Lockerbie bomber released on "Compassionate Grounds"

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Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi, the man convicted of 270 counts of murder for his part in the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, on 21 December 1988, has been released from custody in Greenock Prison, Scotland, on "Compassionate Grounds", as he is dying from cancer. The Majority of the passengers on the flight were American, and the decision has been met with anger and shock from people not only in America, but in Scotland as well.

The issue, for me, isn't whether or not this man was guilty or innocent. He was released by Justice Secretary Kenny McCaskill because he is dying of cancer and has been given weeks to live. Incidentlly, he returned to a hero's welcome in Libya, with the crowd waving Scottish flags.

Are we to release all prisoners, no matter the crime, if they're terminally ill? Crimes don't come much worse than the crime this man was convicted of, and I for one am ashamed of the decision the Scottish government have made. Compassion should have nothing to do with justice, especially when you consider the amount of compassion this terrorist had for his victims.

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I actually think its both a good and brave thing they did by releasing him.

Sure, what he did was a horrible thing, but he's still a human being. He should at least get to say farewell to his family face to face, more so for their sake than for his.
 
I actually think its both a good and brave thing they did by releasing him.

Sure, what he did was a horrible thing, but he's still a human being. He should at least get to say farewell to his family face to face, more so for their sake than for his.

That's more than the families of the 270 people he killed were given. Fuck him.
 
yeah fuck him, he has prostate cancer, which is somewhat treatable in most cases,

They should get him the best treatment money can buy, and keep his sorry ass alive in prison for as long as possible. sorry but fuck THAT kind of compassion.

Gonna do this for all criminals now? how many are gonna end up surviving longer then the doctors predict, and what if they start killing again?

hell he has terminal cancer, if anything hes in the perfect position to go blow himself up somewhere.
 
I don't care if the man has cancer. They want to show compassion offer to pay the 2-way tickets for a few members of his family to come visit.

Then let nature do what it will with his life. It's karma.
 
yeah fuck him, he has prostate cancer, which is somewhat treatable in most cases,

They should get him the best treatment money can buy, and keep his sorry ass alive in prison for as long as possible. sorry but fuck THAT kind of compassion.

Or the worse most painful cheapest care? As long as it keeps this fucker alive to rot in a cell for longer.
 
Compassion clouds justice.
It is true.

You know why? This thread is the perfect evidence. You're all saying he can rot etc. The simple answer is that you feel compassion for those that died and their family.

It clouds your justice, as been said by you yourself.
 
It was all politics and money really. Look at all the oil and gas interests that are in Libya at the moment, and look at what the son of the leader of Libya said as well: that whenever some kind of deal has been put on the table for access to their resources, this dude's potential release was always brought up and was a main point of contention for them. It's sad that this happens, but hey, the Scottish lawmakers are pretty much pulling the "we are the better man" approach to this by granting him compassionate release. Do I personally agree with it? No I don't, but at the same time I see why they did it.
 
It is life in prison. You serve the rest of your natural life in jail...what is complicated about this? People die, especially when they are old. I'm sorry, but it is a load of shit to say that he has a right to any kind of compassion. Even then, this goes far beyond just simple compassion. Let his family go see him in jail before he dies. There is your compassion.

It is unacceptable that he served 8 years in prison and was then released after killing TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY PEOPLE. I'd say someone should put a bullet in his head, but there isn't much point anymore.
 
It is life in prison. You serve the rest of your natural life in jail...what is complicated about this? People die, especially when they are old. I'm sorry, but it is a load of shit to say that he has a right to any kind of compassion. Even then, this goes far beyond just simple compassion. Let his family go see him in jail before he dies. There is your compassion.

It is unacceptable that he served 8 years in prison and was then released after killing TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY PEOPLE. I'd say someone should put a bullet in his head, but there isn't much point anymore.

Then again though, England's laws have been becoming more and more loose since the end of the death penalty in the 1950s after it turned out the last person to die was innocent.

What we need is the return of the Death Penalty and more severe punishments for criminals, but then again, you know...
 
It is true.

You know why? This thread is the perfect evidence. You're all saying he can rot etc. The simple answer is that you feel compassion for those that died and their family.

It clouds your justice, as been said by you yourself.

Fair enough, but by releasing him considering the death he caused in a grand scale, him = 1person, him = killed hundreds... means nothing. Justice is not served by releasing a convicted murderer.
 
The compassionate thing would have been to kill him 2001 when he was convicted after like a decade of dicking around with trying to get him from Libya.

