OH linkshell Disbanding?

Elemmire said:
first of all.. I was invisible when I was going by so somehow I doubt you saw jackshit. Second of all.. Reality was out there as soon as I went by and did shadowbind and started running back into the hallway and this was as I was passing by. I got killed about right in front of the hallway and he saw it. The rest of Vakrys as a bit further back into the hall and I don't actually ever remember seeing you up there.. nor have I even really seen you do anything with Valkrys in a few months.
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I had you target for some reason, so yes, I saw the gold pointer move right next to an Ulli who wasn't moving. This happened in March. I stopped doing anything in sky in April/May.
 
Look I'm not enjoying this argument. I don't have any particular reason to explain to you guys what you did wrong and teach you how to fight Fafnir. Elemmire brought up this bullshit accusation. All of you guys wanted to throw in the "Well you're guilty" "But let's not argue" tag line. If you don't want to argue, listen to your Linkshell leader and don't flame. Because you're wrong. And perhaps it's better than this is out in the open and I can explain why you're wrong, than all of you guys continually slandering OH because of your own misunderstandings about HNM mechanics.

I have already several times shown different reasons why you are wrong. Yet you continue to argue off weaker and weaker points, and slowly back away from the flame you started covering yourselfs in pleas of "I don't want a flame war."

Well I don't want to hear your guys bullshit anymore. I don't need to hear it. I don't need you guys spreading rumors that aren't true. As much as Maseki tries to keep the tension down, you ignore him. As much as your LS spread lies and puts us down, we don't respond in kind.

To be honest endgame was a better place a year ago before a lot of you people showed up to it and people pretty much just got along. People talk about how horrible endgame is, and how there's so much drama, we have some cause right here, and I prove it, and ya'll don't stop. You talk about taking claims from a wiping LS as if it's the same as deliberately killing a LS with monsters. Your own members go too far in accussations that aren't even true. But you don't shut them down, you keep the machine of flaming and negativety and rumors going. You don't stop. Ya never stop. You can't stop.

And you expect us... to be polite to you?
 
Skaw said:
Elemmire said:
first of all.. I was invisible when I was going by so somehow I doubt you saw jackshit. Second of all.. Reality was out there as soon as I went by and did shadowbind and started running back into the hallway and this was as I was passing by. I got killed about right in front of the hallway and he saw it. The rest of Vakrys as a bit further back into the hall and I don't actually ever remember seeing you up there.. nor have I even really seen you do anything with Valkrys in a few months.
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I had you target for some reason, so yes, I saw the gold pointer move right next to an Ulli who wasn't moving. This happened in March. I stopped doing anything in sky in April/May.
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right.. cause you being in the hall virtually at the corner is able to target me from the middle of the room when I was first running and Raelity ran out. And most likely you had Ulli targetted and didn't see me until after I got hit. Where's reality.. I'd like his version here.. and I'd rather you not ask to get him cause I can't trust you to go "hey reality, go tell Elemmire that you shadowbinded way before she got close to Ulli". I know you are prolly upset with me cause I argue with you in the Nintendo threads, Skaw.. but seriously :\ why would I even lie about the Ulli thing? I didn't flame anyone about it.. I didn't bother anyone.. oh.. and I think we should get Balrock's version too.. I remember him being there. And I can't remember if Artem was there for that time or another time you guys were camping Ulli.. but since he seems to always be camping Ulli for Valkrys when it's Valkrys sky time I have a feeling he'd be a good source. Get more witnesses.. let's see what they say... though I guess I can't really believe they wouldn't defend you even if you were wrong. And fire.. stalling is a grief tactic and against the rules.. anyways.. good night.
 
We knew where to stand, we knew what to do. One of our members was a little too far away and then pulled hate, which caused the spike flail. That kind of thing happens, it's an accident, like when DD accidently used sleepga and you guys wiped. It's not a deliberate action or a lack of skill/knowledge or whatever, it's an unintentional mistake. No one claimed that you caused the spike flail or even accused you of doing something to hinder us while we were fighting.

