Monk Gear 73+

etchdog2000 said:
Just asking a question as an observer. Nobody said really anthing except Rappa about the Gigas line bracelets. Why are they "overraided"? Is it because of the dip in DEX, or is it because with MNK you have access to those nice hand pieces? I would think at first glance Pallas/Alky bracelets would be your best bet on WS.
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I've seen MNKs that use Alky bracelets, they are nice. But I like my AF +1. I would get Alky to try them out but short on money right now.
 
Caerloc said:
Im with mistra on thisone. I woulld never use osode for ws, and i wouldnt macro in AF(+1) hands for ws either. With 0.1 str and 0.1 vit modifiers your mainly gonna be better of with atk. Not saying you dont need str at all seeing as ws-modifiers isnt the only place it plays in. But im not gonna give up
20 atk and 10 acc for a 8 hit ws with those modifiers. Likewise im not gonna give up 22 atk for 4 (6) str. Shura head and legs are great pieces for str, and they come with acc. Black belt (and brownbelt) also comes with str.

Currently i tp in

Head Turban
Body Shura
Back Cerb mantle
Neck Faith torque
Hand Bandomusha Kote
Waist Black Belt
Ear Brutal and a mix of diabolos / mermans depending
Ring Sniper+1 / woodsman
Legs Byakkos
Feet Mostly Fuma Kyahan, i have dune boots but im not a fan
Ammo Tiphia


Ws
Head Shura kabuto
Ears Take off brutal, use 2x atk or 1 atk 1 diabolos, prolly just gonna buy minuet again cuz when do you merit with no brd?
Legs Shura Haidate
Ring Swap out woodsman for Flame (i used to fulltime rajas in this slot, but i grabbed a tamas a while back)
Feet Rasetsu, elvaan dont have much choice here, im planning on getting the nyzul feet tho, i feel this is a good place to add str if you can.
Range Rse sachet


Weapon is usually destroyers, but i toy with Faiths from time to time.
It works well for me although there are a few slots i would like str in, cause the atk bonus is very low, mainly feet, possibly another ring slot and possibly an ear slot. But again, i wouldnt toss the big attack chunks for str.
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I think you misread what I posted, I was advocating a strict atk/acc setup for Asuran
 
etchdog2000 said:
Just asking a question as an observer. Nobody said really anthing except Rappa about the Gigas line bracelets. Why are they "overraided"? Is it because of the dip in DEX, or is it because with MNK you have access to those nice hand pieces? I would think at first glance Pallas/Alky bracelets would be your best bet on WS.
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It's because the modifiers on Asuran Fists are the worst in the entire game, they're literally pointless. You'll get better results from attack/accuracy setups than stacking on STR/VIT; and monk gets the best attack hand pieces in the game.
 
To elaborate on Gigas bracelets sucking for asuran (they're fine for dragon kick though)... Asuran, as has been cited a million times, is a whole 10% STR and VIT. That means you need 10 VIT or STR to get a single DMG increase. I'm sure you've noticed how little an increase DMG:+1 is, and how large 20 attack is. Or maybe you haven't, but I can assure you parsers have. Using Temple Gloves for boost (18.75% attack increase), and switching back to Melee/Ochi/Bando is a lot more of a damage increase than DMG:+1 and the chance of a fSTR bonus (only another DMG:+1 anyway).
 
Okote vs. alky bracelets really isn't worth splitting hairs over, lol. They're so close to each other it doesn't really matter; however, if I had to choose between the two, I'd pick the cheaper option of bandos/okote.
 
Yeh I knew the deal with the shit modifier, but 12(or is it 11) or 9 STR is not a small amount, and at first glance would think that much STR would be worth it. With that said I trust you guys since you guys have been doing it up a long time, thats why I asked the question instead of making the suggestion myself.
 
Mai Ikari said:
Using Temple Gloves for boost (18.75% attack increase), and switching back to Melee/Ochi/Bando is a lot more of a damage increase than DMG:+1 and the chance of a fSTR bonus (only another DMG:+1 anyway).
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Yeah, I always do this in my Asuran Fists macros, I always see other MNK just WSing in AF+1 hands or something, but that's their lose, losing out on all that attack.

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Usually their response is they're "lazy". Lol

Also, what's with people fulltiming their brown or black belts. Brown Belt: 5 STR Black Belt: 7 STR....Warwolf Belt: 5 STR 5 VIT 5 DEX (only downside to not use would be enmity, but meh.)
 
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Knightblade said:
Also, what's with people fulltiming their brown or black belts. Brown Belt: 5 STR Black Belt: 7 STR....Warwolf Belt: 5 STR 5 VIT 5 DEX (only downside to not use would be enmity, but meh.)
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Please tell me you're not serious.
 