This falls back on the current idea that prison is for rehabilitation instead of punishment. There is no way in hell i would have even considered releasing him.
 
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Without compassion, there is no justice.

Nonsense.

Compassion clouds justice.

Thank you.

Quoted for mother fucking truth.

Thank you again.

What compassion does this man deserve? He showed no compassion to the people he murdered. Justice has NOTHING to do with compassion, otherwise there would be no such thing as justice. If courts let compassion into things, they'd let people away with murder all the time because "their reasons were right."

They let him out because they wanted to show Scotland is "it's own nation"; that, and they're most likely going to be getting a rather large oil payment within the next few years.

As myself and my wife said the day he got out, if he were to be released, the way EVERY OTHER PRISONER in this country is, it should have been for either lack of evidence, or because he had been proven innoccent. Then, he should have been dropped at the nearest bus stop, and we would see how close to Glasgow Airport he got.

Should a re-trial ever be needed, or this man be required for any other purpose, it will not happen. He will NEVER be seen again. Now that the Libyans have him back in their country as their "hero", he'll never leave again.

All that's left are hundreds of families that will never know the truth about how their loved ones died - but that's ok, because their killer was dying of cancer so we let him go home to live his life out in luxury, like all terminally ill killers/rapists will.
 
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The compassionate thing would have been to kill him 2001 when he was convicted after like a decade of dicking around with trying to get him from Libya.

This falls back on the current idea that prison is for rehabilitation instead of punishment. There is no way in hell i would have even considered releasing him.
Its not an idea, its what its meant for. It is both a punishment and rehabilitation. The whole point of prison is to rehabilitate them and have the convicts become contributing members of society once they are released. If all it was is a punishment, you might as well cut off a hand and be done with it.

The problem nowadays is that people don't seem to realize the whole point of prison - rehabilitation. The problem is that the whole thing falls flat on one thing: human nature. It isn't in human nature to forgive and forget, it isn't in human nature to give second chances, nor is it to trust. It is in human nature to be egoistical fucktards that care about nothing but themselves, and that goes both ways, both on the normal citizens and the criminals. Once rehabilitation is done, the next step is to get them out in to society, get them a job so they can start earning money and get a place to live, which is where people like you come in. If you own a company and someone that's been in prison for, say, selling drugs, you're not likely to give him a job. If this ex-criminal can not get a job, he will likely fall back in to his old ways of selling drugs, or other illegal things to survive. And then he'll end up back in prison again.

And therein lies the problem, because of human nature, criminals can't become contributing members of society, and thus fall back in to their old ways, leading to the classic mindset of "Once a criminal, always a criminal", as - surprisingly (notrly) - you've found your proof which strengthens your prejudice.

What's worse is for rapists, as people in America have all the legal rights they need to find out if a rapist is living in their neighborhood, which means there is NO chance in hell for them to become contributing members of society when people refuse to accept them.

I admit, and this will be somewhat contradictory to what I've said earlier, I would likely not hire a murdered, therein lies the beauty of NOT having the death penalty. There's virtually no way for them to become accepted members of society again. Life itself IS the punishment for them. Ending it would just do them a favor.

Fair enough, but by releasing him considering the death he caused in a grand scale, him = 1person, him = killed hundreds... means nothing. Justice is not served by releasing a convicted murderer.

Nor is it by keeping him locked up for a few more week. You see, very few of you probably know the people he killed, so let me ask you, why does it matter for you, personally? Are you thinking "But he killed people!! He deserve the worst punishment possible!" Or are you thinking "Poor all the victim's family, the monster is walking free!"? See, he's already getting the worst punishment possible, in your eyes, as he's dying in either case, and likely pretty painfully as I doubt Libya has access to a lot of painkillers. As for the second one, his victims probably do not think "Thank god that monster is locked up!" every time they go to sleep. They only react negatively because they read in the papers that he's going free. Granted, to them it probably feels like a punch to the face that the man who killed their loved ones is going free. But in reality, it doesn't matter, he'll be gone soon anyway.

The reality is this: He's still a human, and like all humans, in my opinion, deserve a chance to be with their family before they die. Whether or not his victims didn't get to is a moot point. What's done is done, a lot of people don't get to spend time with their family when they die, car crash victims included.

Justice won't ever truly be served until humans learn to look beyond their own feelings and egoism, a skill the majority of the human population does not possess.

All that's left are hundreds of families that will never know the truth about how their loved ones died - but that's ok, because their killer was dying of cancer so we let him go home to live his life out in luxury, like all terminally ill killers/rapists will.
Case in point.