I'm not trying to flame OH for what happened, and I seriously didn't want this brought up. Elemmire brought it up, and then you guys responded, which prompted me to respond because your response was kind of one sided and then you responded and so on. If you say PA was there, fine, I just didn't see her, but it's possible she was there. If that's the case, then both LS's were in the wrong so the whole thing should just stop now. There's really no point in continuing the argument over what happened, since it will only cause more friction between the linkshells.
 
deathsvengeance said:
this thread either needs to be locked now or moved to the flameboard >.>
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move to flameboard is ok but its funny seeing elemmire react when someone throws something at him. omg get balrock and reality here now!
 
cohibuu said:
deathsvengeance said:
this thread either needs to be locked now or moved to the flameboard >.>
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move to flameboard is ok but its funny seeing elemmire react when someone throws something at him. omg get balrock and reality here now!
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if you want to rofl at Elemmire more, do it on the flameboard. And btw, Elemmire= her ^^
 
all this drama makes my head hurt.

Ele, you cant expect for people to come over from an ls that seemed to disintigrate and expect them to stay if their own ls comes back online. some may stay, but a majority will go. i knew from the beginning that would happen. in on instance i do find it a bit frustrating. however, at the same time, you cant blame them either.

this note also goes to ele...just let it go louie...gebus. if people want to think something, leave a simple explanation or two, but dont go overboard and start bringing old shit up. leave the past in the past and look onto the future. if people wanna mpk because of one person, let them do it and karma will repay them.

as for whoever says we go around seeking OH members....no. if i remember right, they all mentioned their interest in us. that may or may not be fact....honestly, who cares. if they join they join. but also, you can look on the linkshell recruiting page on here, and you will see a few of them posting their interest in finding another shell. also, they have gone to our ls site to post their interest in joining us.

alot of people on here need to practice singling out the people that cause issues, arguments or whatever instead of saying "your ls" or "you guys".
not everyone in the either ls will mpk someone and im sure its not appreciated by anyone to be accused of being mpkd when you have not or have no intention of ever doing it. im guilty of generalizing someones ls because of one person as well in the past, however, ive come to look at is as the individual person. lets just stop slandering other LS;s period and the world will be a nicer place.

P.S. ele, you may as well stop, your not going to change anyones minds.
besides, its all over and done with...just let it go
 
IF PA was there and alive how were we in the wrong at all? Either you can take my stand that nobody was really wrong(except Odon for MPK attempt), or the only person who was wrong was you guys because you stole first(based on your own logic). We were in the wrong for stealing back what was stolen and being in the wraith of NH's negative rumor machine? How about all the crap said that we deliberately ran over to you when we wiped ignoring the fact that Odon was the cause of Fafnir by attempting to MPK us.

what about the MPK attempt?

You all make this flame based on stealing claim from a wiping LS, and on your side you had someone attempting to blatently and deliberately mpk?

Did we make rumors about you.... did we flame you... did we dwell on this shit?

No we did not.

Your leader told you to shut the fuck up on the Flame Board, and so you all talked with your friends in Valkyrs, and your friends in BoL and your friends in Kaizen as Ellemire mentioned, and you spread and spread rumors. And people who didn't like us of course believed them.

And people don't like us of course, according to Ellemire... people don't like our leaders none of her friends do, the ones she tells are her lies to.. We ask why? Why? Why doesn't Ellemire like Prophecy? Apparently he tells us all to MPK you poor NH souls for no reason at all.

Oh and let's not forget he ran OH into the ground of course to steal gil beacuse he's a gilseller? That's a great rumor to spread around guys, all over first few pages, ignoring the fact that the only person who was in charge of gil distribution was me and I keep 100% open public records? FORGET LOGIC, REASON, RELIABLE INFORMATION AND ANY SHRED OF PROOF. WE GOT OURSELVES A GREAT RUMOR!!!

And what's so damn amusing is that's enough for people to believe it?
 
all this drama makes my head hurt.

Ele, you cant expect for people to come over from an ls that seemed to disintigrate and expect them to stay if their own ls comes back online. some may stay, but a majority will go. i knew from the beginning that would happen. in on instance i do find it a bit frustrating. however, at the same time, you cant blame them either.

this note also goes to ele...just let it go louie...gebus. if people want to think something, leave a simple explanation or two, but dont go overboard and start bringing old shit up. leave the past in the past and look onto the future. if people wanna mpk because of one person, let them do it and karma will repay them.

as for whoever says we go around seeking OH members....no. if i remember right, they all mentioned their interest in us. that may or may not be fact....honestly, who cares. if they join they join. but also, you can look on the linkshell recruiting page on here, and you will see a few of them posting their interest in finding another shell. also, they have gone to our ls site to post their interest in joining us.

alot of people on here need to practice singling out the people that cause issues, arguments or whatever instead of saying "your ls" or "you guys".
not everyone in the either ls will mpk someone and im sure its not appreciated by anyone to be accused of being mpkd when you have not or have no intention of ever doing it. im guilty of generalizing someones ls because of one person as well in the past, however, ive come to look at is as the individual person. lets just stop slandering other LS;s period and the world will be a nicer place.

