Ok tell me why...

[Passions]

Again, the WHM has a job to do, he hastes tank, I refresh. SIMPLE.

rdm isn't simple if played right and that's your issue with your friend hitting catching up to you while you grind through the lvls. a rdm's job is to reduce downtime by only refreshing your not doing your role hence being a shitty rdm and causing all your parties to suck and you to not like parting and wanting to solo more

 

[Shaidalyn]

Yes because literal non stop chain 5's is shitty MP management yep. I didnt keep every mob debuffed into nothing, i didnt hit every MB, I didnt refresh 5 people, and no way did I toss 800+ damage in random casts every fight and STILL NOT ONCE run out of mp..
if thats a shitty pt sign me up for more.
a PT is based off a tank and a puller. the rest can be mediocre and survive, the better they are the better the pt.
If you have a shitty puller, pt will suck
If you have a shitty tank, pt will suck.
WhM bring nothing a Smn cant do aside a few helpful na's and haste, which according to you, I can do.
So according to you, WhM is not needed.

 

[alanon]

I usually haste half the party to lighten the load of the WHM and thus keep the chains going for longer =/

That is unless the WHM insists on hasting everyone alone.

And that in a nutshell my friend is what makes a good <insert job here>. Understanding how to lengthen chains and increase xp/hr. As opposed to the usual "Im teh Rdm! I swing sword! I r 'good'!"

 

[Uzor]

Yes because literal non stop chain 5's is shitty MP management yep. I didnt keep every mob debuffed into nothing, i didnt hit every MB, I didnt refresh 5 people, and no way did I toss 800+ damage in random casts every fight and STILL NOT ONCE run out of mp..
if thats a shitty pt sign me up for more.
a PT is based off a tank and a puller. the rest can be mediocre and survive, the better they are the better the pt.
If you have a shitty puller, pt will suck
If you have a shitty tank, pt will suck.
WhM bring nothing a Smn cant do aside a few helpful na's and haste, which according to you, I can do.
So according to you, WhM is not needed.

With a NIN tank, a WHM isn't needed. You are completely right. Want a cookie?

 

[Passions]

whm rdm pld
smn brd nin

thats my favorite set ups and yes i get board on whm with a GOOD ninja tank. if anything i look for a shitty one just to keep myself busy.

Yet again you contradict yourself. You say xp parties suck in one thread and its slow. in this thread your saying the tank and puller sucks but your getting consistant chain 5's and the xp still sucks :/

only part you are corect in is yes a whm is NOT needed in a ninja party with smn and brd/rdm but you'd have a heart attack and freak out if you had to cast a spell other then refresh i forgot

 

[Uzor]

And yeah, my second job is 75 WHM, and I feel pretty much useless in a exp party with a good NIN tank. I have time to watch a movie and just check the screen every now and then to cast haste or a random cure/na...

 

[Passions]

With a NIN tank, a WHM isn't needed. You are completely right. Want a cookie?

lol you know uzor they say great minds think alike

 

[Nifal]

RDM's job is to enfeeble the mob. Refresh, Cure and Nukes are just added bonuses that we take advantage of to shorten the length of time of the fights. Seeing as we don't specialize in either. WHM has to cure, buff, and remove status and buff the party every 25 - 30 min. Wow what a load they have to not be able to haste. RDM should assist the WHM, and I do but only as a last priority. This usually happens when RDMs waste time resting, thats why RDMs have refresh and convert, so you never really have to. But, since 'meleeing' is auto attack I still fail to see why this is a problem long as their job is done. Also, I'll point out I don't melee myself, but I do not condone those that do.

 

[Uzor]

Well, you are partly right there Nifal, but if you don't use all of your MP within 10 min, you should do more things, like Cure more to help the WHM out, or MB to make the fights go faster.

 

[Nifal]

RDM should assist the WHM, and I do but only as a last priority. This usually happens when RDMs waste time resting, thats why RDMs have refresh and convert, so you never really have to

Thats what I was getting at with the above quote. I suppose I could have spelled it out better tho lol.

 

[Shaidalyn]

whm rdm pld
smn brd nin

thats my favorite set ups and yes i get board on whm with a GOOD ninja tank. if anything i look for a shitty one just to keep myself busy.