Why does this matter? whether he dies of cancer in prison or not, doesn't suddenly "enlight" all of the victim's loved ones the truth of how they died.

The truth is, they were murdered. That's the plain truth. Will him dieing in jail suddenly change that fact? Will that alter the past and suddenly make them die in their loved ones arms with pretty words and lots of tears?

The truth is, they probably wouldn't even care if he died in jail, they would feel the same way, they just think it sucks that he get to die out in the free. That's their hatred talking.
 
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Its not an idea, its what its meant for. It is both a punishment and rehabilitation. The whole point of prison is to rehabilitate them and have the convicts become contributing members of society once they are released. If all it was is a punishment, you might as well cut off a hand and be done with it.

The problem nowadays is that people don't seem to realize the whole point of prison - rehabilitation. The problem is that the whole thing falls flat on one thing: human nature. It isn't in human nature to forgive and forget, it isn't in human nature to give second chances, nor is it to trust. It is in human nature to be egoistical fucktards that care about nothing but themselves, and that goes both ways, both on the normal citizens and the criminals. Once rehabilitation is done, the next step is to get them out in to society, get them a job so they can start earning money and get a place to live, which is where people like you come in. If you own a company and someone that's been in prison for, say, selling drugs, you're not likely to give him a job. If this ex-criminal can not get a job, he will likely fall back in to his old ways of selling drugs, or other illegal things to survive. And then he'll end up back in prison again.

And therein lies the problem, because of human nature, criminals can't become contributing members of society, and thus fall back in to their old ways, leading to the classic mindset of "Once a criminal, always a criminal", as - surprisingly (notrly) - you've found your proof which strengthens your prejudice.

What's worse is for rapists, as people in America have all the legal rights they need to find out if a rapist is living in their neighborhood, which means there is NO chance in hell for them to become contributing members of society when people refuse to accept them.

I admit, and this will be somewhat contradictory to what I've said earlier, I would likely not hire a murdered, therein lies the beauty of NOT having the death penalty. There's virtually no way for them to become accepted members of society again. Life itself IS the punishment for them. Ending it would just do them a favor.



Nor is it by keeping him locked up for a few more week. You see, very few of you probably know the people he killed, so let me ask you, why does it matter for you, personally? Are you thinking "But he killed people!! He deserve the worst punishment possible!" Or are you thinking "Poor all the victim's family, the monster is walking free!"? See, he's already getting the worst punishment possible, in your eyes, as he's dying in either case, and likely pretty painfully as I doubt Libya has access to a lot of painkillers. As for the second one, his victims probably do not think "Thank god that monster is locked up!" every time they go to sleep. They only react negatively because they read in the papers that he's going free. Granted, to them it probably feels like a punch to the face that the man who killed their loved ones is going free. But in reality, it doesn't matter, he'll be gone soon anyway.

The reality is this: He's still a human, and like all humans, in my opinion, deserve a chance to be with their family before they die. Whether or not his victims didn't get to is a moot point. What's done is done, a lot of people don't get to spend time with their family when they die, car crash victims included.

Justice won't ever truly be served until humans learn to look beyond their own feelings and egoism, a skill the majority of the human population does not possess.

Case in point.

Why does this matter? whether he dies of cancer in prison or not, doesn't suddenly "enlight" all of the victim's loved ones the truth of how they died.

The truth is, they were murdered. That's the plain truth. Will him dieing in jail suddenly change that fact? Will that alter the past and suddenly make them die in their loved ones arms with pretty words and lots of tears?

The truth is, they probably wouldn't even care if he died in jail, they would feel the same way, they just think it sucks that he get to die out in the free. That's their hatred talking.


which is where people like you come in
your up on a high horse there uzor.

sorry but in my opinion for certain crimes there IS no rehabilitation. noone here is talking about a drug dealer, Rehabilitation for murding 250+ people, thats just laughable. and as far as rapist not being able to live a normal life after they get out. GOOD, they are lucky to be walking free period, i would have no problem with life in prison or even capital punishment for rapist. guess what, i guarantee you whoever he raped isnt living a normal life.

and whats it matter wether or not i know any of the people killed? that has nothing to do with the issue, its a mass murderer walking free, why should it matter who he murdered?


Also, i wonder what the reguler murderer joes chances are at getting released on "compassionate grounds" you know, the guy that only killed 1 or 2 people but DOESN'T have an entire oil rich country pulling strings, and offering deals for him?
 
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