P.S. ele, you may as well stop, your not going to change anyones minds.
besides, its all over and done with...just let it go
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Oh I agree, I'm sure plenty of NH members who don't spread rumors. I'm just speaking in general it's people with that unchangable attitude that everyone is out to get them and everyone who isn't on their side is evil... from ANY shell are just unbearable to me.
 
i understand your speaking in general, however, when you generalize like that it can alienate someone that your not speaking of such as myself. kinda goes along the lines of "OH MPK'D such and such". its kinda hard to not generalize sometimes, but well, you get the point
 
First off, I didn't say a goddamn thing to anyone. Kaizen wouldn't have bought any lies, since they were there. I don't know of anyone spreading rumors about that to any other linkshell, especially since I haven't heard anyone mention this since it happened. Please don't accuse me of stuff that I didn't do.

Edit: ok, you never really accused me, it was just the generalization, sorry.

Second, I said both were wrong, because both took the claim when the other wasn't completely dead, again assuming that PA was there. Basically, two whole wrongs don't make a right thing. If neither of us was wrong, or we were both wrong, it's unimportant now since it happened weeks ago. About the thing with Odon, I didn't see anything, but I have a ton of filters on and I wasn't paying attention to what most of the people were doing. If you say he was curing you guys, fine, he was, I just wasn't in a position to see anything.

All I did was respond to you and cohibu first, and that was to respond to you saying we stole when I didn't see anyone left alive to steal from. I never tried to turn this into a flame, I just said what I saw while I was there. The only spot where I could have been placing blame was when you claimed while we had people up, while I thought you didn't have anyone left alive.
 
sometimes the best defense against verbal is just plain silence. reacting to a verbal assault only gets people more excited about saying something else. ignore the assault with silence and it just makes the assaulter look stupid. how much you wanna bet people check posts many times after they post just to read the replies they get? bet they feel stupid when no one responds.

the best thing for OH to do now is just be quiet. Members that left for another shell and then returned to OH should just politely tell their temporary shell thx for the stay but since their old home is back they'll just be heading home now. Do it right and there wont be any hard feelings, afterall why go out of your way to piss off someone who just reached out a helping hand to you.

OH will need to rebuild obviously since not all of their members will come back. Talking smack on QCDN isn't gonna make good players wanna join OH.

My advice - Take a look within the LS, figure out why it even collapsed, fix the problems and rebuild from strength.

If i remember right a lot of people talked smack about ascension back in the day, but i rarely see any shittalk about Kaizen and it not because people dont know its ascension. Proof positive that a shell can change their image for the good and get stronger at the same time.

last note - you gotta give respect first to get respect.
 
Well you see, I clearly identified 3 people who were slandering us, and it should be clear to everyone that it was wrong.

There are so many rumors... up in the air. So and so stole this. So and so did that? Why Firestreak are you in this LS when this and that happened?

What happened? I ask. I was there and that didn't happen!

But I heard it, it's a rumor!

Where do rumors come from?

I remember months ago the rumor that Prophecy stole gil from OH LS bank. A funny rumor, because, when you consider it, the only person who could know that as truth would have to be a LS member.

But how come... no LS members, present or past, have ever accused Prophecy of stealing from OH bank?

The obvious conclusion is that the rumor was started by someone outside OH. And that means simply, whoever started the rumor, didn't know if it was true or not.

But if you don't like OH, or you love drama, you probably chose to believe this rumor and pass it on.

There's never been a flame about Prophecy stealing from OH bank. Yet it is simply one of those things that cloud him.

Yet the people who are LS members all loudly defend him...? The ones who know it to not be true.... yet the bad reputation remains.

It's interesting how people are.

And these three people who I caught in another rumor, that is untrue as well, happen to be from Notorious Hunters. It doesn't mean you all do it... but... I can say, we have identified three people who shown clearly, don't mind spreading the word, but when pressed into argument, don't really have any ground to go on. We've shown mixed up events and important omissions designed to make us look as bad as possible and NH as good as possible.

That is simply... to say... I'm sick of these rumors. Please, from now on just bring it to the flame board so it can be heard, or be silent about it. And don't pretend you can be an LS member of these creators of the rumors, and not know it's going on.
 
irst off, I didn't say a goddamn thing to anyone. Kaizen wouldn't have bought any lies, since they were there. I don't know of anyone spreading rumors about that to any other linkshell, especially since I haven't heard anyone mention this since it happened. Please don't accuse me of stuff that I didn't do.