Yet again you contradict yourself. You say xp parties suck in one thread and its slow. in this thread your saying the tank and puller sucks but your getting consistant chain 5's and the xp still sucks :/

only part you are corect in is yes a whm is NOT needed in a ninja party with smn and brd/rdm but you'd have a heart attack and freak out if you had to cast a spell other then refresh i forgot

I do more work than 90% of any job. I gave examples based on situations. You take things out of context. Lemme guess, you voted Kerry?
XP parties can suck.. it takes a LOT of time for 20k exp, for ONE level.. it doesnt seem very worth it I guess, to spend a WHOLE day for ONE level back when you could get 5+ in a single session.
SOME PT's work well.. best pt i was ever in.. hell just look in Good Times.. some are great.
Most, suck. Why? Tanks cant keep hate.. Thf misses sata (how the hell?) Whm makes me Main heal cause they suck..
EVERYTHING is ALWAYS situational.
a RdM's job is enfeebling.. NOTHING MORE
I've gone pt's without a refresher, its not that freaking terrible. My fiance went MOST of her late 40's-early 50's with ZERO Red Mages/Bards.. and the Red Mage she ended up with MELEE'd and didnt REFRESH ONCE.
I know a bad Rdm when I see one, and I know I am a DAMN fine rdm in a good pt. I am NOT gonna give it my all if the pt sucks though. I will stick through just till I can get a replace.

 

[Uzor]

No, a RDM's job is to decrease downtime, we're the "Jack of all trades", not "Masters of one". Enfeebling is one way to decrease downtime, helping out the other jobs is another, and refreshing is another one too. They are all tools we use in order to utilize our job.

A WHM's job is to heal? Then who is supposed to cast raise and protect/shell/bar-spells etc.

 

[Passions]

Again, the WHM has a job to do, he hastes tank, I refresh. SIMPLE.

a RdM's job is enfeebling.. NOTHING MORE

which is it? then your contradicting yourself in the following AGAIN

I hate to disagree but...
Paralyze: 6
Slow: 15
Blind: 5
Thats 27 mp.. 9 ticks of refresh.
any other debuffs are a GIFT.. Gravity is situational, Silence, situational, Dispel, situational.

If you need dispel HIGH chance you can Aspir.

You've been fighting crabs to long to be narrowminded like that. crawlers, dhamles, big birds (dont know names there are some in VoS) antica's ??? yeah that's enough

I don't Bio, the BLM does. I don't Dia, the WHM does. I don't -ever- haste, the WHM has a job too. I don't cure, WHM job. I don't Poison, BLM job.
I do however toss up Stoneskin: 29mp and Refresh on myself: 40mp

Seems to me like you think nothing is your job. Then you kept changing your post to fit what were accusing you of. you shouldn't be arguing with us you should be soaking in all this information that were giving you.
And as i said already if you haste yourself it lowers your recast time down so that spells like refresh haste cure enfebbles OMG EVEN GRAVITY can be recasted sooner. let alone having haste on when converting lowers that timer as well... But you don't -ever- haste so you wouldn't know about that.
Get your story straight then come play with the big dogs. As it stand you can't melee and perform your job to its full potential and i will continue to SATA and now.... TA Danceing Edge any rdm that gets in the way. Get in the back and do your job. if your switching staffs for each spelling and costantly casting you dont have time to swing your 300 delay sword for 10 damage.

 

[Shaidalyn]

I can protect/shell/bar myself, and usually do. They do not HAVE to do that, they would be a hella shitty whm if they didnt but their job is to cure. The fact they can buff/raise/remove status are perks.
If a RdM misses a single refresh, you dont whine and bitch.. you ask ONCE.
I do my job, SOME WHM's do theirs. If you need a raise, someone screwed up.

 

[Passions]

I can protect/shell/bar myself, and usually do. They do not HAVE to do that, they would be a hella shitty whm if they didnt but their job is to cure. The fact they can buff/raise/remove status are perks.
If a RdM misses a single refresh, you dont whine and bitch.. you ask ONCE.
I do my job, SOME WHM's do theirs. If you need a raise, someone screwed up.