Bajaratt said:
and fuma's are not that useful for monk; dune boots easily trump them. The only place why fuma's would be any good at all is from 38-70 where monk has shit for gear choices.
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like caerloc said, i don't like dune boots either :( i prefer the haste build.
 
ds083roadkill said:
I think he means for WS. I use warwolf to asuran for the str/dex/vit scine i dont have black belt :/
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He's saying maining the belt, not throwing it on and taking it off, which makes him a moron. Even for WS it sucks, potent/life belt will do more. Also, why would he care about the enmity if he's only wearing it for a weapon skill?
 
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neophytal said:
like caerloc said, i don't like dune boots either :( i prefer the haste build.
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Eh, I tried them and the only place I noticed a difference was in my utsusemi recasts, so I prefer increasing my kick damage with dunes. Everything pales in comparison to usukane though.
 
There's some hazy information from Aurik (that math wiz MNK on BG/KI) that suggests that Fumas may beat out Dune Boots in all situations, but he isn't sure if that's what the information actually says or not, since it's all simulations that may be overlooking something. All it really confirms is that Usukane > Dune, and until he says for certain what that info meant, I'm sticking with Dune.

And anyone who Asurans in Warwolf Belt (lolModifiers) instead of Life/Potent Belt (ACC+) needs to check their TP returns. >.>
 
i feel sorry for people that use the exact same macro set for asuran for every mob in the game :/

str/atk asuran & acc asuran whoahaywut?
 
ds083roadkill said:
i feel sorry for people that use the exact same macro set for asuran for every mob in the game :/

str/atk asuran & acc asuran whoahaywut?
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I feel sorry for people who think +1 DMG would actually out damage getting another hit in on asuran fists more often.

You're going to want to use potent/life unless you're fighting a DC-TW mob, and even then it's not worth a separate macro since you won't notice the damage from warwolf. Anything you'd be killing for exp potent/life is far better than warwolf. The damage bonus from warwolf is very minimal and is practically insignificant.
 
ds083roadkill said:
Just like the differance between NQ gear and HQ right?
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What? lol. DoT-wise, +8 (or +10) acc will always outperform warwolf. Always. Always. ALWAYS. You might get a higher max ws with warwolf, but your avg will go down. Promise.
 
Rappa said:
What? lol. DoT-wise, +8 (or +10) acc will always outperform warwolf. Always. Always. ALWAYS. You might get a higher max ws with warwolf, but your avg will go down. Promise.
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oh yeah dont get me wrong, i ws in potent 90% of the time. merit, assualt, anything that i know i'm going to miss. but things like farming joutuun, nyzul isle, ect it works out nicely. 1300+ is very rare when i'm trying to put out my highest number in normal acc asuran fist

i'll show macro just to re-intergrate (no shura togi yet, despite the sig... soon thou [and windower macros, blow me])

STR asuran:

input /equip Body "Kirin's Osode"

input /equip Head "Shr.Znr.Kabuto"

input /equip Hands "Bandomusha Kote"

input /equip Waist "Warwolf Belt"

input /equip Legs "Shura Haidate"

input /equip Ear2 "Bushinomimi"

input /equip Ring1 "Flame Ring"

input /equip Neck "Chivalrous chain"

input /equip Back "Forager's Mantle"

input /equip Feet "Pln. Crackows"

pause 1

input /equip Ring2 "Flame Ring"

input /ws "Asuran Fists" <t>




Acc asuran:

input /equip Body "Kirin's Osode"

input /equip Head "Optical Hat"

input /equip Hands "Bandomusha Kote"

input /equip Waist "Potent Belt"

input /equip Legs "Shura Haidate"

input /equip Neck "Peacock Charm"

input /equip Back "Forager's Mantle"

input /equip Ear2 "Diabolos's Earring"

input /equip Feet "Pln. Crackows"

input /equip Ring1 "Sniper's ring"

pause 1

input /equip Ring2 "Sniper's ring"

input /ws "Asuran Fists" <t>
 
I swap out O-hat for Genbu's Kabuto on my MNK/NIN solo-organs-in-sea set, and Life for Warwolf, but that's on DC to T-- targets where I've parsed myself at 92-95% accuracy with mithkas, so swapping on more accuracy would be absolutely stupid. (evasion gear and accuracy gear being one and the same kinda helps with that)

You started off sounding like you used it fulltime, and misplayed the Shit is Situational card. You're crazy if you expected people not to jump down your throat about it. >.>

What's in the Ear1 slot, brutal? If it is, swap that out, it's doing zilch for your WS (8 hits per round is the hard cap, you cannot double/triple during asuran).
 
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