Edit: ok, you never really accused me, it was just the generalization, sorry.
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Fairly I did accuse you, and I don't apologize for it but I won't press it. If we have a bad reputation, it's because of rumors, and when looking for who spreads them clearly the number one suspect must be those who have to gain from the rumor existing. So and so is crooked, join my LS instead, for example. At least, it's a good enough reason to spread it.
I can't prove or disprove what you said to who, I simply notice your ease at dropping accusations casually in this discussion as if it's a fact. As we both agree, I doubt Kaizen spread any rumor that we MPKed you at Fafnir or whatever it is we were supposed to have done. I think we both know NH members spread, and I think you probably have some ideas as to who, even if you won't say so.

Second, I said both were wrong, because both took the claim when the other wasn't completely dead, again assuming that PA was there. Basically, two whole wrongs don't make a right thing. If neither of us was wrong, or we were both wrong, it's unimportant now since it happened weeks ago. About the thing with Odon, I didn't see anything, but I have a ton of filters on and I wasn't paying attention to what most of the people were doing. If you say he was curing you guys, fine, he was, I just wasn't in a position to see anything.
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No two wrongs don't make a right, but taking back what was taken from you isn't stealing in the first place. And believe me, he did it, and believe me, I know he won't be punished for it.

All I did was respond to you and cohibu first, and that was to respond to you saying we stole when I didn't see anyone left alive to steal from. I never tried to turn this into a flame, I just said what I saw while I was there. The only spot where I could have been placing blame was when you claimed while we had people up, while I thought you didn't have anyone left alive.
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No you defended Ele's position, and Elemmire's position is that all NH's problems are our fault. That has always been her position, it will always be her position, and as long as she is a member it will be a source of tension for us. We both know she spreads those rumors. She already said in this post, the reason for her ignore, that she talks with people about OH. She said so because she said how her friends share her feelings. We know she is at least one of the causes of the perpetual spread of lies. And we know her facts are all off. For christ sake she lied right on this post about when Darkdominion sleepgad to combine the incidents of two days into one fabricating the story as she saw fit. When caught on this has she apologized. No. She will never apologize(and mean it), never change and will forever lie and slander.
This isn't the first incident with her, this is closer to the hundredth.
 
I haven't played in two months, but for what it's worth...

OH and Prophecy were very strict about not stealing and not MPKing. At the start of OH and actually during most of the time OH was around, we would never reclaim a mob even if it was stolen from us. We would never MPK even if we were MPK'd first. Most of this changed around the time OH started claiming Fafnir, and I think OH's actions were very justified: MPK only if we were MPK'd because we got claim, and only steal (reclaim) if the mob was stolen from us. Most other linkshells seem to be following the set guidelines, as well, so arguing over who MPK's and steals is a rather moot point considering everyone will fight back for what was theirs in the first place (ie, you claimed it first, fair and square).

I don't hate anyone, and I don't hate any specific LS. I do hate [the action of] people merging details of different events to make their arguments stronger.

There is way too much animosity toward other players and linkshells in this game, and most of it is very unfounded. There have been incidents with different linkshells or linkshell members that were isolated and only happened once, MAYBE twice, that have blown up in to huge controversies and propaganda machines. There are ALWAYS multiple sides to each story, and the actions of some people, while not ill intended or intentionally aggressive, may have been perceived that way. If the linkshells or members had switched roles, they'd all be arguing the exact opposite of what they're arguing now.

What one person says about a linkshell or a linkshell member isn't necessarily representative of that linkshell or even the person in question.

Be excellent to each other.
 
I just wanna wish the people who went back to their shell good luck.
Its perfectly understandable, and i dont think many in our LS will hold
a grudge for it. There is always stupid people, in any linkshell, NH aswell
as OH or any other shell for that matter, but most of us understand.

And as for Fafnir, i wasnt there that day, im not really interested in flaming, but if you guys just had PA alive, isnt that kinda like the situation with BoL's kirin? (Remember now, im not flaming you for that either, maybe it could have been handle differently, but it wasnt wrong.) It just seems like you put different standards up for what is stealing, depending on what shell it happens to. Because BoL still had people
alive at Kirin when you took over and that wasnt a steal. You yourself claims you had only PA alive at Fafnir but that was a steal according to you. Just a thought.
 
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