OMG >< WTF is wrong with you.
you bitch about shitty tanks and not holding hate but you think its more mp effecient to personally cast protect and shell on everyone? do you barfira barvira your tank so that breath attack from raptors does less damage? no you just sit there and bitch and moan about everyone sucking while you suck on your thumb and chat to ls and make post about wanting to solo more

 

[Passions]

If you need a raise, someone screwed up.

and no someone times people need to die to get the job done. i sacrafice my life all the time and NEVER bitch about it. I get worried sometimes on blm when i near the delevel marker but i get over it.

People die in this game and ill tell you what. whos fuck up is it if that raptor does 4 double attacks in a row plus a tp attack on that ninja? that ninja if its mid batle might not have enough shaddows rdy to handle that many attacks and could very well get whapped by that tp attack at the end. is that someone mess up then? no thats just BAD LUCK shit happens get up and move on.

 

[Rinoah]

I can protect/shell/bar myself, and usually do. They do not HAVE to do that, they would be a hella shitty whm if they didnt but their job is to cure. The fact they can buff/raise/remove status are perks.
If a RdM misses a single refresh, you dont whine and bitch.. you ask ONCE.
I do my job, SOME WHM's do theirs. If you need a raise, someone screwed up.

Wait so you wouldn't cast protect and shell on the tank despite him needing it a hell of alot more than you?

If buffing/raising/removing statuses is a "perk" and not using those "perks" makes them a shitty WHM then what do you think you not using RDM's "perks" makes you?

And stop fucking contradicting yourself "Rdm do enfeeble only", "i never miss a refresh"; you are aware that Refresh is NOT an enfeeble spell right?

 

[Shaidalyn]

which is it? then your contradicting yourself in the following AGAIN

I hate to disagree but...
Paralyze: 6
Slow: 15
Blind: 5
Thats 27 mp.. 9 ticks of refresh.
any other debuffs are a GIFT.. Gravity is situational, Silence, situational, Dispel, situational.
You've been fighting crabs to long to be narrowminded like that. crawlers, dhamles, big birds (dont know names there are some in VoS) antica's ??? yeah that's enough
Seems to me like you think nothing is your job. Then you kept changing your post to fit what were accusing you of. you shouldn't be arguing with us you should be soaking in all this information that were giving you.
And as i said already if you haste yourself it lowers your recast time down so that spells like refresh haste cure enfebbles OMG EVEN GRAVITY can be recasted sooner. let alone having haste on when converting lowers that timer as well... But you don't -ever- haste so you wouldn't know about that.
Get your story straight then come play with the big dogs. As it stand you can't melee and perform your job to its full potential and i will continue to SATA and now.... TA Danceing Edge any rdm that gets in the way. Get in the back and do your job. if your switching staffs for each spelling and costantly casting you dont have time to swing your 300 delay sword for 10 damage.

lol, youre going out of your way on a limb to try and tear at how I play my job, which is damn fine enough.
I told you, shit above was situational based on posts previous. I don't haste, thats what WhM are for. I refresh, but do I HAVE to? No.. would I be in a pt if I didnt want to? No.
have I fought antica/big birds/dhalmel to level? Never. Not once have I EVER killed ANY of this in an exp pt. Will I adapt to how the pts are in the game later? of course.. right now I know my job and I do it perfectly. I refresh mages/pld's... I haste if the whm doesnt, then ask for a new whm.
I'm a RdM, in all honesty I can do whatever I want and still get invites. Red Mages/Bards at my level are one a hundred. Finding a replacement when I gotta go is not possible.. ALWAYS disband when I leave..
so I guess it doesnt matter huh?
regardless, I do my job, I do it well. period.

 

[Shaidalyn]

what youre reading, again, is response. a WHM casts buffs. If the WhM is not buffing/hasting/barring.. I'd warp. Duh.
THINK then TYPE. Not hard.

 

[Shaidalyn]

Wait so you wouldn't cast protect and shell on the tank despite him needing it a hell of alot more than you?

If buffing/raising/removing statuses is a "perk" and not using those "perks" makes them a shitty WHM then what do you think you not using RDM's "perks" makes you?

And stop fucking contradicting yourself "Rdm do enfeeble only", "i never miss a refresh"; you are aware that Refresh is NOT an enfeeble spell right?

I did not say "do enfeeble only" I said thats the only job OF a Rdm, rest is a perk. Your response shows youre a fucking idiot. If I have to buff other people the WhM sucks and would be kicked, or I'd warp. Whoopie fucking do.
Stop being so fucking dense and read.