Done.
 
Could just give it back someone who's actually deserving of the piece and earned it could use it.

Oh hai guise i r liek teh Robin Hood of ffxi ..no you're not
 
Hollie said:
Well I give it back Jamal wins, I keep it the battle wages on even though this my first time on the boards about this whole dispute. I get rid of it we all lose something. Done.
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we lost something the day you took it and never came back.
 
Hollie said:
Well I give it back Jamal wins, I keep it the battle wages on even though this my first time on the boards about this whole dispute. I get rid of it we all lose something. Done.
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Yeah but that would just be a waste of all the work lol...
 
Grandphoenix said:
Could just give it back someone who's actually deserving of the piece and earned it could use it.

Oh hai guise i r liek teh Robin Hood of ffxi ..no you're not
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but technically he DID earn it, the system in place at the time presented a situation where it could have belonged to anyone present at the time, unless there was a stipulation mentioned before the items left the treasure pool then Hollie DID earn the piece and shouldn't have to give it back.
 
Hollie said:
Thank you motley some logical views most appreciated
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Dont thank me, as the leader of 2 shells where gentleman's agreements usually apply I would be extremely angry with you just as the remaining members of the shell are.

I however, am looking at the flaws in the system that allowed you to take that piece, I still think its pretty shitty that its gone.
 
motley said:
but technically he DID earn it, the system in place at the time presented a situation where it could have belonged to anyone present at the time, unless there was a stipulation mentioned before the items left the treasure pool then Hollie DID earn the piece and shouldn't have to give it back.
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I feel that by having shown up to help with the kill, everyone in the group "earned" the item, from there it was just luck of the draw as to who got the highest lot on it.

Then again, I'm not part of the leadership (or a member for that matter) so that view may not be agreed with.
 
motley said:
but technically he DID earn it, the system in place at the time presented a situation where it could have belonged to anyone present at the time, unless there was a stipulation mentioned before the items left the treasure pool then Hollie DID earn the piece and shouldn't have to give it back.
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The stipulation was all was LS property you yourself said

HOWEVER, once you implement a point system the whole, "The gear belongs to the shell" crap goes right out the window
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At the time the point system wasn't set but the stuff being LS property has been the same since day one either way. So it still would be ours.
 
Hollie said:
Jamal you're too petty to let it be the end if I gave it back. I'm just going to drop it so nobody benefits from it
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no this would make it worse really it should be give it back or just keep it in my opinion in either circurmstance giving back would be better than keeping it but under the pretenses it was given isn't entirely wrong nor right.


Hexx: You kinda confused me there with the crossfire except for Khidir part...what did that mean?
 
Seriously guys... Hollie earned that mail at that time, it's not like he ninja-lotted it and ran off. Just like others have said, just because he left, does not mean he has to give it back to the shell. Hollie has it, Hollie is not going to give it to the shell, why not just drop the subject? You're not going to get it back. I don't get why this argument is even going on truthfully.

Also: FREE KOTSU ; ;
 
K. Ishitar said:
no this would make it worse really it should be give it back or just keep it in my opinion in either circurmstance giving back would be better than keeping it but under the pretenses it was given isn't entirely wrong nor right.


Hexx: You kinda confused me there with the crossfire except for Khidir part...what did that mean?
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The PM exchange with Jamal, you were one of the innocents in this whole issue that got stuck in the middle of it to an extent. Thats what i meant.
 
Hollie said:
Well its nobody's now so stop attacking me, stop attacking my friends
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Are you fucking on crack? why would you do that!? At least slip it to me so i can pay my dynamis bill!

This is the biggest example of fail i have ever witnessed in this game.... god i dont even know what to say, you are gonna get runned right off this server.

I hope you screenshotted it or this si gonna be a whole 'nuther gaiters legend
 
that makes sense then no worries hexx
 
OMG, did you REALLY toss it? LOL cuz that would require some major HUEVOS!
 
Seriously guys, quit this free Kotsu bullshit otherwise I'll up the read only to a one month ban.
 
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